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by **Skritz** » Sat Mar 14, 2020 11:41 am

Man, Stealth Bomber IDW Megatron was such an amazing. It deserved a Voyager or Leader-class figure, not some ridiculously tiny and flimsy deluxe.

by **ZeldaTheSwordsman** » Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:02 pm

Well, there were a lot more Deluxe slots than there were Voyager slots, and Jetfire claimed the Leader slot - which was the first Leader slot we ever had in CHUG (previously we'd never gone above Ultra and most of what we had was Deluxes and occasional Voyagers). There's also the fact that a Deluxe lends itself better to repaint milking, of course.
They could have done a Leader version in Combiner Wars, but I'm guessing it was no longer anywhere near current (and Hasbro probably wanted to go with what they saw as the surer bet, a more traditional G1 Megs).

News Credits: 20 · by **-Kanrabat-** » Sat Mar 14, 2020 1:16 pm

Skritz wrote:Man, Stealth Bomber IDW Megatron was such an amazing. It deserved a Voyager or Leader-class figure, not some ridiculously tiny and flimsy deluxe.

Well, 3P got that covered.
But it would have been nice to see a an official leader.

by **Skritz** » Sat Mar 14, 2020 3:48 pm

I get the reasoning I'm just saying its an excellent design (both as a character design and basic toy transformation scheme) and its a shame Hasbro will probably never touch it again.

News Credits: 20 · by **-Kanrabat-** » Sat Mar 14, 2020 5:30 pm

Skritz wrote:I get the reasoning I'm just saying its an excellent design (both as a character design and basic toy transformation scheme) and its a shame Hasbro will probably never touch it again.

I don't know about that.
Never say never.

by **ZeldaTheSwordsman** » Fri Apr 03, 2020 8:35 pm

Actually, Hasbro probably never SHOULD touch it again, and the molds for the time they did should be destroyed. Similarly, this kit should be canceled and destroyed. That or receive an enormous price hike to compensate Don Figeueroa not only for this use of the design but also for Andy Schmidt stealing the design and Hasbro making it into a toy without credit or compensation.

News Credits: 528 · by **ZeroWolf** » Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:58 am

Why would they have to do either of those things? Hasbro clearly own the design so they can do what ever they want with it.

by **ZeldaTheSwordsman** » Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:50 am

ZeroWolf wrote:Why would they have to do either of those things? Hasbro clearly own the design so they can do what ever they want with it.

Because the design was created by Don Figueroa. Andy Schmidt said he wanted to work out a deal with Don to use it, but then stood Don up and used the design in The Transformers #13 with no compensation or credit given to Don. Hasbro then compounded the art theft by making it into a toy - also without giving compensation or credit to Don.

News Credits: 528 · by **ZeroWolf** » Sat Apr 04, 2020 3:02 am

Considering the time frame and the fact that the toy has been used three times (two Megatrons and a dreadwind) I'm going to guess that whatever legal battle (if pushed) was settled, hence why hasbro is allowing this. Also of consideration was Don working in any capacity for Hasbro at the time? They may have decided that the design already belonged to them (and if Don had signed a contract, then there is good chance that clause may have been in there). Obviously, if he wasn't then ignore that part.

Rubbish business practices? If course but it's par for the course these days in capitalism, and that's something that sending a letter to hasbro isn't going to fix as only a minority will ever care.

by **ZeldaTheSwordsman** » Sat Apr 04, 2020 3:07 am

But do you know who might care, if they're aware of the issue? Fans. Which is why I brought it up here. After all, unless a buyout happened that I don't know about I'm pretty sure that Seibertron is a fan forum, not a Hasbro comment box

News Credits: 528 · by **ZeroWolf** » Sat Apr 04, 2020 3:50 am

But do fans care? It's been almost ten years since megs debuted that form, that's been more then enough time for them to deal legal issues.
Actually I did some digging, this is a very interesting thread to read as it was discussed here before, many moons ago.
Here's the thread

News Credits: 20 · by **-Kanrabat-** » Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:02 am

One thing for sure.

I don't care for petty legal battles of any kind from whoever. And I'm pretty sure I'm in the majority.

News Credits: 1533 · by **D-Maximal_Primal** » Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:45 am

-Kanrabat- wrote:One thing for sure.

I don't care for petty legal battles of any kind from whoever. And I'm pretty sure I'm in the majority.

I'm pretty much in this boat too. If this was the original toy and time, i would care a bit more, but it has been so long now, I don't.

Also, got 5 new kits to build, and I'm going to start with Megatron and Devastator, and then go for SG Prime, Drift, and finally Skywarp

News Credits: 20 · by **-Kanrabat-** » Mon Apr 06, 2020 11:43 am

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

Also, got 5 new kits to build, and I'm going to start with Megatron and Devastator, and then go for SG Prime, Drift, and finally Skywarp

Once you're done, make sure to post pictures.
I expect hot thrusting crotch action! 8-)

by **ThunderThruster** » Tue Apr 07, 2020 3:29 pm

I'm actually torn on whether to get Skywarp or Thundercraker. I have no need or desire to get both, I'm just unsure on which I'd prefer more.

News Credits: 528 · by **ZeroWolf** » Tue Apr 07, 2020 3:36 pm

Which colour scheme do you find more eye catching?

by **ThunderThruster** » Tue Apr 07, 2020 4:24 pm

I do seem to be drawn more to Thundercracker's colour scheme in this instance.

News Credits: 1533 · by **D-Maximal_Primal** » Wed Apr 08, 2020 10:14 am

ThunderThruster wrote:I do seem to be drawn more to Thundercracker's colour scheme in this instance.

I haven't build Skywarp yet, but I have done Thundercracker and Starscream, and to me Thundercracker is the best of the 3 color wise. But again, I haven't build Skywarp yet to see the color in full

News Credits: 217 · by **Burn** » Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:10 pm

Fun fact.

These are really hard to find in Australia.

News Credits: 11 · by **Black Hat** » Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:13 pm

Burn wrote:Fun fact.

These are really hard to find in Australia.

That doesn't sound very fun to me.

News Credits: 217 · by **Burn** » Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:09 pm

If you haven't realised by now that I'm powered by pure sarcasm ... that's on you. :wink:

News Credits: 11 · by **Black Hat** » Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:10 pm

Burn wrote:If you haven't realised by now that I'm powered by pure sarcasm ... that's on you.

Oh I gathered, but "That fact is not fun" is one of my favourite stock gags and...Yeah I'll see myself out. :lol:

News Credits: 1533 · by **D-Maximal_Primal** » Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:54 pm

Burn wrote:Fun fact.

These are really hard to find in Australia.

Is there a kit that you have been trying to find in particular?

News Credits: 217 · by **Burn** » Fri Apr 10, 2020 3:06 am

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:
Burn wrote:Fun fact.

These are really hard to find in Australia.

Is there a kit that you have been trying to find in particular?

I was bored, figured it'd be something to do in my spare time between work, what with new TV shows not happening these days.

I would have gone for the seekers, but eh.

I found Metal Earth Optimus Prime in one of the unpacked boxes. I guess by the time I'm done I won't need a face mask to stop me from touching my face because my fingers won't be touching anything.

News Credits: 1533 · by **D-Maximal_Primal** » Fri Apr 10, 2020 9:34 am

Burn wrote:
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:
Burn wrote:Fun fact.

These are really hard to find in Australia.

Is there a kit that you have been trying to find in particular?

I was bored, figured it'd be something to do in my spare time between work, what with new TV shows not happening these days.

I would have gone for the seekers, but eh.

I found Metal Earth Optimus Prime in one of the unpacked boxes. I guess by the time I'm done I won't need a face mask to stop me from touching my face because my fingers won't be touching anything.

Honestly, I think their seeker mold is the weakest of the kits they have put out so far (yet I got all 3, huh) so I think you ended up doing well missing that mold