The Energon Pub

News Credits: 251 · by **Mindmaster** » Tue Aug 17, 2010 3:05 pm

Can't wait to see this in stores. He shall be bought on sight... if I have cash on me.

News Credits: 3614 · by **Seibertron** » Tue Aug 17, 2010 3:10 pm

Tirade wrote:
Shadowstream wrote:
Tirade wrote:
Shadowstream wrote:
Tirade wrote:@Shadowstream
Problem is, most of those other Autobot leaders were very large toys originally. They wouldn't fit well in the Generations line now as Deluxe figures. Plus I doubt we will ever see new molds larger than Universe's Ultra class. In Dai Atlas's case, an Ultra class mold would probably work. For Fort Max? No way. He deserves something bigger.

And the same couldn't be said of Galvatron, Straxus, or Thunderwing? Yeah, I don't think scale is an issue here, given they throw that out the window just to get a character released.

We all know Galvatron should have been switched with Powerglide. I'll grant that. As for Thuderwing, his toy was hardly towering. I think Deluxe sized fits him fine. With Straxus, we don't have much reference material outside of the comic. Based on the comics, I think Deluxe is a solid size for him. I can't imagine him being any larger than Voyager sized. The only way Fort Max is going to be done is as a Deluxe sized Cerebros figure. I don't see him happening in any other form.

IDW Fort Max is a normal sized TF and likewise Thunderwing is enormous. Also, the scale of any given character in the Marvel comics varied at any moment.

Bottom line: scale = null.

*Sigh* I'm basing this off of the original toys, not their comic book appearances (and the odd IDW size choices). I only mentioned comics because of Darkmount/Straxus. The Marvel comics are the only reference material we have for him.

I'll throw in my vote for a Leader Class or Supreme Class Fortress Maximus and Scorponok!

I think any size class that wouldn't allow for a base mode that interacts with Mini-Cons and maybe have gun ports for Scout class figures would be an insult to both of those characters -- Fort Max in particular.

As for Scorponok, I would settle for a G1 colored Energon Scorponok in the Classics line as well as a G1 colored Energon "Shockblast" toy. If they did a toy from scratch to honor G1 Scorponok and also had Fort Max as his direct box case counterpart, I'd have to hold out hope for a Leader Class toy.

by **Chupacabra Convoy** » Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:43 pm

Seibertron wrote:
Tirade wrote:
Shadowstream wrote:
Tirade wrote:
Shadowstream wrote:
Tirade wrote:@Shadowstream
Problem is, most of those other Autobot leaders were very large toys originally. They wouldn't fit well in the Generations line now as Deluxe figures. Plus I doubt we will ever see new molds larger than Universe's Ultra class. In Dai Atlas's case, an Ultra class mold would probably work. For Fort Max? No way. He deserves something bigger.

And the same couldn't be said of Galvatron, Straxus, or Thunderwing? Yeah, I don't think scale is an issue here, given they throw that out the window just to get a character released.

We all know Galvatron should have been switched with Powerglide. I'll grant that. As for Thuderwing, his toy was hardly towering. I think Deluxe sized fits him fine. With Straxus, we don't have much reference material outside of the comic. Based on the comics, I think Deluxe is a solid size for him. I can't imagine him being any larger than Voyager sized. The only way Fort Max is going to be done is as a Deluxe sized Cerebros figure. I don't see him happening in any other form.

IDW Fort Max is a normal sized TF and likewise Thunderwing is enormous. Also, the scale of any given character in the Marvel comics varied at any moment.

Bottom line: scale = null.

*Sigh* I'm basing this off of the original toys, not their comic book appearances (and the odd IDW size choices). I only mentioned comics because of Darkmount/Straxus. The Marvel comics are the only reference material we have for him.

I'll throw in my vote for a Leader Class or Supreme Class Fortress Maximus and Scorponok!

I think any size class that wouldn't allow for a base mode that interacts with Mini-Cons and maybe have gun ports for Scout class figures would be an insult to both of those characters -- Fort Max in particular.

As for Scorponok, I would settle for a G1 colored Energon Scorponok in the Classics line as well as a G1 colored Energon "Shockblast" toy. If they did a toy from scratch to honor G1 Scorponok and also had Fort Max as his direct box case counterpart, I'd have to hold out hope for a Leader Class toy.

Personally, I think a leader class of either of those toys is possible, it just depends if you're willing to get them re imagined for whatever TV show they have at the time. Remember how there was an Animated Supreme Roll Command Optimus, but not an Omega Supreme? The reason why there was one of Optimus is that he was a part of the show, and was in almost every episode, while Omega was used more often as a location than a character. So in order for these guys to get re imagined, they have to be triple changers that plug into the larger figure, but be able to interact with other characters on a smaller scale, like Fort Max in the japanese head master cartoon.

News Credits: 1 · by **Bumblevivisector** » Tue Aug 17, 2010 6:39 pm

Well technically, if you go by how big Blaster and Straxus were relative to each other in their fight in #18, this toy is most in scale with Action Master Blaster, but considering the original Blaster was a toy the size of Devastator that we were supposed to pretend was only half that, this Darkmount does quite nicely. During the 1988-93 stretch where no cable meant no access to the G1 toon, I became steadfastly loyal to comic continuity, and believe no toyless character from either G1 universe deserved this treatment more than the Lord High Governor of Polyhex here. I'll have to supress a fangasm whenever I see him on the shelf.

Now as for this talk of a toy for the obscure Autobot debuting in #17, Scrounge was a beautifully tragic character, but since he turns into a wheel that rolls around on edge, I see 2 problems:

1) I'm not sure that's something the younger fans would deem exciting on sight. I mean, I'd have preferred Straxus's flying cannon mode over Darkmount's Earth tank, but realize they had to do it this way as his Cybertron mode wouldn't really look like anything to most newbies who haven't read issue #18.

2) He'd be tough to engineer, what with Scrounge's robot mode having no curvy alt-mode features.

Then again, we just got a toy that DOES become a little wheel, and it's Scrounge's old resistance teammate to boot: Cosmos! All they'd have to do to the Classics Legends Cosmos mold is slice off that tailfin and remold the head, and we'd have a pretty decent Scrounge. Sure it wouldn't have the finger gimmick, but any toy with that would be too big for the character. If Hasbro won't do it for these waves of Generations Legends coming out soon, maybe as a Botcon exclusive? Fans probably shouldn't kitbash too many themselves though, as Cosmos is likely the second most desired/expensive of those legends after Bumblebee, on both sides of the pond. Has this been suggested before?

News Credits: 251 · by **Mindmaster** » Tue Aug 17, 2010 7:13 pm

Chupacabra Convoy wrote:
Seibertron wrote:
Tirade wrote:
Shadowstream wrote:
Tirade wrote:
Shadowstream wrote:
Tirade wrote:@Shadowstream
Problem is, most of those other Autobot leaders were very large toys originally. They wouldn't fit well in the Generations line now as Deluxe figures. Plus I doubt we will ever see new molds larger than Universe's Ultra class. In Dai Atlas's case, an Ultra class mold would probably work. For Fort Max? No way. He deserves something bigger.

And the same couldn't be said of Galvatron, Straxus, or Thunderwing? Yeah, I don't think scale is an issue here, given they throw that out the window just to get a character released.

We all know Galvatron should have been switched with Powerglide. I'll grant that. As for Thuderwing, his toy was hardly towering. I think Deluxe sized fits him fine. With Straxus, we don't have much reference material outside of the comic. Based on the comics, I think Deluxe is a solid size for him. I can't imagine him being any larger than Voyager sized. The only way Fort Max is going to be done is as a Deluxe sized Cerebros figure. I don't see him happening in any other form.

IDW Fort Max is a normal sized TF and likewise Thunderwing is enormous. Also, the scale of any given character in the Marvel comics varied at any moment.

Bottom line: scale = null.

*Sigh* I'm basing this off of the original toys, not their comic book appearances (and the odd IDW size choices). I only mentioned comics because of Darkmount/Straxus. The Marvel comics are the only reference material we have for him.

I'll throw in my vote for a Leader Class or Supreme Class Fortress Maximus and Scorponok!

I think any size class that wouldn't allow for a base mode that interacts with Mini-Cons and maybe have gun ports for Scout class figures would be an insult to both of those characters -- Fort Max in particular.

As for Scorponok, I would settle for a G1 colored Energon Scorponok in the Classics line as well as a G1 colored Energon "Shockblast" toy. If they did a toy from scratch to honor G1 Scorponok and also had Fort Max as his direct box case counterpart, I'd have to hold out hope for a Leader Class toy.

Personally, I think a leader class of either of those toys is possible, it just depends if you're willing to get them re imagined for whatever TV show they have at the time. Remember how there was an Animated Supreme Roll Command Optimus, but not an Omega Supreme? The reason why there was one of Optimus is that he was a part of the show, and was in almost every episode, while Omega was used more often as a location than a character. So in order for these guys to get re imagined, they have to be triple changers that plug into the larger figure, but be able to interact with other characters on a smaller scale, like Fort Max in the japanese head master cartoon.

If they actually do make up at least 1-2 Leader Class molds for Generations, like my homie Seibertron, my vote's for Fort. Maximus and Scorponok. Just seems like the logical choice, abd if it's not gonna be Maximus, Metroplex is a good choice as well. C'mon Hasbro, you know you want my moola.... :BOOM:

News Credits: 22 · by **Rodimus Prime** » Wed Aug 18, 2010 2:19 am

Well, I love the Marvel comics, so I am ashamed to say i was going to pass on this figure. But, thanks to this gallery and this thread, he's now buy on sight.

News Credits: 7 · by **Noideaforaname** » Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:28 pm

So, apparently Darkmount's instructions accidentally revealed the Skullgrin head (like Axor and Cliffjumper have been). Could we get pics of that?

News Credits: 128 · by **Counterpunch** » Thu Aug 19, 2010 6:52 am

Noideaforaname wrote:So, apparently Darkmount's instructions accidentally revealed the Skullgrin head (like Axor and Cliffjumper have been). Could we get pics of that?

I think that's just Darkmount's online instructions.

News Credits: 3614 · by **Seibertron** » Thu Aug 19, 2010 10:03 am

Counterpunch wrote:
Noideaforaname wrote:So, apparently Darkmount's instructions accidentally revealed the Skullgrin head (like Axor and Cliffjumper have been). Could we get pics of that?

I think that's just Darkmount's online instructions.

The real ones do that as well. I forgot to take pics of it but Hasbro did the work for me apparently and posted the actual instructions.

http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/ ... ead/19578/