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Does it really surprise anyone that they have plans for more?

The only real question left is what it will take money wise for them to keep Bay and/or Shia on board.

SoooTrypticon wrote:

And I am pretty sure some of you will hate it because it wasn't all bots.

And thus we see the final ugly face of the franchise leaders.

"Thanks for the money, but we still don't give a damn."

Thankfully, I've never contributed to the Bayformers moneypot, and thus can watch from the sidelines and laugh and laugh (and cry).

The reason why they are saying this, and the reason that they HAVE to do this, is because Disney will offer Hasbro a considerable amount for the Transformers Film Franchise.

If Dreamworks doesn't get another film going ASAP to show Hasbro that they're ready to play, then Hasbro will take the property to Dreamwork's rival studio, Disney, who will never ever let go of it. Just like the Muppets.

So this has nothing to do with "Characters," or "More Stories to tell," and has everything to do with cranking out another rushed series of terrible films made by people who don't care.

Hurray.

Transformers + Toy Story = $

Whatever they do, the need to bring back The Fallen, introduce Unicron, and have him turn Megatron into Galvatron.

ReDPATH wrote:Does it really surprise anyone that they have plans for more?

The only real question left is what it will take money wise for them to keep Bay and/or Shia on board.

Since Bay and or Shia have expressed that this was their last one, money might be too much of an issue. They might want too much to come back.

GodMagnus wrote:

ReDPATH wrote:Does it really surprise anyone that they have plans for more?

The only real question left is what it will take money wise for them to keep Bay and/or Shia on board.

Since Bay and or Shia have expressed that this was their last one, money might be too much of an issue. They might want too much to come back.

Keep in mind if they do get them back. I believe the rest of the cast will fall into place which means Josh, Tyrese and John will all be back.

Though I'd hope Sam's parents would not be needed in a 4th movie.

DUDE! HELL NO FOR REBOOT! DOTM ended fairly well(could have been better). my only nitpic is the thought of not a G1 iconic view, after all, I am a G1 freak.

So bay is gone, fox is gone, shia is gone, Orci & Kurtzman are gone, all thats left is this douchebag. If he goes then this franchise might be salvageable. Why make a film called transformers if its not going to be about the robots its named after? Might as well make a batman movie never show batman and just focus on Alfred. Great so now we're going to have 3 more bad movies and a toy line thats just going to get worse every year cause hasbro ran out of ways to make this same character transform differently and because they feel like being cheap. I never liked how the franchise was rebooted every year or 2 but after dealing with this movie crap i realized that its needed. If there really is to be a 3 trilogy change the design of the bots & get different people involved, new director each film new writers each film. Do what Beast Wars did, keep the same characters but change things up each season. Or just pull a G1 & kill every one off then replace them with new toys. If I have to look at giant piles of scrap metal with no personality walking around blowing random **** up for another 3-5 years im taking a very long break from this franchise.

Personally I think I reboot is the best option if they want to remain on Earth. There's virtually no-where it can go after DOTM without negating the film's existence anyway. As is, the 3rd movie forgot/didn't follow 90% of what happened in the last two films, so who cares if the 4th doesn't follow any of them. Batman got rebooted (again) for Dark Knight and look how well that film did!

I'd also like to see a Transformers film actually focus on the Transformers and not the human lead running after his girlfriend / solving all the Cybertronian's issues for them (save the physical battling parts). Who's for kicking it back to Cybertron? There's a crud load of history there! Take one aspect of the past and go with it. The start of the war perhaps? A key event on it? The grapple for control over the Allspark perhaps (if one really wishes to remember at least one of the films)?

I just don't see a Transformers live action movie being done without humans.

Not gonna happen.

You would end up having to hope the property became useless and non profitable to the point where only some small indy company would grab the rights to it and make a movie based soley on Cybertron with no human element whatsoever and the effects would probably be meh at best.

People want to see the Transformers thrive and largely the live action movies brought the name back even if they were mediocre at best.

On top of that its obvious that the reason why the human element is so large in the bayverse is not just because of story but the obvious cost of using the Transformers.

You'll never a Bayscope Transformers movie or for that matter any Transformers movie with the budget of any of the 3 films be soley used on the Transformers themselves especially in a movie that might go from 2 hours to 3 hours. It just won't happen.

You could argue though that Optimus himself is a big enough draw for audiences and I think the studios believe the same as long as he has a human counter part which was Sam.

RiddlerJ wrote:

El Duque wrote:And I am pretty sure some of you will hate it because it wasn't all bots."

Aw, what's wrong Don? Feeling's hurt because some people dared to have complaints about your film?

I'm pretty sure the massive amount of revenue this film is generating will help him get over any hurt feelings.

The 2007 rekindled my interest in the franchise, but its new like that is slowly driving me away. I'd much rather see what someone else can do with the material unhindered by the mess that is the first 3 movies.

First-Aid wrote:Saw this coming. Hasbro is making WAY too much money to stop making the movies. Everytime they release a movie their TF toy profits quadruple. Dreamworks is making WAY too much money to stop making the movies. Each of the first two resulted in a profit of at least 400%. The REAL question: who will be taking the reigns?

This is true. And now that I'm back into collecting them, I hope that whoever "Ms. Right" is (when I find her), she's nerdy enough to be able to handle that I collect them.

ReDPATH wrote:I just don't see a Transformers live action movie being done without humans.

Not gonna happen.

You would end up having to hope the property became useless and non profitable to the point where only some small indy company would grab the rights to it and make a movie based soley on Cybertron with no human element whatsoever and the effects would probably be meh at best.

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Agree 100%. You have to have that human element otherwise these movies wouldn't make a fraction of what they do now at the box office. Let's face it - it's only the most hardcore TF fans who want a movie with just Transformers in it. Not only that but the cost of an entire movie with CGI characters in every scene would cost more to make than is realistically possible.

syphonn wrote:The 2007 rekindled my interest in the franchise, but its new like that is slowly driving me away. I'd much rather see what someone else can do with the material unhindered by the mess that is the first 3 movies.

I agree with you. Why limit a new director to what's been done by another? Esepcally when Bay is an action junky and not so much a story guy.

If the rumors of Spielberg are true, he's a guy you can give free reign too and know (for the most part) you'll get something really good. In general though, letting a director explore their own vision of the Transformers would would be a nice outlook on the franchise.

Bleak5170 wrote:

ReDPATH wrote:I just don't see a Transformers live action movie being done without humans.

Not gonna happen.

You would end up having to hope the property became useless and non profitable to the point where only some small indy company would grab the rights to it and make a movie based soley on Cybertron with no human element whatsoever and the effects would probably be meh at best.

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Agree 100%. You have to have that human element otherwise these movies wouldn't make a fraction of what they do now at the box office. Let's face it - it's only the most hardcore TF fans who want a movie with just Transformers in it. Not only that but the cost of an entire movie with CGI characters in every scene would cost more to make than is realistically possible.

So what TF series was without humans again? Eh, BM. Yep, that went down with pure fanlove. BWII? No one has seen it. BW Neo? Same. No humans is a proven formula for succes.

masterprime13 wrote:If there will be a new movie, it should follow G1. Since Megatron is dead, Unicron finds him and revives him, turning him into Galvatron. That would be a nice movie.

I already seen that once how about something new?

Not sure how I feel about this. A breather would be nice but the movies and merchandise are just bringing in too much cash to stop now.

Whatever direction they take, I'd just like a little more character development and to continue to tighten up the story plots. DOTM was a lot better than ROTF but there was still room for improvement.

But really, does Don have to keep up the "us against them" things when it comes to the fans? He just comes off as a big douche.

the transformers NEED to be the main focus of the movie! im sick of too much humans!!! SICK OF IT!!!!!!!

Bleak5170 wrote:

RiddlerJ wrote:

El Duque wrote:And I am pretty sure some of you will hate it because it wasn't all bots."

Aw, what's wrong Don? Feeling's hurt because some people dared to have complaints about your film?

I'm pretty sure the massive amount of revenue this film is generating will help him get over any hurt feelings.

I know. Dispite the fact that his films are such a success, he still has to toss in a dig because everyone just didn't love them 100 percent.

And don't get me wrong, I have no problems with humans in a Transformer movie. I do have a problem when the story focuses on things like humans going on job interviews and being embarrassed by their parents or just acting like total clowns as opposed to humans being involved in a Transformer story.

vulgar_wraith wrote:

masterprime13 wrote:If there will be a new movie, it should follow G1. Since Megatron is dead, Unicron finds him and revives him, turning him into Galvatron. That would be a nice movie.

I already seen that once how about something new?

Lmao. I tell people that all the time too xD Yes, I'd like them to play more on the history Hasbro began to craft in G1 (and further developed as time went), but repeating G1 defeats the purpose of making expensive live action movies xP

Bleak5170 wrote:

ReDPATH wrote:I just don't see a Transformers live action movie being done without humans.

Not gonna happen.

You would end up having to hope the property became useless and non profitable to the point where only some small indy company would grab the rights to it and make a movie based soley on Cybertron with no human element whatsoever and the effects would probably be meh at best.

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Agree 100%. You have to have that human element otherwise these movies wouldn't make a fraction of what they do now at the box office. Let's face it - it's only the most hardcore TF fans who want a movie with just Transformers in it. Not only that but the cost of an entire movie with CGI characters in every scene would cost more to make than is realistically possible.

The human element is what makes the movies interesting. If there wasn't a human element, there would really be no point to it all.

A few facts

1)Transformers are only made to make money no other reason.

2) So are the movies

3) Every movie has a buget and deadline.So what can they pull off in this frame of time.

4) Human will be in every main stream adaptation of the movie FOREVER.

5)Artistic stand point-Your a director and not a giant fanboy.You have to kinda stay to close material but who wants remake everything the way it was?You have to leave your own mark besides the paycheck you wanna put your own twist on things.

6) Fanboys would mostly likely write a terrible script.I haven't heard anyone on this site come up with a idea that I would like to see on screen.Why?I already seen it.If they pick a new villian does it have to be like it was in 86 movie?We have seen that already.How about a new way or a new villian or take a character from the past that was just a grunt and make him a bad ass for next movie?It really doesnt matter I just wanna see some new ideas I never heard before in it.


I been a fan since the beginning I loved G1 but I also love Beastwars,Energon,Animated and Prime.Along with some of the comics too.I look at the movie like any of the other stories as just a retelling of transformers from someone else point of view.I can see things from multiple point of views.We all love TF's but they need to make money,the movie has to appeal to world audience before the fanboys, and the is a buget and timeline for what they can do.Which does make sense why there are more human scenes than robot scenes.

PLEASE WE NEED A REBOOT!!
i am sorry but DOTM was the absolute worse of the 3 films especially when it came to give the robots screentime, they were hardly in the film! it was mainly the focus on the soldiers at the end, i cant even call it a transformers movie. The bots had better screentime in rotf and in the first movie. the first transformers movie if u skip through all the only human interaction parts which make the movie an extra half hour long than it should be then the robots get actual good screentime. Maybe in a couple yrs time special effects wont be as expensive to animate the robots, a new director will have them desined with less complexity so they are less expensive, and most importantly put the transformers first instead of the **** humans!

vulgar_wraith wrote:
6) Fanboys would mostly likely write a terrible script.I haven't heard anyone on this site come up with a idea that I would like to see on screen.Why?I already seen it.If they pick a new villian does it have to be like it was in 86 movie?We have seen that already.How about a new way or a new villian or take a character from the past that was just a grunt and make him a bad ass for next movie?It really doesnt matter I just wanna see some new ideas I never heard before in it.

I'll disagree with you there. If you are a good storyteller you can make a good (or great) script without copying the past, even if you are a fangirl/boy. The issue is, not everyone is a good (or gifted) with storytelling. Some people are just great at making the shots (I personally see Bay as someone very talented with crafting shots, but not with story) while others are great with just story. It's harder to find directors who are good/great at both, but it's not impossible. Fans of a book/movie/cartoon tend to have better odds at making movies/cartoons about the things they enjoy because they know the world better than those who don't. They also know what people who like/love the world like to see from them, so they can take that knowledge and use it to craft something that, while new, respects where it came from (die hard old fans will always gripe that it's not the original, there no getting around it).

That's one reason I liked Animated. They looked at Optimus and said "hey, he's always there hero but... let's try something new" and made him a rookie learning as he went and not looked highly upon by the high ranking Primes. Still a hero, but not the confident all knowing one everyone (for the most part) looks up to.

RhA wrote:

Bleak5170 wrote:

ReDPATH wrote:I just don't see a Transformers live action movie being done without humans.

Not gonna happen.

You would end up having to hope the property became useless and non profitable to the point where only some small indy company would grab the rights to it and make a movie based soley on Cybertron with no human element whatsoever and the effects would probably be meh at best.

.

Agree 100%. You have to have that human element otherwise these movies wouldn't make a fraction of what they do now at the box office. Let's face it - it's only the most hardcore TF fans who want a movie with just Transformers in it. Not only that but the cost of an entire movie with CGI characters in every scene would cost more to make than is realistically possible.

So what TF series was without humans again? Eh, BM. Yep, that went down with pure fanlove. BWII? No one has seen it. BW Neo? Same. No humans is a proven formula for succes.

We're talking big budget Hollywood action moves here - not Saturday morning cartoons. It's a night & day difference.