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Phategod1 wrote:I watched Captain America last week, and there's a scene that I find that perfectly explains the nature of G1 Optimus, Optimus Primal, and even the Optimus in Transformers Prime, When Stanley Tucci's character asks Steve Rodgers (captain America) if he wants to just Kill Nazi's Steve's (captain America's) response is "I don't want to kill anyone I just hate bullies". This is what Bay's Prime fails to capture, Bays Prime believes the only good threat is a dead threat. Its kind of hypocritical to say freedom is right of all sentient life but only if your an autobot and agree with me and the way I do things.
Bays prime does not take prisoners, and kills wounded enemies, that does not sound noble at all.
Optimus Primevil wrote:Phategod1 wrote:I watched Captain America last week, and there's a scene that I find that perfectly explains the nature of G1 Optimus, Optimus Primal, and even the Optimus in Transformers Prime, When Stanley Tucci's character asks Steve Rodgers (captain America) if he wants to just Kill Nazi's Steve's (captain America's) response is "I don't want to kill anyone I just hate bullies". This is what Bay's Prime fails to capture, Bays Prime believes the only good threat is a dead threat. Its kind of hypocritical to say freedom is right of all sentient life but only if your an autobot and agree with me and the way I do things.
Bays prime does not take prisoners, and kills wounded enemies, that does not sound noble at all.
cap takes it a bit further after bucky gets killedthat he won't stop until all of hydra is killed or CAPTURED, so even after all the things hydra did, he was still willing to give them some mercy.
NewFoundStarscreamLuv wrote:me and my friends combine all the time. Sometimes I even combine by myself if no one is around.
Optimus Primevil wrote:@4. so in insane troll logic, is optimus using us to justify the extinction of the decepticons? and yes, i believe they can be saved but how can you save them if you kill them all? oh it's wrong to execute a weaponsmith but it's ok to execute someone missing most of his face, and body.
@5. so who scanned the planet? pretty sloppy for them to have built the darn thing and ready to go then some humanoids show up at the grand opening. and about megs, it was pretty obvious something's not right with him if he can't even fly straight, sector seven might not have picked him ALL off but they probably took SOMETHING off to make the stuff simmons said they produced thanks to NBE-1.
@7 is it greed or impatience? since they already had a complete machine set up, wouldn't it be a shame to not use it? besides, if the fallen is such an unworthy fellow, then the matrix would be turned into magic dust and he can't turn it on anyway. the fact that the fallen can use the matrix means he is worthy of leadership, just not the leader you like.
Evil_the_Nub wrote:Optimus Primevil wrote:Phategod1 wrote:I watched Captain America last week, and there's a scene that I find that perfectly explains the nature of G1 Optimus, Optimus Primal, and even the Optimus in Transformers Prime, When Stanley Tucci's character asks Steve Rodgers (captain America) if he wants to just Kill Nazi's Steve's (captain America's) response is "I don't want to kill anyone I just hate bullies". This is what Bay's Prime fails to capture, Bays Prime believes the only good threat is a dead threat. Its kind of hypocritical to say freedom is right of all sentient life but only if your an autobot and agree with me and the way I do things.
Bays prime does not take prisoners, and kills wounded enemies, that does not sound noble at all.
cap takes it a bit further after bucky gets killedthat he won't stop until all of hydra is killed or CAPTURED, so even after all the things hydra did, he was still willing to give them some mercy.
The big difference is there really is no way to imprison Decepticons. They're too dangerous to just throw in a box.
Phategod1 wrote:Evil_the_Nub wrote:Optimus Primevil wrote:Phategod1 wrote:I watched Captain America last week, and there's a scene that I find that perfectly explains the nature of G1 Optimus, Optimus Primal, and even the Optimus in Transformers Prime, When Stanley Tucci's character asks Steve Rodgers (captain America) if he wants to just Kill Nazi's Steve's (captain America's) response is "I don't want to kill anyone I just hate bullies". This is what Bay's Prime fails to capture, Bays Prime believes the only good threat is a dead threat. Its kind of hypocritical to say freedom is right of all sentient life but only if your an autobot and agree with me and the way I do things.
Bays prime does not take prisoners, and kills wounded enemies, that does not sound noble at all.
cap takes it a bit further after bucky gets killedthat he won't stop until all of hydra is killed or CAPTURED, so even after all the things hydra did, he was still willing to give them some mercy.
The big difference is there really is no way to imprison Decepticons. They're too dangerous to just throw in a box.
If the autobots were given the resources to operate completely autonomously They would have had foresight to build prisons, there were cells on the Ark, Megatron was held up at hoover Damn for how long? There machines once they were disabled it not like there wounds would heal and they'd be up to full strength, and ready to blow up some prison gaurd.
NewFoundStarscreamLuv wrote:me and my friends combine all the time. Sometimes I even combine by myself if no one is around.
Optimus Primevil wrote:@4. so in insane troll logic, is optimus using us to justify the extinction of the decepticons? and yes, i believe they can be saved but how can you save them if you kill them all? oh it's wrong to execute a weaponsmith but it's ok to execute someone missing most of his face, and body.
@5. so who scanned the planet? pretty sloppy for them to have built the darn thing and ready to go then some humanoids show up at the grand opening. and about megs, it was pretty obvious something's not right with him if he can't even fly straight, sector seven might not have picked him ALL off but they probably took SOMETHING off to make the stuff simmons said they produced thanks to NBE-1.
@7 is it greed or impatience? since they already had a complete machine set up, wouldn't it be a shame to not use it? besides, if the fallen is such an unworthy fellow, then the matrix would be turned into magic dust and he can't turn it on anyway. the fact that the fallen can use the matrix means he is worthy of leadership, just not the leader you like.
Phategod1 wrote:Its kind of hypocritical to say freedom is right of all sentient life but only if your an autobot and agree with me and the way I do things.
Shadowman wrote:I will put forth the theory that it was the internet itself trying to punch him in the face.
Phategod1 wrote:The Long and short of it is Bay Never understood the character of Optimus. Bay made him your typical Kill everything hero. The G1 Optimus would never Kill a defenseless opponent, There is no honor in that. Optimus killing with cheap one liners is not Optimus at all.
dylansdad wrote:Phategod1 wrote:The Long and short of it is Bay Never understood the character of Optimus. Bay made him your typical Kill everything hero. The G1 Optimus would never Kill a defenseless opponent, There is no honor in that. Optimus killing with cheap one liners is not Optimus at all.
Yeah, totally agree. The Optimus I know & admire would never kill an injured,unarmed foe. This movie sucks bad & has perverted all that was good about Transformers.
shamone wrote:dylansdad wrote:Phategod1 wrote:The Long and short of it is Bay Never understood the character of Optimus. Bay made him your typical Kill everything hero. The G1 Optimus would never Kill a defenseless opponent, There is no honor in that. Optimus killing with cheap one liners is not Optimus at all.
Yeah, totally agree. The Optimus I know & admire would never kill an injured,unarmed foe. This movie sucks bad & has perverted all that was good about Transformers.
i agree to an extent. The killing wounded injured unarmed combatants is not the actions of a hero
SlyTF1 wrote:shamone wrote:dylansdad wrote:Phategod1 wrote:The Long and short of it is Bay Never understood the character of Optimus. Bay made him your typical Kill everything hero. The G1 Optimus would never Kill a defenseless opponent, There is no honor in that. Optimus killing with cheap one liners is not Optimus at all.
Yeah, totally agree. The Optimus I know & admire would never kill an injured,unarmed foe. This movie sucks bad & has perverted all that was good about Transformers.
i agree to an extent. The killing wounded injured unarmed combatants is not the actions of a hero
A hero is someone who is willing to do whatever it takes for the great or good. Not someone who lets huge threats escape or live.
dylansdad wrote:This movie sucks bad & has perverted all that was good about Transformers.
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shamone wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:shamone wrote:dylansdad wrote:Phategod1 wrote:The Long and short of it is Bay Never understood the character of Optimus. Bay made him your typical Kill everything hero. The G1 Optimus would never Kill a defenseless opponent, There is no honor in that. Optimus killing with cheap one liners is not Optimus at all.
Yeah, totally agree. The Optimus I know & admire would never kill an injured,unarmed foe. This movie sucks bad & has perverted all that was good about Transformers.
i agree to an extent. The killing wounded injured unarmed combatants is not the actions of a hero
A hero is someone who is willing to do whatever it takes for the great or good. Not someone who lets huge threats escape or live.
thats one interpretation
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