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Hailstorm and Terradive are there too. But I thought they were Movieverse guys.

Sabrblade wrote:Hailstorm and Terradive are there too. But I thought they were Movieverse guys.

Could it be that they are all repurposed as Beast Wars characters? Like Wrecker Hook would be tarantulus?

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Hailstorm and Terradive are there too. But I thought they were Movieverse guys.

Could it be that they are all repurposed as Beast Wars characters? Like Wrecker Hook would be tarantulus?

There doesn't seem to be any indication of that.

Wrecker Hook I can understand since he is a Japanese G1 character. I'm just a little surprised to see the other two since I thought Takara had considered their Autobot Alliance line to have been an entirely Movieverse line.

The Megalligator head isn't the one shouting D-6, it's Wrecker Hook shouting it at him, the head is then surprised and finally angered by it. It's really weird reading these from left to right...

The e-Hobby comics aren't afraid of cross dimensional travel so I would just assume they all came together from outside their own universes. By the looks of it they only threw in those other two as fodder anyway.

I wonder if this will lead to them being attacked by Grand Scourge and a team-up with Deadlock? Maybe then leading into Go Prime being saved through the Headmaster technology for the Alpha Trion repaint I've been hoping for?

Emerje

Emerje wrote:The Megalligator head isn't the one shouting D-6, it's Wrecker Hook shouting it at him, the head is then surprised and finally angered by it. It's really weird reading these from left to right...

Thanks I made the edit, an yeah it is weird.

Can you get back to me about the question I asked regarding the costs of forwarding and if the prices youmention include the 500 yen fee or not ?

Interesting how the Titan Master's legs fold up to look like additional barrels in gun mold. Has anyone tried this??

Menace-Or? wrote:Interesting how the Titan Master's legs fold up to look like additional barrels in gun mold. Has anyone tried this??

Yeah, thats the way the instructions show it so I thought we always had to do it that way.

william-james88 wrote:Can you get back to me about the question I asked regarding the costs of forwarding and if the prices youmention include the 500 yen fee or not ?

Sorry, I missed it. Yes, that did include the fee, that's what I meant by "after a ￥500 handling fee". Tenso estimates the shipping alone at ￥890 which should be the same at BiJ. I did just notice that Tenso has a small packet air mail service that I've never seen anyone else use that's only a little more than SAL (which I just noticed is registered so that's unusually cheap) at ￥1,100, but for half the delivery time. Starting to lean towards Tenso now. The figure is "made to order" so there's no huge rush until the deadline.

Emerje

Love the toy, and the comic looks cool as well!

So Ape-X Arms is primarily for Megalligator to pilot, as he's the one who originally summoned it.

Another thing to note: you know how in the Headmasters anime, they shout "Head On" when connecting to their Transtector? This comic introduces another Voice Command, "Soul In" for connecting with Partner Drones it seems. Ape-X Arms' weapon mode also gets named: Hyper Sonic Plasma Cannon.

From the bio, it seems that Mega-Ligator and Convo-Bat (my choice of spelling) were cloned test subjects who broke out of a cloning lab (much like Reverse Convoy/Rebirth Megatron) during the G1 period. This was in order to make biometal bodies, and were prototypes to the then subsequent Maximal and Predacon bodies. It wouldn't surprise me if this was the same lab used to birth Reverse Convoy, on the planet)oid) called "Vehicon".

In my own interpretation, most other clones of OP and Megs also originated from here (Nemesis Prime/Scourge, Guiltaur, Toxitron, Megastorm, Megaplex, Archforce, Destructicon Bludgeon, etc) were made (like the lab from "Alien 3"). I suspect it was one of Shockwave's cloning labs during G1, but was found and used by BW Megs during Beast Machines.

If you check CB's bio, its an amalgamation of Grey OP's bad mode, the red "Convo-Bat" and "Onyx Primal" (as he was an assassin with a stealth mode). As CB refused to be an assassin, perhaps we will get a black repaint later on? Maybe a red and blue one?

Anyway, I REALLY hope they use the Megatron mold to make Reverse Convoy, although his colours and bio are now similar to Convo-Bat...

primalxconvoy wrote:From the bio, it seems that Mega-Ligator and Convo-Bat (my choice of spelling) were cloned test subjects who broke out of a cloning lab (much like Reverse Convoy/Rebirth Megatron) during the G1 period. This was in order to make biometal bodies, and were prototypes to the then subsequent Maximal and Predacon bodies. It wouldn't surprise me if this was the same lab used to birth Reverse Convoy, on the planet)oid) called "Vehicon".

But... Reverse Convoy wasn't a clone.

This is all his bio says:

A warrior born on Planet Vehicon. Also an authority on energy production. In actuality, use of the black hole link system Reverse Convoy possesses caused him to become the rebirth of original Destron Emperor of Destruction, G1 Megatron.

Where did you get that he was a clone birthed in a lab?

Sabrblade wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:From the bio, it seems that Mega-Ligator and Convo-Bat (my choice of spelling) were cloned test subjects who broke out of a cloning lab (much like Reverse Convoy/Rebirth Megatron) during the G1 period. This was in order to make biometal bodies, and were prototypes to the then subsequent Maximal and Predacon bodies. It wouldn't surprise me if this was the same lab used to birth Reverse Convoy, on the planet(oid) called "Vehicon".

But... Reverse Convoy wasn't a clone.

This is all his bio says:

A warrior born on Planet Vehicon. Also an authority on energy production. In actuality, use of the black hole link system Reverse Convoy possesses caused him to become the rebirth of original Destron Emperor of Destruction, G1 Megatron.

Where did you get that he was a clone birthed in a lab?

1/ Here is a translated bio of Convo-Bat from Hobby Link Japan:

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This awesome figure, exclusively offered by E-Hobby, commemorates the 20th anniversary of "Beast Wars"!  A clone of Optimus Prime (a.k.a. Convoy), the bat-winged Combobat was the result of an attempt to introduce organic elements to Transformers. With his silent flight ability, Combobat was engineered to be an ideal assassin, but he would prefer a different path. He comes with his Headmaster Megalligator, two energy swords, and the Ape-X Arms drone. A 16-page comic book is also included! 

(Source: - https://hlj.com/product/TKTE-0044-TF )

2/ Yes, officially, Reverse Convoy is not a clone. In MY interpretation, he is. I inferred the "planet Vehicon" as "Vehicon planet", in the sense that it was rediscovered and reclaimed by Megatron's Vehicons, who restarted the cloning experiments using G1 OP and Megs as their templates. In my interpretation, Reverse Convoy (or whichever clones were created around that time) were engineered alongside other clones or hybrids of long-dead "leaders", in order to create the perfect "generals" for Megatron's Vehicon troops/drones. TFwiki, at the time I came up with that theory, did not have an "ask Vector Prime: section on the character, so I inferred any Tf "born" on a Vehicon planet to be created by Megatron. This is also where megatron would have created the cloned/hybrid "Optimal Optimus" form for himself (or developed on Cybertron via tech taken from the planet).

Regardless, I don't think the toy will come out, as it is too similar to Convo-Bat (Op/Prime headmasters, and similar colours). In this case, I REALLY hope I am wrong, though. I LOVE Reverse Convoy almost as much as I love Primal Prime...

- http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Reverse_Convoy

primalxconvoy wrote:1/ Here is a translated bio of Convo-Bat from Hobby Link Japan:

I was talking about Reverse Convoy.

I've already seen Convobat's bio (I'm the one who posted it here, even):

In a sense, Convobat is "Convoy changed his form in preparation for aerial combat. Unfurling his elastic bat wings, he can fly completely silently, with hovering capabilities. With Convoy's strategic and commanding abilities, he is easily up to the task of scouting without being spotted by enemies." But he is a clone of Convoy; to introduce the traits of organic lifeforms to the next generation of Transformers, Straxus has performed experiments to create the latest hybrid TFs.

With bat-like wings, he can fly and hover in silence, which made him perfect to train as an assassin robot. He rebels from his chosen career and plots to escape. He thinks that Megaligator, from the same stock of experiments and circumstances as him, is his only friend. To compensate for his lack of firepower, his partner drone Ape-X Arms was created.

primalxconvoy wrote:2/ Yes, officially, Reverse Convoy is not a clone. In MY interpretation, he is.

Ah, headcanon. Got it.

Thought you were speaking of something from Takara before.

primalxconvoy wrote:TFwiki, at the time I came up with that theory, did not have an "ask Vector Prime: section on the character, so I inferred any Tf "born" on a Vehicon planet to be created by Megatron.

Well, even before the AVP backstory was written, the RobotMasters fiction itself showed Megatron possessing Reverse Convoy's body to impersonate its original owner from the Planet Vehicon so as to infiltrate the Autobots and gain their trust before stabbing them in the back.

Though, looking at the Wiki page, it seems to be missing Reverse Convoy's RobotMasters cartoon info. Odd.

Sabrblade wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:1/ Here is a translated bio of Convo-Bat from Hobby Link Japan:

I was talking about Reverse Convoy.

I've already seen Convobat's bio (I'm the one who posted it here, even):

In a sense, Convobat is "Convoy changed his form in preparation for aerial combat. Unfurling his elastic bat wings, he can fly completely silently, with hovering capabilities. With Convoy's strategic and commanding abilities, he is easily up to the task of scouting without being spotted by enemies." But he is a clone of Convoy; to introduce the traits of organic lifeforms to the next generation of Transformers, Straxus has performed experiments to create the latest hybrid TFs.

With bat-like wings, he can fly and hover in silence, which made him perfect to train as an assassin robot. He rebels from his chosen career and plots to escape. He thinks that Megaligator, from the same stock of experiments and circumstances as him, is his only friend. To compensate for his lack of firepower, his partner drone Ape-X Arms was created.

primalxconvoy wrote:2/ Yes, officially, Reverse Convoy is not a clone. In MY interpretation, he is.

Ah, headcanon. Got it.

Thought you were speaking of something from Takara before.

primalxconvoy wrote:TFwiki, at the time I came up with that theory, did not have an "ask Vector Prime: section on the character, so I inferred any Tf "born" on a Vehicon planet to be created by Megatron.

Well, even before the AVP backstory was written, the RobotMasters fiction itself showed Megatron possessing Reverse Convoy's body to impersonate its original owner from the Planet Vehicon so as to infiltrate the Autobots and gain their trust before stabbing them in the back.

Though, looking at the Wiki page, it seems to be missing Reverse Convoy's RobotMasters cartoon info. Odd.

I already knew about the Robotmasters bio. I just combined a mad scientist tinkering with power to someone being experimented upon BY a mad scientist.

Slightly related, but off-topic, I inferred that instead of Megatron getting his green G2 tank mode, it was given to two clones, Megastorm, and Archforce; two brothers who would later become the Predacons Gigastorm and Galvatron respectively.

Anyway, I have preordered Convo-Bat and am looking for a spare, headless, cheap unboxed (although a cheap full version is fine) Skullcruncher to repaint into Mega-Ligator now.

If I recall correctly Reverse Convoy is also called "Rebirth Megatron" so that is who I see him as myself as a post G2 Megatron.

The Bat and Croc these days I guess could be some sort of clone - but they could also be from a rather interesting alternative Universe where for some reason Transformers were forced to adopt Beast Modes after G2.

There is a lot to discuss there though - if there is interest in the topic it might warrant it's own thread called something like "The organic Influence on Transformers".

RAR wrote:If I recall correctly Reverse Convoy is also called "Rebirth Megatron" so that is who I see him as myself as a post G2 Megatron.

"Rebirth Megatron" was the moniker Megatron assumed while possessing Reverse Convoy's body, yes, but that was because Megatron had been lost in some previous incident and his return in Reverse Convoy's body was like his having been reborn, metaphorically-speaking. Afterward, he'd get released from his possession of Reverse Convoy and return to his old body just in time to partake in events that would lead up to Transformers: The Movie. His time as Rebirth Megatron occurred in 2004-2005 during the post-season 2/pre-movie era of the Japanese G1 cartoon timeline (decades before G2 would occur in the late 2030s).

RAR wrote:The Bat and Croc these days I guess could be some sort of clone - but they could also be from a rather interesting alternative Universe where for some reason Transformers were forced to adopt Beast Modes after G2.

We'll just have to wait and see what the full comic says.

RAR wrote:If I recall correctly Reverse Convoy is also called "Rebirth Megatron" so that is who I see him as myself as a post G2 Megatron.

The Bat and Croc these days I guess could be some sort of clone - but they could also be from a rather interesting alternative Universe where for some reason Transformers were forced to adopt Beast Modes after G2.

There is a lot to discuss there though - if there is interest in the topic it might warrant it's own thread called something like "The organic Influence on Transformers".

If this is the G1 universe, then these would be clones created around the time of Headmaster Juniors, like Fangry, and Pretenders, as both incorporated biometal in their designs. As far as I can recall, "beast modes" are a combination of pretender and other biometal forms (Fangry et al) for the physical frms, with the synapses linkeing the mechanical to the cybernetic/biological derived from Nebulan Head/Power/Targetmaster tech (with those synapses derived from combiner synapses). I think some of this info was taken from the Beast Wars or G1 "MTMTE" sourcebooks?

If not, then it's all in my head.

The more I look at these, the more I love them. I have a pre-order with both BBTS and HLJ. If anyone gets a Takara Legends Skull and doesn't want the dinosaur drone, I'll buy it from you!

The only vaguely G2 like events I know of would be something like a Botcon comic or the Historical references to it hinted at buy those making Beast Wars.

Otherwise When I talk about a Post G2 Megatron I'm not really talking about some hypothetical events that may or may not have happened after the cartoon that might got alluded to in some Japanese Comic or other - rather the Western Marvel Comic events and the toyline. That certainly didn't take place in 2030.

Besides Transformers gets a bit mind-bending if you try to shoe horn in everything some where like the endless versions of Nemesis Prime / Scourge or even different incarnations of Bludgeon.

I was talking about G2 in a 1990's sense anyway. The other reason I suggested that was his body type is pretty much the same as the G2 Tank Megatron too - all be a smaller one.

[Boy being a Transformers fan is so like being a Star Trek fan sometimes - in that you are having to watch people tie themselves in knots to fit things in a timeline in both franchises]

RAR wrote:The only vaguely G2 like events I know of would be something like a Botcon comic or the Historical references to it hinted at buy those making Beast Wars.

Otherwise When I talk about a Post G2 Megatron I'm not really talking about some hypothetical events that may or may not have happened after the cartoon that might got alluded to in some Japanese Comic or other - rather the Western Marvel Comic events and the toyline. That certainly didn't take place in 2030.

Besides Transformers gets a bit mind-bending if you try to shoe horn in everything some where like the endless versions of Nemesis Prime / Scourge or even different incarnations of Bludgeon.

I was talking about G2 in a 1990's sense anyway. The other reason I suggested that was his body type is pretty much the same as the G2 Tank Megatron too - all be a smaller one.

[Boy being a Transformers fan is so like being a Star Trek fan sometimes - in that you are having to watch people tie themselves in knots to fit things in a timeline in both franchises]

Japanese G-2 (the pack-in manga and story pages) takes place in the late 2030s of the Japanese G1 cartoon timeline. That's what I was referring to.

RAR wrote:

Besides Transformers gets a bit mind-bending if you try to shoe horn in everything some where like the endless versions of Nemesis Prime / Scourge or even different incarnations of Bludgeon.

I wrote a theory about Nemesis Prime, which basically said that he is an avatar, with every universe, by Unicron's will, having a host body made for him (be it Scourge, an Elderoid, Black Convoy, etc). Once posessed or reformatted, it becomes Nemesis Prime, reborn.

As for Bludgeon, the RID Destructicon version was seen, by me, as another clone in the facility that birthed Convo-Bat.

For me, I believe that almost eveything CAN be included in one universe, one way or another.

After the first page we saw here, for the upcoming eHobby exclusive Combobat (Convobat) set - a repaint of Titans Return Mindwipe, Titan Master Infinitus, Prime Wheeljack's swords and the little tank that accompanies Legeds Hardhead, plus Nucleon to combine with Skullcruncher for a Megalligator surrogate - we have a second page from the comic! Mirrored below, we see Wrecker Hook again, along with the Megalligator head and ..Generations Straxus? Check it out, and let us know what you think.

Cool and cute all at the same time

Dr Va'al wrote:After the first page we saw here, for the upcoming eHobby exclusive Combobat (Convobat) set - a repaint of Titans Return Mindwipe, Titan Master Infinitus, Prime Wheeljack's swords and the little tank that accompanies Legeds Hardhead, plus Nucleon to combine with Skullcruncher for a Megalligator surrogate - we have a second page from the comic! Mirrored below, we see Wrecker Hook again, along with the Megalligator head and ..Generations Straxus? Check it out, and let us know what you think.

Wrecker Hook has been repurposed as "Tarantulas". Look at his head. The same goes for the other characters in these two pages so far (although I can't remember which BW characters they are).