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tbh having horrible writing in a transformers cartoon isnt exactly a new thing, pretty much every series (and the movie) had horrible tacky writing, its one of the reason i love them all so much

Anyone else think it was cool when Prime refered to the Decepticons as "'Cons"? I think that was the first time that nickname was acknowlegded in any official canon.

Also is the voice to Teletran-1 the same voice as the Predacons computer in Beast Wars?

pt206 wrote:Couple of questions for those that follow the comic books. Did the "allspark" start with the movie or was it previously in a comic series?

Sort of. Vector Sigma was occasionally called the All Spark, and had pretty much the same function of giving life to Transformers.

UltraPrimal wrote:Also is the voice to Teletran-1 the same voice as the Predacons computer in Beast Wars?

No, that was Elizabeth Carol Savenkoff. Teletran-1 is voiced by Tara Strong, who also voiced Sari.

Shadowman wrote:

pt206 wrote:Couple of questions for those that follow the comic books. Did the "allspark" start with the movie or was it previously in a comic series?

Sort of. Vector Sigma was occasionally called the All Spark, and had pretty much the same function of giving life to Transformers.

Was that in the Marvel comics?
If not the first official sign of the Allspark was in Beast Wars/ Beast Machines.

Dead Metal wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

pt206 wrote:Couple of questions for those that follow the comic books. Did the "allspark" start with the movie or was it previously in a comic series?

Sort of. Vector Sigma was occasionally called the All Spark, and had pretty much the same function of giving life to Transformers.

Was that in the Marvel comics?
If not the first official sign of the Allspark was in Beast Wars/ Beast Machines.

There were a couple of episodes in G1 about the Key to Vector Sigma. (Which they used again in Beast Machines) Though, to be fair, they were two of the episodes I didn't watch.

Shadowman wrote:
There were a couple of episodes in G1 about the Key to Vector Sigma. (Which they used again in Beast Machines) Though, to be fair, they were two of the episodes I didn't watch.

The Key to Vector sigma was one of the eppys name and as far as I can remember they never called Vector sigma the Allspark.
But Vector sigma is the Oracle in BM, and the way they talk about the Allspark, it looks like the Matrix is the Allspark.
That would explain the Animated Allspark's design, even more since it's the same guy that wrote it.

I hate all this talk of the 'allspark'. To me that's just Beast Wars polluting transformers. It just sounds dumb to me.

Bring back the matrix!

UltraPrimal wrote:Anyone else think it was cool when Prime refered to the Decepticons as "'Cons"? I think that was the first time that nickname was acknowlegded in any official canon.

Very much so! It could be.

Bumblethumper wrote:I hate all this talk of the 'allspark'. To me that's just Beast Wars polluting transformers. It just sounds dumb to me.

Bring back the matrix!

They did. A lot.

quick question, though, because it's been a very long time since I've watched BW, when did they mention the AllSpark in it? It does sound like something they'd say, but I can't figure out when that'd come up.

Shadowman wrote:

Bumblethumper wrote:I hate all this talk of the 'allspark'. To me that's just Beast Wars polluting transformers. It just sounds dumb to me.

Bring back the matrix!

They did. A lot.

quick question, though, because it's been a very long time since I've watched BW, when did they mention the AllSpark in it? It does sound like something they'd say, but I can't figure out when that'd come up.

I just checked, in BW they say all sparks come from the Matrix, then in BM they state that it's the Allspark, so BM is the first cartoon appearance of the Allspark.

Shadowman wrote:

Bumblethumper wrote:Bring back the matrix!

They did. A lot.

When? As of the Transformers Movie, and Transformers Animated, I haven't heard any mention of the matrix. It's all about this fecking 'allspark' now.

Shadowman wrote:quick question, though, because it's been a very long time since I've watched BW, when did they mention the AllSpark in it? It does sound like something they'd say, but I can't figure out when that'd come up.

I make no distinction between BW and BM. I've avoided them at all costs. All I know is back in the eighties, there was no such thing as an 'allspark'. Out of nowhere it's become like this big central MacGuffin used to explain away any and all plot holes.

Bumblethumper wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Bumblethumper wrote:Bring back the matrix!

They did. A lot.

When? As of the Transformers Movie, and Transformers Animated, I haven't heard any mention of the matrix. It's all about this fecking 'allspark' now.

Shadowman wrote:quick question, though, because it's been a very long time since I've watched BW, when did they mention the AllSpark in it? It does sound like something they'd say, but I can't figure out when that'd come up.

I make no distinction between BW and BM. I've avoided them at all costs. All I know is back in the eighties, there was no such thing as an 'allspark'. Out of nowhere it's become like this big central MacGuffin used to explain away any and all plot holes.

Well in Beast Wars it was the MAtrix that created TF life, just like in the G1 comics, in BM they just separated the MAtrix from the Allspark, saying that the Matrix is kinda part of the Allspark, kinda like the portal the the Allspark.

Bumblethumper wrote:When? As of the Transformers Movie, and Transformers Animated, I haven't heard any mention of the matrix. It's all about this fecking 'allspark' now.

So...you haven't paid attention to anything between G1 and the new movie? The Matrix was repeatedly mentioned in RID and the Unicron Trilogy.

Bumblethumper wrote:I make no distinction between BW and BM. I've avoided them at all costs.

Really? Because BW was MILES ahead of G1. It ws way darker, and much more mature.

Bumblethumper wrote:Out of nowhere it's become like this big central MacGuffin used to explain away any and all plot holes.

Wait, wasn't the Matrix only ever used as a Deus Ex Machina in G1?

Shadowman wrote:
So...you haven't paid attention to anything between G1 and the new movie? The Matrix was repeatedly mentioned in RID and the Unicron Trilogy.

I tried. They were unwatchable.

Shadowman wrote:

Bumblethumper wrote:I make no distinction between BW and BM. I've avoided them at all costs.

Really? Because BW was MILES ahead of G1. It ws way darker, and much more mature.

I've heard some people say this, but that ship has sailed, and I'm not interested in going back and seeing what I may have missed out on. The hideous CG and animalformers were too much of a turn-off, plus I had better things to be doing in my teenage years.

Shadowman wrote:Wait, wasn't the Matrix only ever used as a Deus Ex Machina in G1?

well, you got me there. But I think in G1, it was used more to give a sense of history, whereas 'the allSpark' is used to create all manner of new characters at will. Still, none of that stuff matters. For me 'the allspark' is just one of those things I just don't accept.

Yeah, I know how you feel, in the exact opposite way. G1 was crap. Between terrible animation horrible writing, I have trouble watching any episode all the way through.

As for Beast Wars animation, there were only two CGI shows out at the time, and the other was ReBoot, so I don't know where you're getting "Horrible CGI" from. In fact, here has only been one good CGI series since, and it was Storm Hawks. (Matt Hill FTW)

Well I'm afraid I just don't rate any of the ninties CG series(Reboot etc) as being remotely passable. Even at the time that stuff looked bad. The technology just wasn't ready, and they lacked the artistry to make up for that.

I don't rate the G1 tv show highly either, I mostly grew up on the Furman UK comics.

=> My fave CG animated show.

Bumblethumper wrote:Well I'm afraid I just don't rate any of the ninties CG series(Reboot etc) as being remotely passable. Even at the time that stuff looked bad. The technology just wasn't ready, and they lacked the artistry to make up for that.

Which is why it won an Emmy.

Bumblethumper wrote:I don't rate the G1 tv show highly either, I mostly grew up on the Furman UK comics.

Simon Furman was a writer for Beast Wars...

Bumblethumper wrote:=> My fave CG animated show.

Wow, I can't believe how little of that I watched. (Hint: Two seconds)

Shadowman wrote:

Bumblethumper wrote:Well I'm afraid I just don't rate any of the ninties CG series(Reboot etc) as being remotely passable. Even at the time that stuff looked bad. The technology just wasn't ready, and they lacked the artistry to make up for that.

Which is why it won an Emmy.

I speak strictly in terms of the quality of the visuals. I don't care that the production designer won an emmy. All of those 90s mainframe tv shows had unappealing designs, and cold lifeless sterile geometry. It's like watching a show made up of video game cinematics.

I don't doubt that by tv standards there may have been good writing, but between the murky, poorly-lit animation and a premise which lacks the basic appeal and simplicity of G1, I've just never been interested. Sorry.

Shadowman wrote:

Bumblethumper wrote:=> My fave CG animated show.

Wow, I can't believe how little of that I watched. (Hint: Two seconds)

If you're at all interested in well timed, well posed, inventive, expressive animation, you might enjoy it. It's cutesy-poo stuff, but with lots of win and just a few minutes long. If well-timed, expressive animation isn't your thing, that's okay.

There's some HUGE missinterpretation going on here. There was NEVER an "Allspark" in Beast Wars or Beast Machines. What was said is that "All sparks would eventually join the Matrix" but there was no secred object called the "Allspark".

In the Beast Erra and in G1 it was Vector Sigma that gave Transformers life. That idea wasn't changed into the "Allspark" untill the 2007 movie.

Beast Wars was the series that first introduced the fact that Transformers have "Sparks" and that idea has been in Transformers ever sence. At the end of any Transformer's life their spark would join the Matrix. This aspect of the Matrix is entirely different than in G1 where it seems only the Matrix Barrers would join it. The Matrix itself was portraied entirely different as a place rather than an object as the original Object was shown as just a caseing for Prime's spark.

It's possible whoever added the "Allspark" as an all powerfull object in the movie got the idea by the same missinterpritation you got from Beast Wars/Machines but I assure you the "AllSpark" as a life giving object didn't exsist till 2007.

Nekoman wrote:

Eradicator wrote:

Thinktank wrote:What I don't get is; If the show is so terrible and 74MX0r5
then why do folks who have consistently dogged keep watching it?

If you do not enjoy the show, save yourself 7 hours of your life
and do something else more constructive than boring those who do
enjoy it with all this bile.

Just my 2 cents.

QFT! I completely agree.

But when it gets down to it comments like that aren’t fair. I bet the majority of those who say I shouldn’t be posting my opinion have badmouthed the movie Swindle toy in threads about him.

How would it be an interesting conversation if people just keep coming up saying the same thing? I’m sorry if I’m being a party pooper or “ruining” your one sided discussions, but I have as much right to post my opinion as the next guy.

No one ever gives me an example of why I’m wrong or why this is a good show, instead I get told that I should quit watching the show or in other words “I disagree with you, and so does the majority so you shouldn’t post your opinion.”.

It’s the unsaid rule that if you don’t agree with the crowd you cant post.

I seriously think you guys need to calm down and respect my opinion, rather than tell me why I should quit posting it.

At first I was thinking "well he is entitled to his opinion..."
but then I see this:

Nekoman wrote:Easy.

Animated.

Animated so far has been from what I can tell a general failure, like it or not. First, the show sucks bad, one of the worst television programs I have ever seen. Its getting moved to six in the morning on a Monday which screams ratings drop to me. Then the toys, they look like they’ll be decent but they’re coming out seven months after the show first started airing? That’s more than half a year!

To me it feels like “Hey guys, have you seen that Ben Ten? Kids love that crap! Which gives me the idea… Transformers + style of popular kids show + ??? = big success!”

I think animated is easily the worst transformers related thing ever. With the combination of some backwards marketing and a horrible concept, I get the feeling we’ll be seeing some dusty cards out there…

Over, and over, and over. We get it. You don't like TFA.
yet strangely you keep watching it... Do you not see the
inherent lack of logic in this?

Saber Prime wrote:There's some HUGE missinterpretation going on here. There was NEVER an "Allspark" in Beast Wars or Beast Machines. What was said is that "All sparks would eventually join the Matrix" but there was no secred object called the "Allspark".

In the Beast Erra and in G1 it was Vector Sigma that gave Transformers life. That idea wasn't changed into the "Allspark" untill the 2007 movie.

Beast Wars was the series that first introduced the fact that Transformers have "Sparks" and that idea has been in Transformers ever sence. At the end of any Transformer's life their spark would join the Matrix. This aspect of the Matrix is entirely different than in G1 where it seems only the Matrix Barrers would join it. The Matrix itself was portraied entirely different as a place rather than an object as the original Object was shown as just a caseing for Prime's spark.

It's possible whoever added the "Allspark" as an all powerfull object in the movie got the idea by the same missinterpritation you got from Beast Wars/Machines but I assure you the "AllSpark" as a life giving object didn't exsist till 2007.

In BM Primal CLEARLY mentioned the Allspark numoros times.

Dead Metal wrote:

Saber Prime wrote:There's some HUGE missinterpretation going on here. There was NEVER an "Allspark" in Beast Wars or Beast Machines. What was said is that "All sparks would eventually join the Matrix" but there was no secred object called the "Allspark".

In the Beast Erra and in G1 it was Vector Sigma that gave Transformers life. That idea wasn't changed into the "Allspark" untill the 2007 movie.

Beast Wars was the series that first introduced the fact that Transformers have "Sparks" and that idea has been in Transformers ever sence. At the end of any Transformer's life their spark would join the Matrix. This aspect of the Matrix is entirely different than in G1 where it seems only the Matrix Barrers would join it. The Matrix itself was portraied entirely different as a place rather than an object as the original Object was shown as just a caseing for Prime's spark.

It's possible whoever added the "Allspark" as an all powerfull object in the movie got the idea by the same missinterpritation you got from Beast Wars/Machines but I assure you the "AllSpark" as a life giving object didn't exsist till 2007.

In BM Primal CLEARLY mentioned the Allspark numoros times.

But the BM Allspark was different to the one in the movie.





But Bumblethumper, you do have a huge misconception here, the Allspark as a replacement for the Matrix (BOTH were mentioned in BW/BM) only came about in the 2007 movie. Funny thing about transformers, it's a franchise, so when they're creating a whole new series (Animated) right after making the movie they're going to want to transfer the audience from the movie onto the cartoon. This means using similar names, locations, etc etc etc that the young audience will recognise. This means keeping the names of the main characters (Prime, Bumbblebee, Ratchet, Starscream, Megatron, and now Prowl), the item of their desire/quest (the allspark), and locations (Cybertron, Earth) very similar to the film.
So if you're going to blame anything for the over-use of the allspark, yes I guess you can blame Beast Machines for inventing the name, but if you're going to get pissed at something for it's over-use blame the fact that it's a show aimed at kids.

Justicity wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

Saber Prime wrote:There's some HUGE missinterpretation going on here. There was NEVER an "Allspark" in Beast Wars or Beast Machines. What was said is that "All sparks would eventually join the Matrix" but there was no secred object called the "Allspark".

In the Beast Erra and in G1 it was Vector Sigma that gave Transformers life. That idea wasn't changed into the "Allspark" untill the 2007 movie.

Beast Wars was the series that first introduced the fact that Transformers have "Sparks" and that idea has been in Transformers ever sence. At the end of any Transformer's life their spark would join the Matrix. This aspect of the Matrix is entirely different than in G1 where it seems only the Matrix Barrers would join it. The Matrix itself was portraied entirely different as a place rather than an object as the original Object was shown as just a caseing for Prime's spark.

It's possible whoever added the "Allspark" as an all powerfull object in the movie got the idea by the same missinterpritation you got from Beast Wars/Machines but I assure you the "AllSpark" as a life giving object didn't exsist till 2007.

In BM Primal CLEARLY mentioned the Allspark numoros times.

But the BM Allspark was different to the one in the movie.





But Bumblethumper, you do have a huge misconception here, the Allspark as a replacement for the Matrix (BOTH were mentioned in BW/BM) only came about in the 2007 movie. Funny thing about transformers, it's a franchise, so when they're creating a whole new series (Animated) right after making the movie they're going to want to transfer the audience from the movie onto the cartoon. This means using similar names, locations, etc etc etc that the young audience will recognise. This means keeping the names of the main characters (Prime, Bumbblebee, Ratchet, Starscream, Megatron, and now Prowl), the item of their desire/quest (the allspark), and locations (Cybertron, Earth) very similar to the film.
So if you're going to blame anything for the over-use of the allspark, yes I guess you can blame Beast Machines for inventing the name, but if you're going to get pissed at something for it's over-use blame the fact that it's a show aimed at kids.

I know it was different, it was more like the afterlife in BM, while the Matrix was the life giving thing and the portal to the after life.

Oh and I think the Animation in BW and BM was good, it keep improving every cupple of episodes and I don't think it's alf of an eye saw as TF Animated, yet I still like TFA and watch it.

The Matrix has never been used as a life giving object. (Unless you want to count the AllSpark in Animated because it does kind of look like the Matrix)

And now I want some proof here. Link me to an episode where Optimus Primal mentions the "Allspark" I don't belive it exsists. I've seen every episode of Beast Wars and Beast Machines and I don't remember any talk of any "Allspark" just that "All Sparks" would eventually join the Matrix. I know he was refering to Sparks as a source of TF sence the plot of the series had to do with finding them but he was refering to Sparks that had been removed from Transformers and stored somewhere by Megatron who later tried to eat them. There's a HUGE difference between what a Spark is and what the Allspark is.

Beast Wars and Beast Machines created Sparks, not the Allspark. That was invented by the 2007 movie.

Saber Prime wrote:The Matrix has never been used as a life giving object. (Unless you want to count the AllSpark in Animated because it does kind of look like the Matrix)

Wasn't it used to do all that in the comics?