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My friend Rich @ ReviewTechUSA, [who is literally only a few months in age difference-both of us born in '81], puts well something of serious concern that I have been following.
I agree with Rich, and I'm going to personally get involved in fighting this corrupt decision and effecting change in the US laws. I've sat on my duff for too damn long in regard to this issue.
If you want to know more about where I'm coming from then watch "Patriacracy, [available on Netflix]. It'll open you're eyes, and, make you feel positive about what you can do to effect change in Washington DC. Corporations are not individuals, it's time to stop morganization & similar practices.
I mention my plan because you can also make a difference, don't just accept the upcoming nightmare. Become involved & don't let them...schtup you.
Motto:"May God have mercy on my enemies, because I sure as hell won't."
The FCC Fairness Policy? You mean the Fairness Doctrine? The one the FCC got rid of themselves in '87? What does that have to do with Net Neutrality? I haven't watched the video but from the looks of things, the title and video don't quite match up.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Good thing it wasn't SCOTUS who ruled on this, huh?
Policy, Doctrine, Rules, Laws, the literal word should be understood without difficulty. Still, I do comprehend your confusion Shad', so no worries
The point is, any internet provider, say Verizon or Charter, within the USA, can now block ANYTHING, they wish-no matter how wrong or arbitrary. It does effect the whole world as 90-95% of websites originate within the USA.
Every individual in the world, including the service providers themselves, will be negatively effected by this. When you think about where this'll logical lead.
Streaming sites, or, just information in general can be blocked, at the whim of a greedy corporation. Why? To blackmail &/or censor anyone they don't like & view as a threat.
Here is a passionate friend AlphaOmegaSin, another from my generation. Warning: he cusses like a sailor, but, myself, I do not consider cussing to be cursing, that depends on the context-d***it-haha!
Motto:"May God have mercy on my enemies, because I sure as hell won't."
Tronus_Rex wrote:The point is, any internet provider, say Verizon or Charter, within the USA, can now block ANYTHING, they wish-no matter how wrong or arbitrary.
They can try. All it takes is one of them to refuse to take advantage of this, and the rest have to follow suit or else they'll get their asses kicked.
Tronus_Rex wrote:It does effect the whole world as 90-95% of websites originate within the USA.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Motto:"May God have mercy on my enemies, because I sure as hell won't."
njb902 wrote:From what I understand the FCC could still end up in charge of this. All they have to do is designate Internet access the same way they do roads Ect.
Anyone else find it ironic that we're rooting for the FCC on this one?
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Tronus_Rex wrote:It does effect the whole world as 90-95% of websites originate within the USA.
More like 40%, tops. Probably far less.
I just went to find a more up to date number of this percentage. Outside of China which is number 2, and secluded/an island in the web, & India as a 3rd, from what I'm reading, the US still dominates for internet.
I'm not getting a complete image of what other servers based in Europe, or Russia, the Middle East, ETC. account for, but it appears they are almost inconsequential when compared to the US. At least at the moment. Don't forget that a websites are based in servers. Now if the relation isn't as I seem to be viewing from the web search, [9-1 or 8-1, outside China], please update my figures and knowledge I do like to stay informed. I know back in '07 the Web was 95%+, US based, but that was 7 years ago.
Motto:""Life is all about risks and it requires you to jump. Don't be a person who has to look back and wonder what they would have or could have had. No one lives forever.""
Weapon: Dual Lasers
Tronus_Rex wrote:Here is a passionate friend AlphaOmegaSin, another from my generation. Warning: he cusses like a sailor, but, myself, I do not consider cussing to be cursing, that depends on the context-d***it-haha!
That guy is trippin' balls. I can stand in front of a camera and let loose a load of swear words whilst pontificating the worst case scenario from the doldrums of my imagination too. He looks the type to be walking around with a sandwich board claiming 'The End Is Nigh'.
Loon.
It's safe to assume that I'm just taking the piss.
Tronus_Rex wrote:Here is a passionate friend AlphaOmegaSin, another from my generation. Warning: he cusses like a sailor, but, myself, I do not consider cussing to be cursing, that depends on the context-d***it-haha!
That guy is trippin' balls. I can stand in front of a camera and let loose a load of swear words whilst pontificating the worst case scenario from the doldrums of my imagination too. He looks the type to be walking around with a sandwich board claiming 'The End Is Nigh'.
Loon.
The thing is he isn't, it's the US government's credibility that is damaged, not the angry citizens who're understandably pessimistic. I think you're just put-off by his frustration & vitriol. His anger however, given the blatant corruption is understandable. I've seen/read several other people, (of various backgrounds), who essentially echo A.O.S.'s sentiment/thinking. Given the history of laws related to things like; IP's, corporate entities, lobbying, giving favorable treaties to countries that don't keep their word/international law, (like China), ETC., it validates this feeling.
I've read/heard of the unashamed open plans, by Verizon alone, to use the change in ways which should make anyone-furious! Although A.O.S.'s fatalistic, loud and angry, there's reason to have this outlook. His feelings are no longer "tin foil hat", they're being reported by respectable and trustworthy people. ****!-it's even being talked about on US cable TV.
Don't dismiss his anger, HOWEVER, you do not have to share his fatalism. MANY others who're far less, "passionate", & seemingly level-headed, are just as pessimistic, but I'm hopeful. Google this issue-you'll find countless trustworthy news reports, analysts, and commentators, almost as negative, (many are more so). It's no surprise. Look at how many Americans just parrot, whatever "news"/entertainment channel they watch or listen too. Fear & division, are propaganda tools to control & paralyze. Imagine what'll happen if a provider like Charter can block anything they wish.
I'm no pessimist, but instead an optimist. I believe that this blatant/obvious corruption is clumsy and going to be fully revealed, as a result. (It's depths have yet to be fully illuminated/measured, I assure you). It MUST come to an end.
Even US politicians/lawmakers are tired/frustrated of having their hands tied. Lawmakers are forced to agree on policies and issues, before even negotiating them. They must, just to secure the obscene capital required for election/re-election. Honest people have to agree to support policies they hate.
I do not agree with AOS's pessimism/fatalism, which many feel justified. This is because I know other examples/precedent from history, demonstrating how this situation can change but for the positive. (Even recent history & events). I'm also past the fear which is being spread by EVERYONE, (especially pundits, doom-&-gloom "prophets", & the US "news"). I know why I can be positive, and above the fear that is paralyzing people right now. Anyway, take him seriously-he's no "march hair"-but a disillusioned and angry citizen.
Motto:"May God have mercy on my enemies, because I sure as hell won't."
Tronus_Rex wrote:His feelings are no longer "tin foil hat", they're being reported by respectable and trustworthy people. ****!
Everyone is reporting on the ruling, but all of the actual bad stuff hasn't happened yet. There's a big difference between "reporting" and "making up **** that might happen."
Tronus_Rex wrote:-it's even being talked about on US cable TV.
Because everything on TV is infallibly true. In the history of television, no broadcast has ever contained lies or exaggerations of any kind.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Tronus_Rex wrote:His feelings are no longer "tin foil hat", they're being reported by respectable and trustworthy people. ****!
Everyone is reporting on the ruling, but all of the actual bad stuff hasn't happened yet. There's a big difference between "reporting" and "making up **** that might happen."
Tronus_Rex wrote:-it's even being talked about on US cable TV.
Because everything on TV is infallibly true. In the history of television, no broadcast has ever contained lies or exaggerations of any kind.
I'm still saying the government will nationalize Internet access. It will be treated like telephones, roads, and OTA TV.
Motto:"May God have mercy on my enemies, because I sure as hell won't."
njb902 wrote:
Shadowman wrote:
Tronus_Rex wrote:His feelings are no longer "tin foil hat", they're being reported by respectable and trustworthy people. ****!
Everyone is reporting on the ruling, but all of the actual bad stuff hasn't happened yet. There's a big difference between "reporting" and "making up **** that might happen."
Tronus_Rex wrote:-it's even being talked about on US cable TV.
Because everything on TV is infallibly true. In the history of television, no broadcast has ever contained lies or exaggerations of any kind.
I'm still saying the government will nationalize Internet access. It will be treated like telephones, roads, and OTA TV.
This entire thread is based on the news of the government trying and failing to do this.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Tronus_Rex wrote:His feelings are no longer "tin foil hat", they're being reported by respectable and trustworthy people. ****!
Everyone is reporting on the ruling, but all of the actual bad stuff hasn't happened yet. There's a big difference between "reporting" and "making up **** that might happen."
Tronus_Rex wrote:-it's even being talked about on US cable TV.
Because everything on TV is infallibly true. In the history of television, no broadcast has ever contained lies or exaggerations of any kind.
I'm still saying the government will nationalize Internet access. It will be treated like telephones, roads, and OTA TV.
This entire thread is based on the news of the government trying and failing to do this.
The FCC failed from the way they did it, not that they can't do it. You should read up on the ICC's and FCC's actual powers.
Tronus_Rex wrote:His feelings are no longer "tin foil hat", they're being reported by respectable and trustworthy people. ****!
Everyone is reporting on the ruling, but all of the actual bad stuff hasn't happened yet. There's a big difference between "reporting" and "making up **** that might happen."
"Making up ****?" Really Shad'? I'm sorry but the blatant attempt to control the internet and give it to companies like Viacon, Verizon, Movie Studios, Record Labels, ETC., HAS been an issue. IP laws ARE an issue too in the digital age. It's all tied together. The digital age is threatening the giants. Telecom, Charter, Warner, various game publishers, they want to fight dirty and screw anyone else, or at least not consider/regard the consumer. Look at what they tried with SOPA/PIPA, (as well as the other 2 attempts)?
REGULATION is good/necessary-the State must do it's job or we end up as we, in the West, did by the end of the 19th century. That was the a moment when the "2%" literally controlled 99.98% of the wealth. People earned only enough to almost purchase bread, and even farmers were always indebted/enslaved too.
The problem is the internet & also the IP laws ARE flawed, BUT, if they are updated/corrected then the giants would lose a stranglehold. Right now current copyright laws, favor the big companies. Neutrality online, however, favors common people and small companies. Here is another report.
When you pay attention to these reports, the analysis/warning is that any provider can charge, example: 100 Million Dollar fees to Netflix, (add Google, Hulu, and anyone), and who will have to pay for that in the end? WE will pay for it. When multiple providers do this, the cost multiplies.
This threatens small companies like mine. (I'm not poor but I'm no giant). This threatens small businesses that need their own precious IP's, (that isn't just video and music), to be protected. The biggest IP thieves/pirates ARE the corporate giants. They always have been. The court is their favorite weapon to crush and steal from smaller companies. I can name countless cases, from just the 20th century, where big companies essentially stole/killed smaller companies through US courts.
This all has to do with US laws in regard to the digital age. Net Neutrality IS the best for everyone. It effects the world too considering how much of the Web is still based in the US. IP laws are related to this issue, it's why I'm bringing it up.
The sugar in this poison they're trying to feed us is that, "they can pay to improve service", yeah, like a mobster charging for insurance & protection, or else.
"Major change unlikely despite open-Internet ruling" by twincities.com
Analysts are not wrong to warn us on what might happen as it will VERY likely happen. This is based on historical precedent, knowing how the law works, and seeing the plans/reasoning of the greedy giants.
I may be positive, but it's not because I'm stupid. My awareness, education, and wisdom allow me to rise above both fear and apathy.
[I can provide 10 easy sources, (I could provide hundreds) of CREDIBLE info on such topics as government credibility, corporate greed, history/precedence, and troubles/issues/flaws with US law, and what you'll learn is how to distinguish between "tin foil hat", (and yes there are still delusional people out there) and what is legit/real/valid.]
If you read the actual ruling the judge specifically left open for the FCC to claim the Internet as a "common carrier", which would grant equal access for all.
njb902 wrote:If you read the actual ruling the judge specifically left open for the FCC to claim the Internet as a "common carrier", which would grant equal access for all.
I also addressed the "Common Carrier" thing. Now, explain to me how a company cannot slow down, or block anyone they wish? Competition alone does not guarantee. Especially when some areas have only one carrier? How does competition help when there are monopolies-IE no choices to go to? Anyway, don't miss this other point I just provided either.
Did I say Rupert Murdoch? No, I'm not talking about Murdoch. He founded Fox News but he's no longer in charge. Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, however is. Talal owns a media conglomerate that controls Fox News.
The "go fact yourself" is meant to be a little mean but not a full F you. It's a wordplay meant to grab your attention. Don't take it as a full...er, rude, comment.
Just so you know, "fact yourself" is used by many people in a positive way, but is also used like I just did-haha! Don't take it the wrong way.
Remember also, I'm trying to be positive, but hearing dismissals of "crazy", or "made-up/BS" incenses me. It smacks of apathy, and a few other things. My ability to care, doesn't come from fear nor delusion, but because I'm aware. An educated consumer is what I am, at the very least.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Fox News is owned by 21st century fox. The Prince you are referring too is the 3rd largest voting stockholder, Rupert Murdoch being the largest.
Edit: Btw Shadowman Murdoch is a US citizen now(I know he was born in Australia) , and news Corp moved it's headquarters to NYC a few years ago. I didn't know that myself till I dug a little today.
Also did you guys know that a company can't own a TV station in the US if more than 25% of the company is foreign owned.
Motto:""Life is all about risks and it requires you to jump. Don't be a person who has to look back and wonder what they would have or could have had. No one lives forever.""
Weapon: Dual Lasers
Tronus_Rex wrote:
Rupert Murdoch is a Saudi prince?
Did I say Rupert Murdoch? No, I'm not talking about Murdoch. He founded Fox News but he's no longer in charge. Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, however is. Talal owns a media conglomerate that controls Fox News.
The "go fact yourself" is meant to be a little mean but not a full F you. It's a wordplay meant to grab your attention. Don't take it as a full...er, rude, comment.
Just so you know, "fact yourself" is used by many people in a positive way, but is also used like I just did-haha! Don't take it the wrong way.
Remember also, I'm trying to be positive, but hearing dismissals of "crazy", or "made-up/BS" incenses me. It smacks of apathy, and a few other things. My ability to care, doesn't come from fear nor delusion, but because I'm aware. An educated consumer is what I am, at the very least.
Sorry but you're a complete loon.
The best part is that you post from a deluded 'enlightened' perspective that is entirely presumptious. You think that everybody else must be ignorant or stupid for not giving a flying yellow monkey **** about what you're jabbering on about, when in reality I just don't care because not one part of what you and your conspiracy theorist buddies are claiming will take place.
You're barking up the wrong tree. Take to the streets.
It's safe to assume that I'm just taking the piss.
Motto:"May God have mercy on my enemies, because I sure as hell won't."
Blast Cannon wrote:
Tronus_Rex wrote:
Rupert Murdoch is a Saudi prince?
Did I say Rupert Murdoch? No, I'm not talking about Murdoch. He founded Fox News but he's no longer in charge. Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, however is. Talal owns a media conglomerate that controls Fox News.
The "go fact yourself" is meant to be a little mean but not a full F you. It's a wordplay meant to grab your attention. Don't take it as a full...er, rude, comment.
Just so you know, "fact yourself" is used by many people in a positive way, but is also used like I just did-haha! Don't take it the wrong way.
Remember also, I'm trying to be positive, but hearing dismissals of "crazy", or "made-up/BS" incenses me. It smacks of apathy, and a few other things. My ability to care, doesn't come from fear nor delusion, but because I'm aware. An educated consumer is what I am, at the very least.
Sorry but you're a complete loon.
The best part is that you post from a deluded 'enlightened' perspective that is entirely presumptious. You think that everybody else must be ignorant or stupid for not giving a flying yellow monkey **** about what you're jabbering on about, when in reality I just don't care because not one part of what you and your conspiracy theorist buddies are claiming will take place.
You're barking up the wrong tree. Take to the streets.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
njb902 wrote:Fox News is owned by 21st century fox. The Prince you are referring too is the 3rd largest voting stockholder, Rupert Murdoch being the largest.
Edit: Btw Shadowman Murdoch is a US citizen now(I know he was born in Australia) , and news Corp moved it's headquarters to NYC a few years ago. I didn't know that myself till I dug a little today.
Also did you guys know that a company can't own a TV station in the US if more than 25% of the company is foreign owned.
Did you see the dual influence Talal had? It's not just simple stockholder control. As of now he owns 7%-8% of the company, but that's not his only influence.
The others, please, let us reason, stop crying "crazy" or "enlightened"/"full of himeslf", calm down, and read this.
To summarize, (as it appears that more than one of you are not bothering to read my citations), Murdoch will not act due to Rotana. They also are under pressure from this Prince. Now, please read this too.
There is more to this than just the Saudi Prince. I've said for people interested in this to just take an hour and a half of there time to watch "Patriacracy", and I stand by this.
As for the "fair and balanced" joke, I agree and feel the same. Have I not said such companies are using fear in order to both entertain and influence? Besides Fox News, to also ignore ABC, CNN, CNBC, CBS, BBC, Forbes, Huntington, and the MANY others, (some I've cited here)? What are you basing your "making **** up" comments on? How am I a "loon" when I am citing so many other credible sources who're warning of this danger, in regard to net neutrality being pushed aside? Explain to me how I'm disillusion, and please use citation and not your own emotional BS and clouded judgement.
Seriously, explain how these internet providers will be nice, and not use it as a kind of protection racket? Give me citation for the motivation to be responsible?
If your thinking that pure unregulated competition is good, which is part of the "reasoning"/spin for the ruling, look up "Morganization".
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