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TimothyR wrote:Screamfleet wrote:agentk9 wrote:wow. it kinda confirms that they are basically just assigning the TF brand names to these fugly ass designs by pulling them out of a hat. No regard for the actual characters or mythos.
Actually, by not naming him Ultra Magnus, that shows they don't want to do that. Dino and Q were suppose to be Mirage and Wheeljack. It's lame the toys will still be referred to as such.
They certainly couldn't have called Sentinel, Nemesis Prime, that would have been too obvious.
They do have some concern, not as much as other adaptations, but sentinel being magnus would have been worse.
well said.
and just because they don't look like boxes running around doesn't make them ugly. get over it.
anyone else notice that there were nods to two G1 story lines in the movie?
and what.. the movie universe can't be it's own universe? it HAS to be the G1 universe?
they try to use the names that we know because that's what the fans want. and i guess you missed all of the characters that they did well..
i love G1 as much as the next guy.. but there's already a G1.. this can't be something new, for new fans? i thought sentinel prime was a great choice for the movie. he's a character that i've certainly never cared for. and now he's got a major role and is in the spotlight. i think it's great. bringing new life to an old name.
gothsaurus wrote:We all know I'm going to that movie to watch stuff blow up... and to hear Cullen voice Prime.
gothsaurus wrote:I can see some of both sides (familiar G1 VS fresh take)... but at the end of it, I felt like the movies have drawn as much - or more - from other franchises than actual TF lore... including Aliens, Predator, Bionicle, Dinozaurs, the Matrix... with ole Optimus dropped in the middle of the hodge-podge.
I guess I'd prefer they use new names, if they're completely different/new characters.
Lastjustice wrote:I'm glad they went with Sentinel Prime, as it's far more fitting for Ultra Magnus to be left a hero. Sentinel has had some shady business in some continuities. Magnus has always been a good guy thru and thru.
I'd love for them to have brought in Ultra Magnus as a fellow good guy so Prime had another heavy hitter to go with his bunch of cars. May be he can join for 4th film.
adamassc wrote:Lastjustice wrote:I'm glad they went with Sentinel Prime, as it's far more fitting for Ultra Magnus to be left a hero. Sentinel has had some shady business in some continuities. Magnus has always been a good guy thru and thru.
I'd love for them to have brought in Ultra Magnus as a fellow good guy so Prime had another heavy hitter to go with his bunch of cars. May be he can join for 4th film.
Soo, not much for the comics, then? You know, the one where Magnus betrayed and imprisoned Prime and his crew because he believed Shockwave was interested in the good of all Cybertronians?
TimothyR wrote:Screamfleet wrote:agentk9 wrote:wow. it kinda confirms that they are basically just assigning the TF brand names to these fugly ass designs by pulling them out of a hat. No regard for the actual characters or mythos.
Actually, by not naming him Ultra Magnus, that shows they don't want to do that. Dino and Q were suppose to be Mirage and Wheeljack. It's lame the toys will still be referred to as such.
They certainly couldn't have called Sentinel, Nemesis Prime, that would have been too obvious.
They do have some concern, not as much as other adaptations, but sentinel being magnus would have been worse.
well said.
and just because they don't look like boxes running around doesn't make them ugly. get over it.
anyone else notice that there were nods to two G1 story lines in the movie?
and what.. the movie universe can't be it's own universe? it HAS to be the G1 universe?
they try to use the names that we know because that's what the fans want. and i guess you missed all of the characters that they did well..
i love G1 as much as the next guy.. but there's already a G1.. this can't be something new, for new fans? i thought sentinel prime was a great choice for the movie. he's a character that i've certainly never cared for. and now he's got a major role and is in the spotlight. i think it's great. bringing new life to an old name.
Va'al wrote:I keep track of everyone. Backwards.
There are atandarfs to maintain.
LOST Cybertronian wrote:Hey, If Mindmaster survived then you should do just fine.
Mindmaster wrote:Since this is in a way a thread about Sentinel Prime, I'd like to throw in this chart;
Turncoats In The TF Movies
Movie #1
*None
ROTF
*Jetfire - Autobots
DOTM
*Sentinel Prime - Decepticons(ish)
Anyone notice a pattern? So if they're going to proceed with a 4th installment, my guess is that there will be at least one Decepticon that will go Autobot or it will be like the 1st one; no turncoats at all.
Mindmaster wrote:Since this is in a way a thread about Sentinel Prime, I'd like to throw in this chart;
Turncoats In The TF Movies
Movie #1
*None
ROTF
*Jetfire - Autobots
DOTM
*Sentinel Prime - Decepticons(ish)
Anyone notice a pattern? So if they're going to proceed with a 4th installment, my guess is that there will be at least one Decepticon that will go Autobot or it will be like the 1st one; no turncoats at all.
deathy wrote:My guess is initially Ultra magnus was chosen for DOTM. Due to his rival brother hood with optimus prime in RID. and due to Ultra Magnus being the supreme autobot leader/teacher in the animated cartoon/toy line.
Personally Ultra magnus from Rid or Animated would have never acted like sentinel prime in the DOTM movie.
Rid ultra magnus may have been optimus prime's rival in the Rid cartoon. but Rid ultra magnus would have never went to the extreme by killing any autobots nor kill any humans on earth. nor switch sides & join the bad guys permanently.
Animated Ultra magnus was never a evil robot.
ANOTHER THING,I don't think a fire truck alt mode would have suited the ultra magnus character. as being a fire truck is optimus prime's thing in RID,Cybertron & animated.
I'll admit my biggest beef about the DOTM Sentinel prime toy were the 85% all red color.
I probably would have like ultra magnus's color scheme on the dotm sentintel prime toys. as his colors would have been various colors & just a more eye pleasing colors. like white,blue,red. I'll admit as far as being realistically colored it would have failed. as sentinel prime's red color is more realistically colored for that fire truck.
deathy wrote:My guess is initially Ultra magnus was chosen for DOTM. Due to his rival brother hood with optimus prime in RID. and due to Ultra Magnus being the supreme autobot leader/teacher in the animated cartoon/toy line.
Personally Ultra magnus from Rid or Animated would have never acted like sentinel prime in the DOTM movie.
Rid ultra magnus may have been optimus prime's rival in the Rid cartoon. but Rid ultra magnus would have never went to the extreme by killing any autobots nor kill any humans on earth. nor switch sides & join the bad guys permanently.
Animated Ultra magnus was never a evil robot.
ANOTHER THING,I don't think a fire truck alt mode would have suited the ultra magnus character. as being a fire truck is optimus prime's thing in RID,Cybertron & animated.
I'll admit my biggest beef about the DOTM Sentinel prime toy were the 85% all red color.
I probably would have like ultra magnus's color scheme on the dotm sentintel prime toys. as his colors would have been various colors & just a more eye pleasing colors. like white,blue,red. I'll admit as far as being realistically colored it would have failed. as sentinel prime's red color is more realistically colored for that fire truck.
Lousy_Autobot_Lover wrote:According to the blog, it was the test screening that drove the change to Sentinel Prime. However we have to wonder if Hasbro had a say in this change. Ultra Magnus has always been a heroic character and doesn't match the role that Sentinel Prime plays in DOTM.
The blog also states that they re-used the Ultra Magnus head as what the Apollo 11 astronauts step on and uncover as they explore the ship.
That does not make sense. So the movie CGI was completed way in advance?
Whatever the case, I would have been fine with Ultra Magnus. It would have been interesting.
SlyTF1 wrote:Mindmaster wrote:Since this is in a way a thread about Sentinel Prime, I'd like to throw in this chart;
Turncoats In The TF Movies
Movie #1
*None
ROTF
*Jetfire - Autobots
DOTM
*Sentinel Prime - Decepticons(ish)
Anyone notice a pattern? So if they're going to proceed with a 4th installment, my guess is that there will be at least one Decepticon that will go Autobot or it will be like the 1st one; no turncoats at all.
Don't forget Wheelie in ROTF.
^Oh, never mind then.
Va'al wrote:I keep track of everyone. Backwards.
There are atandarfs to maintain.
LOST Cybertronian wrote:Hey, If Mindmaster survived then you should do just fine.
Shadowman wrote:I will put forth the theory that it was the internet itself trying to punch him in the face.
TimothyR wrote:Screamfleet wrote:agentk9 wrote:wow. it kinda confirms that they are basically just assigning the TF brand names to these fugly ass designs by pulling them out of a hat. No regard for the actual characters or mythos.
Actually, by not naming him Ultra Magnus, that shows they don't want to do that. Dino and Q were suppose to be Mirage and Wheeljack. It's lame the toys will still be referred to as such.
They certainly couldn't have called Sentinel, Nemesis Prime, that would have been too obvious.
They do have some concern, not as much as other adaptations, but sentinel being magnus would have been worse.
well said.
and just because they don't look like boxes running around doesn't make them ugly. get over it.
anyone else notice that there were nods to two G1 story lines in the movie?
and what.. the movie universe can't be it's own universe? it HAS to be the G1 universe?
they try to use the names that we know because that's what the fans want. and i guess you missed all of the characters that they did well..
i love G1 as much as the next guy.. but there's already a G1.. this can't be something new, for new fans? i thought sentinel prime was a great choice for the movie. he's a character that i've certainly never cared for. and now he's got a major role and is in the spotlight. i think it's great. bringing new life to an old name.
gothsaurus wrote:Didn't the twins switch sides in the first flick? maybe I'm remembering wrong. Been a while since I played it.
morphobots wrote:Lousy_Autobot_Lover wrote:According to the blog, it was the test screening that drove the change to Sentinel Prime. However we have to wonder if Hasbro had a say in this change. Ultra Magnus has always been a heroic character and doesn't match the role that Sentinel Prime plays in DOTM.
The blog also states that they re-used the Ultra Magnus head as what the Apollo 11 astronauts step on and uncover as they explore the ship.
That does not make sense. So the movie CGI was completed way in advance?
Whatever the case, I would have been fine with Ultra Magnus. It would have been interesting.
That is my question. I've always been under the impression test screenings are done when the film is close to completion but not so close that changes can't be done. As we've seen in video, the security guard on the set in Chicago (8/27/10) states to the crowd that the fire truck parked behind him is Sentinel Prime. That's almost a year ago. As they say during congressional hearings, who knew what, and when did they know it?
BeastProwl wrote:all I wanna know...is this.... did they actually remove he twins? didnt see it yet. please answer soon!
BTW. that was so..... well, let's just say we didnt see this article coming from a mile away!
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