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MM should be around $100-$120. The truck with trailer will be around 2.5 times the length of the cars. All the combiner bits will be part of trailer.

Banjo-Tron wrote:It sounds daft but I'm more bothered that the FP Stunticons are not in scale with the FP Combaticons - does this mean that FP Menasor will be taller than FP Bruticus?

To be fair, Explorer and Munitioner were replacing Hasbro scout figures. I'm sure if they had been releasing a completely original Bruticus set, things would have been upsized.

These appear to be in scale with their Insecticons, the Warbot releases, and MT Giant figures.

DevastaTTor wrote:

Banjo-Tron wrote:It sounds daft but I'm more bothered that the FP Stunticons are not in scale with the FP Combaticons - does this mean that FP Menasor will be taller than FP Bruticus?

To be fair, Explorer and Munitioner were replacing Hasbro scout figures. I'm sure if they had been releasing a completely original Bruticus set, things would have been upsized.

These appear to be in scale with their Insecticons, the Warbot releases, and MT Giant figures.

I understand that I don't think that Menasor should be taller than Bruticus, and I hope that isn't the case, as it will make FP-augmented Superion look even sillier.

MT Giant figures seem FAR larger than these guys. I saw a comparison pic with one of them.

But that doesn't mean too much. With everything folding up and the fact that Menasor's hunching over, we don't know how well Bruticus will scale with Menasor. But FP's not run by idiots. Chances are they have them scaled well.

Edit:

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transform ... d-405.html

There's a pic there that shows a probably attachment for the limbs in combined mode. Someone with Photoshop may be able to figure out how well this scales with Bruticus with the right picture.

Can't say i'm too bothered about the scale next to Bruticus the way things are there's probably a new one right round the corner , when it comes to combiner scale wouldn't Menasor be the smallest one anyway being 4 cars n a lorry.

mbd88prime wrote:is prime wildrider really that color? i thought he was a bluish tint?

Thats Dark Energon Wheeljack, not WR

daimchoc wrote:

Sorry to join the conversation so late. Who is that all the way on the left, in back?
I'm new to Fansproject, though they're quickly attacking my bank account.

hpfabe wrote:

daimchoc wrote:

Sorry to join the conversation so late. Who is that all the way on the left, in back?
I'm new to Fansproject, though they're quickly attacking my bank account.

Welcome to the thread.


That's Maketoys Chaos/Palladin (MB-01C) - http://maketoys.jp/MB01C.html

hpfabe wrote:

daimchoc wrote:

So how tall is that broadside? doesn't look to bad of a scale for motormaster

Gauntlet101010 wrote:MT Giant figures seem FAR larger than these guys. I saw a comparison pic with one of them.

But that doesn't mean too much. With everything folding up and the fact that Menasor's hunching over, we don't know how well Bruticus will scale with Menasor. But FP's not run by idiots. Chances are they have them scaled well.

Edit:

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transform ... d-405.html

There's a pic there that shows a probably attachment for the limbs in combined mode. Someone with Photoshop may be able to figure out how well this scales with Bruticus with the right picture.

After seeing this image Motormaster might actually be a tractor/trailer not a furniture removal type of truck. Im wondering if Motormasters trailer part will be able to hold a couple of the cars or maybe all of them in alt mode or will it be all parts formed like the City Commander trailer. Thats if it is a trailer

daimchoc wrote:

hpfabe wrote:

daimchoc wrote:

Sorry to join the conversation so late. Who is that all the way on the left, in back?
I'm new to Fansproject, though they're quickly attacking my bank account.

Welcome to the thread.


That's Maketoys Chaos/Palladin (MB-01C) - http://maketoys.jp/MB01C.html

Thanks, daimchoc. So, it's a 3rd party Fallen? Thanks.
Right now, I've starting to delve into Fansproject (preordered the 2 not-Stunticons, as well as the new re-release of the Ultra Magnus add-on armor for Classics/Henkei Ultra Magnus), as well as Perfect Effect (ordered the pink and blue not-Arcee bikes).

daimchoc wrote:c/o archieboy of tfw2005

i meant the pic with prime wildrider in it not wheeljack. it shows prime wildrider here as silver i thought he had a bluish tint

I'm not really bothered by the scale.

Is this comparison right i thought car crash would have been about the same size as the giant figures. the stunticons can't be that small can they.

Stormrider wrote:I'm not really bothered by the scale.

Im with you on this one scales no bother. Its The Stunticons and a Gesalt as well got to be happy with that

Just cancelled my pre-orders. It was the car mode comparison combined with a lack of images of Motormaster and Menasor that did it. I can look past car modes that are slightly too small if Menasor is the right size for my collection, but I refuse to lock myself into buying these guys without knowing exactly what we are getting.

Will wait and see what images are released in the next week or so.

Arctorro wrote:Just cancelled my pre-orders. It was the car mode comparison combined with a lack of images of Motormaster and Menasor that did it. I can look past car modes that are slightly too small if Menasor is the right size for my collection, but I refuse to lock myself into buying these guys without knowing exactly what we are getting.

Will wait and see what images are released in the next week or so.

Yeah definitely time to show us the big guy now even unpainted i don't care iv'e paid for two i want to know how awesome this is gonna be .

Autobot Genocide wrote:

Arctorro wrote:Just cancelled my pre-orders. It was the car mode comparison combined with a lack of images of Motormaster and Menasor that did it. I can look past car modes that are slightly too small if Menasor is the right size for my collection, but I refuse to lock myself into buying these guys without knowing exactly what we are getting.

Will wait and see what images are released in the next week or so.

Yeah definitely time to show us the big guy now even unpainted i don't care iv'e paid for two i want to know how awesome this is gonna be .

I'm still all in on this but you just know some dude @FP is kicking himself right now thinking "I KNEW those fanboys would hate the different takes on Deadend and Dragstrip, I just knew it!!!" .

Thankfully my preorders were through BBTS so I haven't paid for anything yet. I expect pics of Motormaster and Menasor to show up before not-Breakdown starts shipping.

xyl360 wrote:I'm still all in on this but you just know some dude @FP is kicking himself right now thinking "I KNEW those fanboys would hate the different takes on Deadend and Dragstrip, I just knew it!!!" .

I like the look of both Deadend and Dragstrip myself

xyl360 wrote:Thankfully my preorders were through BBTS so I haven't paid for anything yet. I expect pics of Motormaster and Menasor to show up before not-Breakdown starts shipping.

Autobot Genocide wrote:Yeah definitely time to show us the big guy now even unpainted i don't care iv'e paid for two i want to know how awesome this is gonna be .

They definitely need to show us Motormaster and Menasor before Breakdown ships, but I'm worried that's not going to happen...

TFC did it the right way by showing Silverbolt 3rd so we could get a good look at what they had done without revealing everything right away. I'm beginning to think that FP need to have a look at the way they do things

Speaking of TFC, there is a good chance they will be doing their own Stunticons in the near future. As someone who has gone with their previous gestalt offerings I'm wondering if I should wait and see, but don't want to risk missing out on this set if it turns out to be the best one

Arctorro wrote:I like the look of both Deadend and Dragstrip myself

Ah, I was under the impression that you had reservations about the final product because of those 2, my bad .

Arctorro wrote:TFC did it the right way by showing Silverbolt 3rd so we could get a good look at what they had done without revealing everything right away. I'm beginning to think that FP need to have a look at the way they do things

Agreed, but of course TFC does actually have (slightly ) more experience than FP when it comes to combiners (full combiners, not add-on sets).

Arctorro wrote:Speaking of TFC, there is a good chance they will be doing their own Stunticons in the near future. As someone who has gone with their previous gestalt offerings I'm wondering if I should wait and see, but don't want to risk missing out on this set if it turns out to be the best one

Really? I hadn't heard anything about them doing the Stunticons (not that it would surprise me, they've done at least some kind of concept art for nearly every other combiner). If TFC does one and it ends up good, I'll just get it as well. I really like what FP has done with these so far and they're worth it for the vehicle modes alone IMO and I'm sure their Menasor will look just fine. FP knows what picky bastards we fans can be (though why people to this day defend that dreadful attempt at Superion of theirs, I will never know . It's not a bad add-on kit, but it sure hell is NOT G1 Superion or anything close).

xyl360 wrote:

Arctorro wrote:I like the look of both Deadend and Dragstrip myself

Ah, I was under the impression that you had reservations about the final product because of those 2, my bad .

I probably wasn't clear enough!

xyl360 wrote:

Arctorro wrote:TFC did it the right way by showing Silverbolt 3rd so we could get a good look at what they had done without revealing everything right away. I'm beginning to think that FP need to have a look at the way they do things

Agreed, but of course TFC does actually have (slightly ) more experience than FP when it comes to combiners (full combiners, not add-on sets).

Very true, if they do another set hopefully they will learn from this.

xyl360 wrote:

Arctorro wrote:Speaking of TFC, there is a good chance they will be doing their own Stunticons in the near future. As someone who has gone with their previous gestalt offerings I'm wondering if I should wait and see, but don't want to risk missing out on this set if it turns out to be the best one

Really? I hadn't heard anything about them doing the Stunticons (not that it would surprise me, they've done at least some kind of concept art for nearly every other combiner). If TFC does one and it ends up good, I'll just get it as well. I really like what FP has done with these so far and they're worth it for the vehicle modes alone IMO and I'm sure their Menasor will look just fine. FP knows what picky bastards we fans can be (though why people to this day defend that dreadful attempt at Superion of theirs, I will never know . It's not a bad add-on kit, but it sure hell is NOT G1 Superion or anything close).

As far as I know they haven't said anything, just a good chance of them doing their own version. Though the price of a TFC version might be reason enough to go with FP

I feel the add-on kits are nice enough, they enhance good combiner teams, but they are not (for me at least) neo-classics teams and like you I can't understand why people defend them so strongly. My selves need bigger gestalts, which is why I'm suddenly cautious about these guys. Breakdown's vehicle mode comparison didn't fill me with confidence.

The scale seems okay to me. I mean, I would certainly like it if they were a bit larger in both modes (really just a head taller is all I would want from robot mode), but I don't think they're horrifically small. They are certainly larger than Cyberverse figures, as well as the scout-ish sized not-Swindle and not-Blast Off from FP. And they look to be on par with HasTak's smaller deluxes [in robot mode] though not as hollow. As for the vehicle modes, I think it's a partly the fact that TFs are supposed to look proportionally larger in robot mode, so making the alt modes large would require chunky looking kibble instead of what appears to be some nicely handled car-bits.

Really though it looks like the not-Stunticons will be in proper proportion to recent FP releases as well as Giant/Hercules. Seriously, construction vehicles tend to be much larger than sports cars. Regardless of any cheats to get the combined forms on equal ground, the individual Constructicons should be larger than the individual Stunticon cars.

Of course I think the most important thing about scale is how the car-bots will scale with not-Motormaster and how all of them compare to not-Menasor.

Arctorro wrote:Just cancelled my pre-orders. It was the car mode comparison combined with a lack of images of Motormaster and Menasor that did it. I can look past car modes that are slightly too small if Menasor is the right size for my collection, but I refuse to lock myself into buying these guys without knowing exactly what we are getting.

Will wait and see what images are released in the next week or so.

Fair enough dude you don't want to put your hard earned money onto something you haven't seen yet especially if your going to be disappointed by it in the end

In regards to defending FP's Superion and Bruticus add-ons, it's probably because they were pretty great add-ons and hold a special place in people's hearts.

I think RotF Superion upgraded is a decent Superion, but he looks worse after each new 3rd party Combiner. They all up the game in new ways. Colossus with his obvious, marked improvement, Giant with it's great engeneering, and Herc also with great engeneering and size, and now MMC"s Predaking with it's immense detail. RotF Superion with add-ons just looks worse and worse, as do the official parts of Colossus.

Anyway, I tried to digibash an estimate on how high Menasor would be to Colossus using a series of pictures to get size comparisons (including someone's idea on where Dead end would fit), but Menasor wound up being over a head taller (from head to head measurements). It didn't seem to be quite right, so I didn't post it.

I'm far from being a scale nut so I could care less, but even seeing the comments here based on an image of conjecture makes me wonder what's wrong with you guys. The limbs should be bigger, or Motormaster smaller? We're talking about four average sized street vehicles that combine with a semi cab AND trailer!

And yeah, Superion Maximus + FP addons does look like a joke compared those things that followed, at least for a technical standpoint, but even ignoring of my disdain for the aerialbots on the whole I just find it's look and simplicity charming versus the blockfest of something more g1 accurate.