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MINDVVIPE wrote:Autobot032 wrote:Skyline was awful. Avatar was awful (minus the visuals.) I wouldn't recommend either one.
May I ask what you thought was so bad about Avatar, and what about DOTM made it better than Avatar? If that is what you think. Feel free to turn that question back on me.
Capt.Failure wrote:MINDVVIPE wrote:Autobot032 wrote:Skyline was awful. Avatar was awful (minus the visuals.) I wouldn't recommend either one.
May I ask what you thought was so bad about Avatar, and what about DOTM made it better than Avatar? If that is what you think. Feel free to turn that question back on me.
I would ask you first why it's a bad thing that Transformers as a series makes money. Should Hasbro make free figures and movies out of the goodness of their heart? You speak like G1 wasn't a 30 minute toy commercial...which it was.
To answer your question: Avatar was a pretty shameless special effects tech demo wrapped around a story meant to evoke emotion through white guilt over Native Americans and recent events in the Middle East. I find it rather tasteless and pointless, to be honest. The Transformers film series, by contrast, proved to be entertaining despite it's faults. And that's all I ask for.
MINDVVIPE wrote:I never said that it was a bad thing for Hasbro to make money. I just said that it's a bad thing when the movie is nothing more than being about how much money they can make from showing off the most fancy visuals, and leaving out story (which should be in every movie, or it shouldn't be made into a movie). Take Crank for example: Its a pure action movie, and yet it has a story. The audience is wondering if he will survive at the end, and get vengeance. Not much, but enough to have you attached to the character.
Capt.Failure wrote:MINDVVIPE wrote:I never said that it was a bad thing for Hasbro to make money. I just said that it's a bad thing when the movie is nothing more than being about how much money they can make from showing off the most fancy visuals, and leaving out story (which should be in every movie, or it shouldn't be made into a movie). Take Crank for example: Its a pure action movie, and yet it has a story. The audience is wondering if he will survive at the end, and get vengeance. Not much, but enough to have you attached to the character.
But it's not only about making money, and it did have a story. Just because you choose not to see that doesn't mean it didn't.
MINDVVIPE wrote: leaving out story (which should be in every movie, or it shouldn't be made into a movie).
RogueDeathangel wrote:MINDVVIPE wrote: leaving out story (which should be in every movie, or it shouldn't be made into a movie).
I actually take umbridge with this statement.
I think most people are sort-of... conditioned into believing that a film HAS to have a story for it to be any good but that just simply isn't true. As a medium cinema can be anything committed to screen. You don't need emotional connection to what you see on screen. You don't even need plot or action or development of any kind. This side of cinema is usually only explored in "arthouse" films (another term I hate) but there is absolutely no reason that those same principles cannot be applied to any other "genre" of film. (I also hate the word genre, but it's just easier to use it than to have to explain any of the alternatives.)
No-one complains when an Opera or piece of painted artwork is about the sheer spectacle of it or when ballet is about the poetry of motion so why not apply those same rules to action movies? I'm not saying that every movie should do that I'm just saying that you can't consider a film to be somehow deficient just because it doesn't fit the conventions that are established by its peers.
I'm also aware that Bay et al. are absolutely NOT intending the film to be taken this way, however that's an argument of authorial intent vs. reader analysis. Which, y'know, is an argument that's been raging for as long as there have been authors.![]()
Obviously, just my opinion. (If the internet was a perfect place I probably wouldn't have to remind people of that)
Burn wrote:**** interpretations, I just go to the movies to be entertained and take a short break from reality.
But hey, that's just me ... good ol poorly-educated-has-no-class Burn.
Burn wrote:**** interpretations, I just go to the movies to be entertained and take a short break from reality.
But hey, that's just me ... good ol poorly-educated-has-no-class Burn.
ROTFarcee wrote:Ok.
Burn wrote:**** interpretations, I just go to the movies to be entertained and take a short break from reality.
But hey, that's just me ... good ol poorly-educated-has-no-class Burn.
MINDVVIPE wrote:ROTFarcee wrote:Ok.
I've seen all of them. I'm saying it doesn't have story as an exageration of how bad the story is, how badly it is told, and ultimately how nonsensical it is within it's own context.
ROTFarcee wrote:MINDVVIPE wrote:ROTFarcee wrote:Ok.
I've seen all of them. I'm saying it doesn't have story as an exageration of how bad the story is, how badly it is told, and ultimately how nonsensical it is within it's own context.
By those terms, basically every movie 'has no story.' And the original transformers movie from the eighties didn't have much more of a story anyways. pretty much the same thing. robots fighting to save the earth, giant evil robots, death, resurrection.
MINDVVIPE wrote:For those of you bringing up points like the weed brownies, those reasons really pale in comparison to the glaring plot holes that are integral to the entire story of the movie, aside from the lack of focus on the Transformers themselves.
SlyTF1 wrote:[quote="MINDVVIPE]
For those of you bringing up points like the weed brownies, those reasons really pale in comparison to the glaring plot holes that are integral to the entire story of the movie, aside from the lack of focus on the Transformers themselves.[/quote]
Yes. Glaring plot holes like the mysterious absence of the twins in DOTM.[/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote]
Rodimus Prime wrote:So I started watching Skyline yesterday. Made it to 15 minutes and 24 seconds. F**king horrible.
SlyTF1 wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:So I started watching Skyline yesterday. Made it to 15 minutes and 24 seconds. F**king horrible.
I only saw the ending. I loved it.
MINDVVIPE wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:So I started watching Skyline yesterday. Made it to 15 minutes and 24 seconds. F**king horrible.
I only saw the ending. I loved it.
My bro who has seen it said he liked the way it began, but really disliked it halfway through to the end. Sounds like a wierd movie.
SlyTF1 wrote:MINDVVIPE wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:So I started watching Skyline yesterday. Made it to 15 minutes and 24 seconds. F**king horrible.
I only saw the ending. I loved it.
My bro who has seen it said he liked the way it began, but really disliked it halfway through to the end. Sounds like a wierd movie.
They REALLY set it up for a sequel in the end. I liked it because all the main humans died and they aliens where eating people's brains! Then the only surviving main character turns into one of them! I think that if there's a sequel, he'll turn against the others. Really, there's no other way.
MINDVVIPE wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:MINDVVIPE wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:So I started watching Skyline yesterday. Made it to 15 minutes and 24 seconds. F**king horrible.
I only saw the ending. I loved it.
My bro who has seen it said he liked the way it began, but really disliked it halfway through to the end. Sounds like a wierd movie.
They REALLY set it up for a sequel in the end. I liked it because all the main humans died and they aliens where eating people's brains! Then the only surviving main character turns into one of them! I think that if there's a sequel, he'll turn against the others. Really, there's no other way.
Sounds like a good premise for a game, actually. Getting to play as a half alien guy using alien tech to kill aliens... kinda like how District 9 should have a game, hehe.
Burn wrote:District 9 is a **** awesome movie.
And i've said it before and i'll say it again. Gabriel. I dare you people to watch it.
SlyTF1 wrote:Play Resistance Fall of Man. That's precisely what that game is.
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