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Optimus Primevil wrote:5150 Cruiser wrote:Optimus Primevil wrote:so it's ok for the humans to capture and dissect advanced beings and not the other way around?
When did we disect any advance beings? If your referring to megatron we never decected him.
But i'll ask again, how do you plan on holding any decpticon prisoners?
chop off zee limbs, surround the area with earth's toxic waste(well if cybertron's such a hell hole now then prime won't object to the earth's governments to use it as a dumping ground now would he?) then blow off aging earth nukes when someone gets on the perimeter.
harsh, yes but movie prime's all ready ruthless.
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Optimus Primevil wrote: chop off zee limbs, surround the area with earth's toxic waste(well if cybertron's such a hell hole now then prime won't object to the earth's governments to use it as a dumping ground now would he?) then blow off aging earth nukes when someone gets on the perimeter.
harsh, yes but movie prime's all ready ruthless.
megatron was being picked off one piece at a time because he's the only specimen sector 7 had at the time. bumblebee's the one they'd tear open to see what's ticking.
Shadowman wrote:I will put forth the theory that it was the internet itself trying to punch him in the face.
Optimus Primevil wrote:you do realize it's on cybertron or are you still thinking earth? because of course it's whacked to do that plan on earth and no government would allow that on their soil to happen.
death squads all the way then
Shadowman wrote:I will put forth the theory that it was the internet itself trying to punch him in the face.
Optimus Primevil wrote: i'm sure the UN would rather imprison decepticons rather than have an armed group hunting, rounding them up and killing them all...you know like jews during world war II
Shadowman wrote:I will put forth the theory that it was the internet itself trying to punch him in the face.
Optimus Primevil wrote:1.freeze them (like sector seven did) if you're not into turning them into torsos.
2.i mentioned the UN because apparently NEST is not a global task force if they had to request a clearance to use jordanian aerospace. and the problem at the shanghai scene is do they event want to capture them or are they just there to kill them? Optimus could me a grand speech at an assembly why it is imperative to take them all out and no quarter would be given, but then he'll probably look like an genocidial maniac.
3.didn't adolf claim that jews are bringing down the germans and must be eliminated? same argument, different set of people. even if they're evil who are they (humans and autobots) to be entitled the right to genocide to a side who are for all purposes defeated militarily?
rich prime wrote:5150 Cruiser wrote:Optimus Primevil wrote:
Actually, Prime was more "G1" in the first TF movie, but ya know what? People did nothing but bitch and complain on how much of a pussy he was getting the crap beaten out of him by Megatron. So Bay & Co. responded by making him the bad ass he should be. But again, people still bitched and complained that he to violent. So please don't give this garbage that this Prime is solely based on "Bay's vision", cause that is wrong. And please get over the G1 one referenaces. This is not G1, and even when the reboot comes in several years, don't expect it to be based off G1 either.
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Optimus Primevil wrote: 1.freeze them (like sector seven did) if you're not into turning them into torsos.
Optimus Primevil wrote: 2.i mentioned the UN because apparently NEST is not a global task force if they had to request a clearance to use jordanian aerospace...
Optimus Primevil wrote:and the problem at the shanghai scene is do they event want to capture them or are they just there to kill them? Optimus could me a grand speech at an assembly why it is imperative to take them all out and no quarter would be given, but then he'll probably look like an genocidial maniac..
Optimus Primevil wrote:3.didn't adolf claim that jews are bringing down the germans and must be eliminated? same argument, different set of people. even if they're evil who are they (humans and autobots) to be entitled the right to genocide to a side who are for all purposes defeated militarily?
Shadowman wrote:I will put forth the theory that it was the internet itself trying to punch him in the face.
Optimus Primevil wrote: 1a. so the bots can't freeze the decepticons themselves? i would've suggested they'd supply the humans with better freezing tech but then optimus might object because the humans would probably weaponize it.
Optimus Primevil wrote:2a. that's the point, the UN would have more clearance to go to places because at least, on paper, they're neutral. the UN would have better chance to go to cuba than NATO or the US can..
Optimus Primevil wrote: 3a. if he has such experience, then why did optimus chose the path that lead to a lot of collateral damage?..
Optimus Primevil wrote: 1b.nationalism practically needs a threat to focus their attention against, real or otherwise. what or whoever disagrees with them is their enemy. freedom fries anyone? besides, if based on the estimated wealth the germans took from the jews, it was a die hard 1 style misdirection, incite the populace with hatred and take the targets wealth.
Optimus Primevil wrote: 2b.so what makes them different from the conquistadors? the rubber barons? white traffickers. humans being inhumane to humans, you'd expect nonhumans to be humane to humans? especially if one of their leaders were abused by humans(what was the fallen's reason for hating humans again?)? .
Optimus Primevil wrote: heck they didn't even want to admit that he's sentient hence the insistence they call him N.B.E.1
3b. so a human teaching decepticons to be ruthless ok with you?.
Optimus Primevil wrote: so genocide is ok with you as long as to save another species?
Red 50 wrote:I think I agree with 5150 Cruiser.
Shadowman wrote:I will put forth the theory that it was the internet itself trying to punch him in the face.
Optimus Primevil wrote:1a. it all the insta-powers RoTF had, no one thought of having a transformer capable of freezing abilities?.
2a. can't it be a closed door meeting? if the decepticons are such a threat then why inform only a few that there is such a threat?
3a. if you listen at prime's line to a fallen demolishor, optimus had no plans to let them live at all, hence why can't they have a sniper unit take them down rather than send an combat unit to drag the fight as long as it did. moviewise that would suck, real life it's practical. prime don't have the experience to think of such a plan?
4. so when adolf uses that arguement it's bad but when optimus does it, it's good? it's like torture and WMDs it's either bad or not, you don't go renaming it to "weapons of mass protection" or "whatever the US is calling torture".
5. allspark fell on earth, megs could've just taken it but got skyfired and humans picked off pieces of him to make "earth" tech while being aware and not being able to do anything. if megatron had no hatred of humans when he came here, he did now. the fallen would've killed us anyway if the sun harvester was on mercury, the rule of the primes was that never put the darn thing on a planet with life.
No he doesn't, cause the decepticons were doing far worse to humans long before him. Heck, the Cons even turned against their own human conspirators and had Lazerbeak kill them all.6.so dylan gould doesn't count?
7. they're protecting theirs by trying to get the allspark and turn the darn machine on
Shadowman wrote:I will put forth the theory that it was the internet itself trying to punch him in the face.
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