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Combiners are cool beyond all reason. That being said, I'm kind of done w/Devastator. He got the glory in the first animated movie. I was a fan of how Dreamwave portrayed Menasor in the War & Peace cycle, so I'm thinking along those lines.

As a few others have mentioned, we know our core 12 all pretty well, and we don't want them messed with. In someways it's smarter for the writers to dig into the mythos to find obscure characters that no one cares about so no one can complain if they do something drastic. And honestly Blackout and Barricade worked out brilliantly for them.

As for an obscure combiner, the DW MTMTE of Monstructor made him sound like a character I would want in a movie, especially if they're trying to tap a darker vein.

As for G1 stuff, meh. I think they should take Transformers to the people. If they need non-G1 stuff to do it, let them run wild. The Galaxy Force story is quite solid and coherent from what I've seen so far.

FuriousRodimus wrote:Combiners are cool beyond all reason. That being said, I'm kind of done w/Devastator. He got the glory in the first animated movie. I was a fan of how Dreamwave portrayed Menasor in the War & Peace cycle, so I'm thinking along those lines.

As a few others have mentioned, we know our core 12 all pretty well, and we don't want them messed with. In someways it's smarter for the writers to dig into the mythos to find obscure characters that no one cares about so no one can complain if they do something drastic. And honestly Blackout and Barricade worked out brilliantly for them.

As for an obscure combiner, the DW MTMTE of Monstructor made him sound like a character I would want in a movie, especially if they're trying to tap a darker vein.

As for G1 stuff, meh. I think they should take Transformers to the people. If they need non-G1 stuff to do it, let them run wild. The Galaxy Force story is quite solid and coherent from what I've seen so far.

Too true about Blackout and Barricade working out very well. They ended up being some of the biggest fan favorites. Based on what I've heard about Barricade, he was a big gamble because he was meant to be Prowl early in the script writing process until everyone decided they liked the idea of a police car being a villan. He worked out really well and it was totally awesome to see a Mustang and a Camero battle it out on the screen, in a way that no Chevy or Ford fan could have imagined. Also, by making the police car Barricade instead of Prowl helped tip the scale of Decepticons to Autobots ratio in a more symapthetic but favorable way for the good guys.

I'll agree, to a certain extent that the movie shares more in it's roots with G1 than any other series but I definitely wouldn't say it was based on G1. There was a lot that was introduced to this version of the Transformer Universe that was never seen in any of the other series and so I feel it really stands on it's own.

Swerve wrote:

FuriousRodimus wrote:Combiners are cool beyond all reason. That being said, I'm kind of done w/Devastator. He got the glory in the first animated movie. I was a fan of how Dreamwave portrayed Menasor in the War & Peace cycle, so I'm thinking along those lines.

As a few others have mentioned, we know our core 12 all pretty well, and we don't want them messed with. In someways it's smarter for the writers to dig into the mythos to find obscure characters that no one cares about so no one can complain if they do something drastic. And honestly Blackout and Barricade worked out brilliantly for them.

As for an obscure combiner, the DW MTMTE of Monstructor made him sound like a character I would want in a movie, especially if they're trying to tap a darker vein.

As for G1 stuff, meh. I think they should take Transformers to the people. If they need non-G1 stuff to do it, let them run wild. The Galaxy Force story is quite solid and coherent from what I've seen so far.

Too true about Blackout and Barricade working out very well. They ended up being some of the biggest fan favorites. Based on what I've heard about Barricade, he was a big gamble because he was meant to be Prowl early in the script writing process until everyone decided they liked the idea of a police car being a villan. He worked out really well and it was totally awesome to see a Mustang and a Camero battle it out on the screen, in a way that no Chevy or Ford fan could have imagined. Also, by making the police car Barricade instead of Prowl helped tip the scale of Decepticons to Autobots ratio in a more symapthetic but favorable way for the good guys.

I'll agree, to a certain extent that the movie shares more in it's roots with G1 than any other series but I definitely wouldn't say it was based on G1. There was a lot that was introduced to this version of the Transformer Universe that was never seen in any of the other series and so I feel it really stands on it's own.

I was so pleased to find that it did stand on it's own, that it didn't necessarily NEED to re-do G1 for it be as good as it was. I've said this in a few other threads, but I actually liked Bumblebee in this movie, which is a first.And Barricade was so cool when he was going run over Sam in the parkade, or during his 'interrogation.' This movie is almost to G1 what Metallica/Megadeth are to Iron Maiden/Motorhead. Related, but completely awesome in their own right.

I think it was Burn who said this earlier (correct me if I'm wrong) that Blackout and Barricade weren't from G1. I was flippin' though my MTMTE stuff, and they are in there...as Micromasters. Just throwing that out there, purely as info.

Astrotrain87 wrote:

Dark Zarak wrote:

Astrotrain87 wrote:Astrotrain is the best T-changer to use because his alts are the same scale.

Wait a minute. Are you saying a steam locomotive and a space shuttle are the same size?

Stop stalking my post on every tread and no I said Astrotrain's alt modes
are to scale with each other just like it said where you quoted me.

Uh. A space shuttle is like 8 times the size of a steam train..... So how is that to scale?

Deadpool. wrote:

Astrotrain87 wrote:

Dark Zarak wrote:

Astrotrain87 wrote:Astrotrain is the best T-changer to use because his alts are the same scale.

Wait a minute. Are you saying a steam locomotive and a space shuttle are the same size?

Stop stalking my post on every tread and no I said Astrotrain's alt modes
are to scale with each other just like it said where you quoted me.

Uh. A space shuttle is like 8 times the size of a steam train..... So how is that to scale?

You've obviously never rented a shuttle from Budget Spacecraft.

Astrotrain87 wrote:Stop stalking my post on every tread

Oh great, that's a new one. Now I'm "stalking your posts" because I responded negatively here.

Astrotrain87 wrote:and no I said Astrotrain's alt modes
are to scale with each other just like it said where you quoted me.

How are they to scale with each other? One is certainly much larger than the other, so therefore, if they are to scale, then wouldn't that mean a pencil is to scale with a missle? Or a rock is to scale with a mountain? Or an Astrotrain figure is to scale with the real robot if he existed?

Do you mean the steam locomotive has the exact same proportions as the space shuttle? Because I don't think so.

Remember the no mass shifting thing? Aside from the cube which wasn't a TF, and the ocassional CG cheat, the characters didn't actually scale when they transformed, so that means they probably won't use Astrotrain.

Dark Zarak wrote:

Astrotrain87 wrote:Stop stalking my post on every tread

Oh great, that's a new one. Now I'm "stalking your posts" because I responded negatively here.

Astrotrain87 wrote:and no I said Astrotrain's alt modes
are to scale with each other just like it said where you quoted me.

How are they to scale with each other? One is certainly much larger than the other, so therefore, if they are to scale, then wouldn't that mean a pencil is to scale with a missle? Or a rock is to scale with a mountain? Or an Astrotrain figure is to scale with the real robot if he existed?

Do you mean the steam locomotive has the exact same proportions as the space shuttle? Because I don't think so.

Remember the no mass shifting thing? Aside from the cube which wasn't a TF, and the ocassional CG cheat, the characters didn't actually scale when they transformed, so that means they probably won't use Astrotrain.

unless they keep him in one mode or another. If you ask me, a TF that is just a shuttle would still qualify for the name astrotrain as it is a vessel meant to transport stuff, only in the air instead of on the ground. The only problem then is he'd loose his triple-changer status.

I wouldn't mind if he wasn't a triple-changer. Didn't the recent Astrotrain exclusive (the Jetfire retool) lose his triple-changer status?

Leonardo wrote:I wouldn't mind if he wasn't a triple-changer. Didn't the recent Astrotrain exclusive (the Jetfire retool) lose his triple-changer status?

Yeah, they justified it with the reasoning that he "transported things across space"

Made sense ... but was still a mockery of the character.

Swerve wrote:

Mattamus Prime wrote:I'm not sure I'm capable of believing that they can pull off the Dinobots though.

I don't think you'll see all the Dinobots, but I can see them doing at least one. Grimlock is a big fan favorite. He's kind of dumb so I could see him scanning a T-Rex like an animatronic one at an amusement park or maybe he sees one at some place like La Brea.

Actually, very early in the animated series, in the early Marvel comics, and even more recently he was portrayed as quite intelligent. It was just his manner of speech and his own arrogance that made him seem stupid.

I'd like to see Grimlock (and the rest of the Dinobots) depicted as less comic releif and more as sort of the Autobot's version of a special ops team. That's if they make it.

Burn wrote:

Leonardo wrote:I wouldn't mind if he wasn't a triple-changer. Didn't the recent Astrotrain exclusive (the Jetfire retool) lose his triple-changer status?

Yeah, they justified it with the reasoning that he "transported things across space"

Made sense ... but was still a mockery of the character.

I'm thinking Timelines Astrotrain may have 'upgraded' his way out of an unused train alt or it may be a different character...

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As for Dinobots....
1. I'm not opposed to them being dino alted or going from tank to mecha rex with Grimlock if it's done right.

2. I'ld prefer them not being the comic relief, though Grimlock can say "me bad@$$" and even speak some broken english.

3. As for head count, i think it would be best if the whole roster wasn't featured. Maybe only 3, Swoop is a definit, and Slag or Snarl could be incorperated in for Bay purposes. Slugde seems to be the wallflower of the group.

4. The two missing Mechs could be a driving force for Grimlock. They could just be missing or actually be permanently decomissioned for story purposses and character developement.
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Since this thread is about Devastator. I think less is more. As little as 4 constructicons could merg into "Ruination", as Devasator has been used, and they salvage the combat protocals of Bonecrusher or Devastator and keep the name.

Size shouldn't be an issue if they are useing to scale earth mover vehicles. Mixmaster is, at worst, literaly G1 Prime with a cement mixer canon; if they are the big escavation class then they all could be too big for the roads. ie all bigger than Bay Prime. Still Bay may have used th other names to grant license to make his own.

So hear are a possible six.

1. A precision lifting crane (HightTower w/ mostly Hook's personality)
2. A Bay steamroller (Flatline warrior perhaps)
3. LongHaul the dump truck warrior
4. Mixmaster the cement truck chemist
5. Scrapper the treaded shoveler shot calling tactician and formech
6. Scavanger the digging crane with low self worth.

I'ld prefer to see Bay focus on 4 of these listed and IMHO think Scavanger shouldn't be among the them, but that's just my thoughts.

Dark Zarak wrote:

Astrotrain87 wrote:Stop stalking my post on every tread

Oh great, that's a new one. Now I'm "stalking your posts" because I responded negatively here.

Astrotrain87 wrote:and no I said Astrotrain's alt modes
are to scale with each other just like it said where you quoted me.

How are they to scale with each other? One is certainly much larger than the other, so therefore, if they are to scale, then wouldn't that mean a pencil is to scale with a missle? Or a rock is to scale with a mountain? Or an Astrotrain figure is to scale with the real robot if he existed?

Do you mean the steam locomotive has the exact same proportions as the space shuttle? Because I don't think so.

Remember the no mass shifting thing? Aside from the cube which wasn't a TF, and the ocassional CG cheat, the characters didn't actually scale when they transformed, so that means they probably won't use Astrotrain.

To scale and same size are are not the same thing.
If I have a model of a tank and a model of a rocket that are both 1.28 scale then that means their the same scale.

Try to resist the urge to flame me AGAIN.I don't come to this forum to read some smart assed remarks from someone whos on a devestator jihad.I'm sure you have better things to do then go on an internet war.

Astrotrain87 wrote:To scale and same size are are not the same thing.
If I have a model of a tank and a model of a rocket that are both 1.28 scale then that means their the same scale.

Yeah but then you come back to the problem of mass shifting which there's not suppose to be in the movie mythology.

Burn wrote:

Astrotrain87 wrote:To scale and same size are are not the same thing.
If I have a model of a tank and a model of a rocket that are both 1.28 scale then that means their the same scale.

Yeah but then you come back to the problem of mass shifting which there's not suppose to be in the movie mythology.

I know.But I'm sure they could pull it off using a train the same size (more or less) as the fuselage of a shuttle.It can't be that hard to use with out mass shifting,unless they tried to use him as a transport.He could lose his transport ability and just be another 'con.Or they could have him keeping his Cybertronian froms.

Astrotrain could still be a shuttle and a train if the train was an engine and as many cars as he needed to help disguise himself. Honestly I think that any Transformer could be a triple changer or multichanger in the movie univers, they just need to scan whatever it is that they want to transform into.

It's just a theory, but the best I can tell with the movie is that all protoforms look identical or very similar at the least except for height and weight. A proto must then find and object that they can disguise into based on possible dimensions. Prime has a tall proto so he needs to scan something bigger than an average car. Jazz and Bumblebee are smaller so an average sized car will work for them as a disguise. This theory could potentially support the no mass shifting arguments.

Swerve wrote:Astrotrain could still be a shuttle and a train if the train was an engine and as many cars as he needed to help disguise himself. Honestly I think that any Transformer could be a triple changer or multichanger in the movie univers, they just need to scan whatever it is that they want to transform into.

It's just a theory, but the best I can tell with the movie is that all protoforms look identical or very similar at the least except for height and weight. A proto must then find and object that they can disguise into based on possible dimensions. Prime has a tall proto so he needs to scan something bigger than an average car. Jazz and Bumblebee are smaller so an average sized car will work for them as a disguise. This theory could potentially support the no mass shifting arguments.

Perhaps, I'm still thinking it would be hard to Bayify this without the mass shifting.

So... are ther any thoughts on Devastator fot TF2, or has this thread derailed faster than astrotrain can switch altmodes?


Astrotrain87 i'm a little, maybe alot, confused with what you said... see PM

Astrotrain87 wrote:

Burn wrote:

Astrotrain87 wrote:To scale and same size are are not the same thing.
If I have a model of a tank and a model of a rocket that are both 1.28 scale then that means their the same scale.

Yeah but then you come back to the problem of mass shifting which there's not suppose to be in the movie mythology.

I know.But I'm sure they could pull it off using a train the same size (more or less) as the fuselage of a shuttle.It can't be that hard to use with out mass shifting,unless they tried to use him as a transport.He could lose his transport ability and just be another 'con.Or they could have him keeping his Cybertronian froms.

It's too much trouble. I don't see them doing that. He's not that exciting of a character really.


How am I flaming you? Because I disagreed with you? Because I did a ? I don't appreciate being accused of stalking all your posts, which is retarded. I only look at a few topics in here. It's not my fault if you're in each of them.

Maybe I am on a Devastator jihad, since it literally blows my mind that people wouldn't want him. I won't go into details again, except to say that I must have seen a different movie than some because Devastator would bring exactly the right kind of action to Michael Bay's style.

Astrotrain, on the other hand, is pretty dull save for his cool voice, which I don't see them using since none of the other TF's had similar voice except Prime.

It seems to me that you only want him because he's your favorite character. My favorite character, Scorponok was in the movie, and not only did they do him all wrong but I didn't even think his G1 version belonged in the movie anyway. I wasn't pushing for him or Fort Max, my other favorite.

I just see it as a common fan mistake to want your favorite character, not realizing that they'll screw him up even if they do put him in.

As for your suggestion of a whole train with the equivalent mass of a shuttle (I think that's what you meant), it would work, and would even be pretty cool, but I just don't see it happening.

we all have our favorites.I think that if Bay finds out about Ultra Magnus and then Hot Rod,He'll fall in love with the concept of Prime dieing and Hot Hod assuming command.
(I was surprised when Prime Didn't die in TF1)As for devastator
If he gets in the way of seeing other 'cons due to CGI costs
then I'm sworn against him.Also non TF junkies won't understand why there are 2 devastators.(The DVD didn't fix this)

Astrotrain87 wrote:Also non TF junkies won't understand why there are 2 devastators.(The DVD didn't fix this)

Take a step back and look at it as a non-fan, are you really going to remember what a sub-title said in the first movie?

Astrotrain87 wrote:we all have our favorites.I think that if Bay finds out about Ultra Magnus and then Hot Rod,He'll fall in love with the concept of Prime dieing and Hot Hod assuming command.
(I was surprised when Prime Didn't die in TF1)As for devastator
If he gets in the way of seeing other 'cons due to CGI costs
then I'm sworn against him.Also non TF junkies won't understand why there are 2 devastators.(The DVD didn't fix this)

Prime dying is a bad idea. It was a bad idea the first time they did it and if Hasbro had any idea what kind of backlash it was going to create when the 1986 movie was released, they never would have done it.

Originally Prime was supposed to die in the Transformers movie and Hawk was supposed to die in the GI Joe movie. Unfortunately the 1986 Transformers was released before the GI Joe movie. After they received all the hate mail and complaints, they changed Hawk's fate in the Joe movie so that he survives. Hasbro must have realized it was such a horrible mistake to kill off Prime because they ended up bringing him back from the dead.

I was never a big fan of Hot Rod, he was kind of a cornball reluctant hero. I'd hate to have to suffer through Prime's fate and Hot Rod's leadership in yet another Transformers universe. I'm not saying don't include Hot Rod, that wouldn't be fair to Hot Rod fans, I just don't want to see him as leader. Now that Jazz is gone Hot Rod or Ultra Magnus could take his spot as second in command.

Dark Zarak wrote:It's too much trouble. I don't see them doing that. He's not that exciting of a character really.

but construction vehicles that merge in to one are easy to do.Asrtotrain is lame but the gestalt that can be undone by rumble and frenzy's pile drivers is super bad ass?I remember seeing Devastator being taken down by Burticus.If the decepticons were able to build a space ship on their own(one that looked on par with the nemesis,the best decepticon ship in their fleet) with out the consuctions what makes them so special?I know I'm not the only person who would rather see 'cons like Shockwave,Blitzwing,Motormaster,cassetteicons the seekers or see how they can revamp some of the old names (Who remembers barricade or blackout Before the movie?)Then pay 9 to 11 USD to see 6 'cons that all look the same and have similar/same traits,colors from each other

double post

I didn't read all of the posts, but Devastator (and the Constructicons) are the robots I'm most wanting to see in the next movie.
In fact, I almost don't care who else they add as long as he/they are in it.

I'd definitely like to see the Dinobots too...
But for me, Devastator is a must.

Astrotrain87 wrote:Also non TF junkies won't understand why there are 2 devastators.(The DVD didn't fix this)

Did you read my TF2 character rant thread? Please do.

Among other things, I make the statement that they don't have to merge into Devastator. They just combine into some kind of general robot. Or how about the idea that it's one character that transforms into several different construction vehicles?

What's wrong with that?

Astrotrain87 wrote:Asrtotrain is lame but the gestalt that can be undone by rumble and frenzy's pile drivers is super bad ass?I remember seeing Devastator being taken down by Burticus.

Who cares about that? That's the G1 cartoon. It has no baring on characters in general.


You're too hung up on G1. You assume he has to be called one thing, you assume he has to be one way, you assume characters have to transform into the same exact things.

Dark Zarak wrote:

Astrotrain87 wrote:Also non TF junkies won't understand why there are 2 devastators.(The DVD didn't fix this)

Did you read my TF2 character rant thread? Please do.

"I want them to be in the movie just name it some thing else" is not a good counter point.You named it "some worries about TF2" when its all about why you want your favorites in the movie.Maybe your favorites are different from others?

Dark Zarak wrote:Among other things, I make the statement that they don't have to merge into Devastator. They just combine into some kind of general robot. Or how about the idea that it's one character that transforms into several different construction vehicles?

What's wrong with that?

that doesn't draw from the fact that their 6 of the same types of vehicles
and combiners have a major hole in their existence in the fact why don't they just STAY combined until they complete their objective?Its messy and won't make sense in the 2009 movie.

Dark Zarak wrote:

Astrotrain87 wrote:Asrtotrain is lame but the gestalt that can be undone by rumble and frenzy's pile drivers is super bad ass?I remember seeing Devastator being taken down by Burticus.

Who cares about that? That's the G1 cartoon. It has no baring on characters in general.


You're too hung up on G1. You assume he has to be called one thing, you assume he has to be one way, you assume characters have to transform into the same exact things

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you used G1 to draw an example of Astrotrain.Does that mean your hung up on G1? if I made a thread ranting that I wanted Persecptor
in the movie,wouldn't you draw examples from G1 to rebut this?
I noticed you avoided the fact that 6 CGI models will take away from the cast of 'cons.

If devastator is in TF 2 we ONLY get devastator CGI takes time and money and I don't see this movie getting an unlimited budget to
make sure all the fan favorites make it in there