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SlyTF1 wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:I like the idea, but the execution? Nah. What the ****'s the point of having a female combiner team when they're just repaints of male characters? That bothered me from the start. And now the fact that they're all the same colors, and have the same exact mold for two different characters just doesn't do it for me. I hope they make another female combiner team just so they have the chance to get it... well, better than this. I'm not pissed, just wondering what made them think this was the way to go about it.

Well we knew they were repaints, not sure what everyone was expecting; the design of the legs' transformation made it nigh on impossible to do much augmenting to. And since all of them lay on their chests, some even flip up into cramped areas with the head too, there was much room to change their chests, that the car-bots have different chests is nice. Hotspot wouldn't have any ground clearance if they gave her a new chest, and messing with the thighs might have prohibited the combined mode, so...

I guess I'm wondering what exactly were you or anybody actually expecting?

Their own molds.

Well we knew they were repaints, that was pretty upfront from the vehicle selection slides

Hellscream9999 wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:I like the idea, but the execution? Nah. What the ****'s the point of having a female combiner team when they're just repaints of male characters? That bothered me from the start. And now the fact that they're all the same colors, and have the same exact mold for two different characters just doesn't do it for me. I hope they make another female combiner team just so they have the chance to get it... well, better than this. I'm not pissed, just wondering what made them think this was the way to go about it.

Well we knew they were repaints, not sure what everyone was expecting; the design of the legs' transformation made it nigh on impossible to do much augmenting to. And since all of them lay on their chests, some even flip up into cramped areas with the head too, there was much room to change their chests, that the car-bots have different chests is nice. Hotspot wouldn't have any ground clearance if they gave her a new chest, and messing with the thighs might have prohibited the combined mode, so...

I guess I'm wondering what exactly were you or anybody actually expecting?

Their own molds.

Well we knew they were repaints, that was pretty upfront from the vehicle selection slides

Exactly, the vote on gender was after mould selection. Plus there would of been a budget allocated to this project, completely new moulds would of wrecked it

To add to all the images and news (and repaints) coming out of San Diego Comic Con, the official Transformers Facebook page have posted official stock images, with some promotional flare, of the fan-built combiner Victorion, both in gestalt and individual Torchbearer modes. Check them out mirrored below, and let us know what you think of the 'sleeker' paintjobs of the magic of digital manipulation!

Hellscream9999 wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:I like the idea, but the execution? Nah. What the ****'s the point of having a female combiner team when they're just repaints of male characters? That bothered me from the start. And now the fact that they're all the same colors, and have the same exact mold for two different characters just doesn't do it for me. I hope they make another female combiner team just so they have the chance to get it... well, better than this. I'm not pissed, just wondering what made them think this was the way to go about it.

Well we knew they were repaints, not sure what everyone was expecting; the design of the legs' transformation made it nigh on impossible to do much augmenting to. And since all of them lay on their chests, some even flip up into cramped areas with the head too, there was much room to change their chests, that the car-bots have different chests is nice. Hotspot wouldn't have any ground clearance if they gave her a new chest, and messing with the thighs might have prohibited the combined mode, so...

I guess I'm wondering what exactly were you or anybody actually expecting?

Their own molds.

Well we knew they were repaints, that was pretty upfront from the vehicle selection slides

The fact that they told us early on doesn't make it right. Like I said, it bothered be from the beginning.

This thread is so f**kin hilarious! It really made my day. It turned into total chaos which kept it from turning into a total snoozefest and I love it ! The only thing that could make it better is if we bring back Tsu!

My thoughts on the new combiners...

G2 superion and Menasor: im so buying both of them no matter what the cost !

Computron: Need to see the limb bots to really judge him as a set. Scattershots alt mode is disappointing. It looks like a circumcised concorde. My biggest beef would be that hasbro didnt bother to retool the earth jet tail.

Victorian: I love the colors, but definitely dont like the lazy alpha bravo twins. I like the arms without the missiles and it would be nice if takara gets a chance to utilize the new arms for their version of blades. Probably too late, but you can wish, right ?

Now you're confusing me, what exactly is bothering you? The fact that no new moulds were created when that was never their intent or the fan-built combiner concept (built entirely out of repaints)

SlyTF1 wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:I like the idea, but the execution? Nah. What the ****'s the point of having a female combiner team when they're just repaints of male characters? That bothered me from the start. And now the fact that they're all the same colors, and have the same exact mold for two different characters just doesn't do it for me. I hope they make another female combiner team just so they have the chance to get it... well, better than this. I'm not pissed, just wondering what made them think this was the way to go about it.

Well we knew they were repaints, not sure what everyone was expecting; the design of the legs' transformation made it nigh on impossible to do much augmenting to. And since all of them lay on their chests, some even flip up into cramped areas with the head too, there was much room to change their chests, that the car-bots have different chests is nice. Hotspot wouldn't have any ground clearance if they gave her a new chest, and messing with the thighs might have prohibited the combined mode, so...

I guess I'm wondering what exactly were you or anybody actually expecting?

Their own molds.

Well we knew they were repaints, that was pretty upfront from the vehicle selection slides

The fact that they told us early on doesn't make it right. Like I said, it bothered be from the beginning.

But premeditated designs would have negated the point of a fan made combiner, now if they took those results and gave us victorion 2 years from now, that would be one thing, but they couldn't/wouldn't, so I guess, whatever

Out of all of the components, the voyager one is the only one that appeals to me. Not too big a fan of the color scheme on them, and the combined mode is an acquired taste. I LOVE the sword into smaller pieces split amongst the members.

Well, what a let down. I suppose I'll just go all "Buffalo Bill" on them with a file to certain areas and draw nipples.
Putting the Trans in Transformers!

Ok, I knew Victorion was composed of repaints, and it didn't bother me. I was looking forward to it, but, whoa, those colors are not easy on the eyes. Also the way the individual bots are colored makes me think of a dollar store gift set. I guess this just saved me some more money, as it just doesn't work. Great idea, poor execution

Looking pretty good! Victorion and her weird-named components will be the first female Transformers in my collection.

On Betatron, I'm rather disappointed that (as of yet) the other Technobots aren't there, as they have always been favorites of mine.

And on the G2 repaints, I'll get Superion because he looks pretty cool, but I'll pass on Menasor as I've never been a huge fan of him.

Doesn't look female in those colors need different colors instead of two colors and need female look faces

Heh. I wonder if Victorion's colour map is based on someone at Hasbro saying, Well, we didn't want to do these colours, but it's what you guys chose, some enjoy I guess..."

Rated X wrote:The only thing that could make it better is if we bring back Tsu!

awww come on ... I haven't had any to close any reports about you lately, don't make me have headaches again!

I see a lot of people saying they're going to skip this. I hope that means there'll be plenty on the shelves for me!

dragons wrote:Doesn't look female in those colors need different colors instead of two colors and need female look faces

dragons wrote: need female look faces

dragons wrote: NEED FEMALE LOOK FACES.

Are you kidding me?



Are you seriously suggesting these faces don't look female to you?
















Their slaggin robots their not organic in the slightest what do you want?



This? (All official art by the way let me know if any of these images are too inappropriate and I'll take them down)

Va'al wrote:

That face sculpt on the left bears more than a passing resemblance to Nightbird. Makes one wonder. Too bad Takara has beaten Hasbro to the punch

Wolfman Jake wrote:
That face sculpt on the left bears more than a passing resemblance to Nightbird. Makes one wonder. Too bad Takara has beaten Hasbro to the punch

You say this like it ever stops them from releasing a Nightbird.

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:

dragons wrote:Doesn't look female in those colors need different colors instead of two colors and need female look faces

dragons wrote: need female look faces

dragons wrote: NEED FEMALE LOOK FACES.

Are you kidding me?



Are you seriously suggesting these faces don't look female to you?
















Their slaggin robots their not organic in the slightest what do you want?



This? (All official art by the way let me know if any of these images are too inappropriate and I'll take them down)

Well the Breakdown retool has a face that looks like a blow-up doll if I'm honest. As for the Dead End retool, it barely look recognizable as female- "she" might as well just be a dudebot. The Alpha Bravo sisters are OK, I guess, and Pyra Magna doesn't look too bad. I can't even make out Rust Dust's headsculpt with these puny images.

All this is missing the point though, considering the big problem with the Victorion bots is the fact that their bodies are literally just male 'bots with female heads and crude tits slapped on.

And what's wrong with Hayato Sakamoto's designs? Sure they're somewhat exaggerated, but they're appealing and well-drawn, and hey, there's no mistaking them for dudes.

You know what, I don't care what anyone says. I know people keep harping on Victorion's color scheme being bad and how generation 2 it is, but if that's the case, then G2 Victorion is the best Victorion. It's loud, it's proud, she has ankle tilts. She's clearly one of, if not the best combiner because of that. I like the use of the new feet, and the alpha bravo remolds to make the legs look longer, as the squatty nature of the hotspot/defensor chest had me worried for a bit. And that sword. THAT SWORD. That's **** metal as **** dude, looks like something from a heavy metal magazine.

This monstrosity reminds me why I took an extended break from the collecting hobby not so long ago. I hope very few people trade perfectly good money for this. It only in incourages more crappy repaints.


ah well.

I don't see "females", I see robots.

That being said, individually, not too fussed on them. But combined? I quite like the combined mode.

But as I said in the Combiner thread, I think at this point in time Hasbro are over combiners and just gotten lazy.

Ironhidensh wrote:This monstrosity reminds me why I took an extended break from the collecting hobby not so long ago. I hope very few people trade perfectly good money for this. It only in incourages more crappy repaints.


ah well.

Well too bad people are going to buy it and none of the loud minority on this site is going to change it.




I also plan on buying her as soon as I can (But then again I'm buying all of the Hasbro combiner wars figures when I can)

Adding open hands, painted pouty lips, & pointed chins to new head-molds on male bot-bodies, is not enough to make these "fem-bots" to me. It was an interesting concept, but when no new molds was made part of the deal, I lost interest. This set is really not of any interest but for the revelation of new pivoting feet, aka the much sought after ankle tilt, and the combining sword is genuinely cool.

Barbie-esque physiques are not required, but the female form is supposed to be different than the male. I know that these are robots & not people, but they're being marketed to a mostly male audience, where female action figures are definitely feminine. Why differentiate between genders in a mechanical species when selling toys, unless there is an interest in the distinctions of personality & physicality of each kind?

All females have curves, big or little, and being "warrior women" does not preclude this. Look at female athletes, wrestlers, or even super-heroines (Xena, WonderWoman, WWE Divas, even She-Hulk)- curves abound. This set just doesn't seem female, but something else, something weird. I'm sure some will like it and buy it, but it's appeal will be far from universal; the obnoxious coloration only worsens it. A third or fourth color may have helped a little here. This team deserved better.

It would be a shame to not get other Combiner sets because of Hasbro's limited resources/ product slots being used for this rather than the Terrorcons, Predacons, SeaCons, & Technobots. Victorion is a two-toned curiosity, with a few interesting features (sword, feet) which some will like, but most will pan. And as a history making all-female Transformer team, it is more than a bit lacking, but hooray for being history making?