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Blurrz wrote:Booooooooooooooo. This is terrible. This is like releasing the Henkei seekers.
gleek wrote:I disagree with people who say that Fans Project should've communicated this or Fans Project "should be made to pay" etc etc. If they were dishonest, then fine. But there's no saying they were, or this is a decision that wasn't made very recently.
I buy the toys because I like them. It's nice if they increase in value, but like any "investment" the potential for decrease is always there. I paid $200+ for an original eHobby Sunstorm only to now see reissues that are going to go for half that (and I immediately took it out of the box and played with it, thereby killing much of the value right there anyway). Same deal with my G1 Predaking which I pieced together years ago off eBay and wound up ultimately paying far more than the reissue sets are now selling for. And I just paid $250 for G1 Star Saber and if that gets reissued too, then the value of that toy will drop for me as well.
[shrug] There is no guarantee that any investment will result in a net gain in value. And people who get all sore because the value of their BotCon seekers are dropping in price because of the Henkei ones, well those people are being really selfish and are essentially demanding that toy manufacturers should give greater consideration to collectors' investment than in producing and releasing toys that their fans will enjoy.
BWDinobot wrote:I think this is great news should it be true. Are people going to be mad? Of course. But we as fans should have a better outlook on this. If Powered Commander is to see a wider release it allows more fans to obtain a great set. Yeah it sucks that so many paid so much for the TFCon release. However that great response to the set helped to prompt a possible mass release so on that thought everyone that purchased it helped to bring it to fans that could not obtain it. I would say thank you to those fans. I bought the botcon 2007 set(mainly for the seekers) none of my fellow fans could afford it. But when the Henkei versions were annouced I said great now my friends and fellow fans can complete the seeker sets. Bottom line it always sucks when you feel you overpaid or got cheated out of the exclusiveness of a figure but I dont buy my TF's with value or exclusiveness in mind I buy them because I am a fan of Transformers.
Chaoslock wrote:Yes, it is allways terrible to release a set for those who couldn't afford the trip to a convention to the other end of the world and make it available not only through scalpers.
GetterDragun wrote:
... being a fan of Transformers make you entitled to having every one.
GreenLantern of Cybertron wrote:
my guess is that Kapowtoys bought the left over commanders.
GreenLantern of Cybertron wrote:this was posted by FP_Day (presumably someone who works at fans project) on tfw2005.com's thread about this:
"First of all THANK YOU for those who supporting us since the beginning and
we are SORRY if we disappoint anyone in anyway.
Re-paint were never our first intention. Every day we receive e-mail asking if
we are/can re-release CJ upgrade kit,CC and PC. We tried to improve our
work every time. People might say/think that we only change a little here
and off we go and have something new to make more money. It take us a long
time to design and do color tuning...etc for every project. Because we are just
a small fans group. We need to pay to have some of the work done for us
and most of the thing cost us starting at the thousand dollar mark. For
example: the plug cover include with SC. No one will display the SC backward.
So which mean "most" people will just leave them in the bag. But if there a chance
which make ONE fan who mind the hole in the back. We will do it and make it prefect.
Being a true fan and collector. We take every small parts carefully.
Another example is the power-cube case which only available with the TFcon
PC. We only included 7 power-cube in the case. WHY? Because in the
instruction booklet one power-cube were use.
For the mold:
Yes, it's destroy. This is between agreement by different party to
prevent counterfeit and to maintain a high quality control. Every project
start new. That's why we are making small to no money for every project.
Even if we make some money, they will all end up for the next project.
Seeing the price goes higher everyday:
We do feel happy in the beginning knowing how much people like our project, But
it upset us more in a way. Not that we should release more in the first
place. Not that we should sell it higher in the first place. It is that
knowing people has to pay more or can no longer afford to enjoy our work.
Please, we are Fansproject. All project are start by Fans for Fans. If
anyone has comment please let us know as we are trying to learn and improve. "
I couldnt tell if he said its being re-released or not, but i heard "For the mold:
Yes, it's destroy" in there.
heres a link to the post: http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/classics-11/fansproject-powered-commander-to-be-reissued-with-chrome-167539/page4.html
Blurrz wrote:For the people who don't realize the gravity of this.. let's just put it in another context...
Let's take Botcon 09 Kup and his Wings of Honor buddies. I'm pretty sure many people here would go to the 'Con simply just to get the figures.. either to sell them on the secondary market for massive dollars, or have them as they are 'exclusives'. If they were released on the secondary market and not Botcon, as basic Universe repaints, I'm pretty sure their popularity would be really low. No one really likes repaints. But that isn't the case. They are exclusives. So, what if Henkei released Kup and his Wings of Honor buddies? I'm pretty sure most of the people who went to Botcon would be livid.
It has barely been 3 weeks since TFCON, and we then we all find out that Powered Commander will be released by Henkei as a mass-release. There are people who bought the toy as an exclusive. They are pissed as hell. There are people who used Powered Commander as an investment. They are pissed as hell. There are people who went to the TFCon from other countries other than Canada, probably just got their passport renewed or acquired.. and this is what they get? They are probably pissed as hell too. Then there's a majority of people who bought Powered Commander off the secondary market. Wow, they are pretty angry too.
While 97% of the Transformers fandom have yet to acquire Powered Commander, we still have to respect the people who got Powered Commander from TFCon, and realize that FansProject did not pull a good move, they pulled a bitch move. The Henkei Powered Commander will be different from TFCon, it's still a Powered Commander, and still a low blow at getting money.
omega666 wrote:
If people want to pay a **** load of money for "exclusives", that is their problem. I don't see the value of getting a $10 ugly toy for $200 so I would never buy it. If I can get a different version that is cheaper, then hell yeah I'll get it. If they still love their "exclusives" so much they shouldn't care how much they paid.
Blurrz wrote:For the people who don't realize the gravity of this.. let's just put it in another context...
Let's take Botcon 09 Kup and his Wings of Honor buddies. I'm pretty sure many people here would go to the 'Con simply just to get the figures.. either to sell them on the secondary market for massive dollars, or have them as they are 'exclusives'. If they were released on the secondary market and not Botcon, as basic Universe repaints, I'm pretty sure their popularity would be really low. No one really likes repaints. But that isn't the case. They are exclusives. So, what if Henkei released Kup and his Wings of Honor buddies? I'm pretty sure most of the people who went to Botcon would be livid.
It has barely been 3 weeks since TFCON, and we then we all find out that Powered Commander will be released by Henkei as a mass-release. There are people who bought the toy as an exclusive. They are pissed as hell. There are people who used Powered Commander as an investment. They are pissed as hell. There are people who went to the TFCon from other countries other than Canada, probably just got their passport renewed or acquired.. and this is what they get? They are probably pissed as hell too. Then there's a majority of people who bought Powered Commander off the secondary market. Wow, they are pretty angry too.
While 97% of the Transformers fandom have yet to acquire Powered Commander, we still have to respect the people who got Powered Commander from TFCon, and realize that FansProject did not pull a good move, they pulled a bitch move. The Henkei Powered Commander will be different from TFCon, it's still a Powered Commander, and still a low blow at getting money.
omega666 wrote:Blurrz wrote:For the people who don't realize the gravity of this.. let's just put it in another context...
Let's take Botcon 09 Kup and his Wings of Honor buddies. I'm pretty sure many people here would go to the 'Con simply just to get the figures.. either to sell them on the secondary market for massive dollars, or have them as they are 'exclusives'. If they were released on the secondary market and not Botcon, as basic Universe repaints, I'm pretty sure their popularity would be really low. No one really likes repaints. But that isn't the case. They are exclusives. So, what if Henkei released Kup and his Wings of Honor buddies? I'm pretty sure most of the people who went to Botcon would be livid.
It has barely been 3 weeks since TFCON, and we then we all find out that Powered Commander will be released by Henkei as a mass-release. There are people who bought the toy as an exclusive. They are pissed as hell. There are people who used Powered Commander as an investment. They are pissed as hell. There are people who went to the TFCon from other countries other than Canada, probably just got their passport renewed or acquired.. and this is what they get? They are probably pissed as hell too. Then there's a majority of people who bought Powered Commander off the secondary market. Wow, they are pretty angry too.
While 97% of the Transformers fandom have yet to acquire Powered Commander, we still have to respect the people who got Powered Commander from TFCon, and realize that FansProject did not pull a good move, they pulled a bitch move. The Henkei Powered Commander will be different from TFCon, it's still a Powered Commander, and still a low blow at getting money.
If people want to pay a **** load of money for "exclusives", that is their problem. I don't see the value of getting a $10 ugly toy for $200 so I would never buy it. If I can get a different version that is cheaper, then hell yeah I'll get it. If they still love their "exclusives" so much they shouldn't care how much they paid.
mzh wrote:[http://www.tfcon.ca/
Latest TFcon News: May 11th - We at TFcon wish to extend an apology to any attendees or fans who feel slighted by recent events concerning the release of a Henkei Commander Set. We at TFcon were unaware of any intention of FansProject to release the set (with or without changes), and had been informed that this colour scheme would be exclusive to our convention. We regret that this is not the case, and hope that the actions of FansProject will not reflect poorly on our show, as they are outside of our control.]
Ahhh, I'm so conflicted. Suspect business ethics..but great looking figures!
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