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Metrosuplex wrote:(From Wikipedia)As with other pre-Robotech borrowings from Macross (for instance, Battletech), the licensing situation for the toy became murky with two different companies (Big West and Tatsunoko Production) asserting exclusive rights to license Macross merchandise outside Japan. Due to these legal issues, Jetfire has not been among the Transformers toys reissued in the 21st century .[10]
This toy is patented in the U.S. as patent number D287037.[11]
Now I understand the suit!
This was never about how similar the SDCC jet looks to Robotech's jet.... this is about how Jetfire IS a Robotech character!
Hence, this is really Hasbro using a Robotech character without permission, regardless of how he looks in toy form. Historically, this IS a Robotech character, and Harmony thus has a right to require financial/legal permission for his use.
TFwiki wrote:On July 22, 2013, Harmony Gold, owner of the rights to the Robotech franchise, filed a copyright infringement suit against Hasbro. In the filing, Harmony Gold argued that the release somehow infringed upon the intellectual property of the Veritech, but noted that "damages are difficult to ascertain". They demanded that Hasbro recall all Jetfires that had been sold, that all Jetfires (including the recalled ones) be either destroyed or handed over to Harmony Gold, and that Hasbro turn over all profits relating to the sales; this was to happen in addition to payment for all actual damages to Harmony Gold (despite Harmony Gold itself not knowing how much the actual damages were) and all punitive assessments assigned against Hasbro.
GuyIncognito wrote:Bumblevivisector wrote:Oh, and everyone else? Do please buy that the official release of that Shadow Chronicles/Love-Live-Alive DVD they released last week. Harmony Gold does need all the help they can get.
LOL, I don't buy things to support the company selling them. It's not a charity. If you have trouble paying your bills, are they going to help you?
Fanboy wrote:You need to see the figure, feel the figure , lick the figure , be the figure,
And only then can you love mp 01 the way I have.
chuckdawg1999 wrote:GuyIncognito wrote:Bumblevivisector wrote:Oh, and everyone else? Do please buy that the official release of that Shadow Chronicles/Love-Live-Alive DVD they released last week. Harmony Gold does need all the help they can get.
LOL, I don't buy things to support the company selling them. It's not a charity. If you have trouble paying your bills, are they going to help you?
They re-released Shadow Chronicles again or is this the sequel to the first movie?
RAcast wrote:This is an interesting mess, isn't it?
Hasbro really did make a bad decision by making that booster pack mold. The IP isn't theirs, and they did infringe on HG's franchise by doing so.
But at the same time... Hasbro isn't trying to pass this off as having anything to do with Macross. It's an homage to G1 Jetfire...who is based on the Valkyrie.
I think if Hasbro hadn't made that booster pack accessory they'd have been fine, but they'll have to pay some reparation for that.
RAcast wrote:Now, what HG is demanding is hilariously ridiculous. RECALLING them? The sold ones! Seriously? That's quite possibly the most laughable thing I've ever heard of.
Maybe we'll get lucky and they too will get lostGuyIncognito wrote:Reminds me of an older Simpsons episode, where Lisa is trying to convince Homer to let her take the bus downtown by herself. Homer says she's not allowed. Lisa says "Well, I COULD get a limo, but that would cost hundreds of dollars..." Homer's like "OH no, we're not made of money! I DEMAND you take the bus!"
william-james88 wrote:So that would also be the case for Predaking, who is also six members.
Bowspearer wrote:HG are going to fall flat on their face on this one. The fact is that even if you were to say that HG had the rights to every single Valkyrie mold out there, this clearly falls under the banner of inspiration rather than bootlegging.
Va'al wrote:I keep track of everyone. Backwards.
There are atandarfs to maintain.
LOST Cybertronian wrote:Hey, If Mindmaster survived then you should do just fine.
Mindmaster wrote:Correct me if I'm mistaken, but the Classics Jetfire toy featured several homages to Jetfire's Macross/Robotech origin, yet Harmony Gold didn't get pissy about that.
fenrir72 wrote:So the magic word was please?
fenrir72 wrote:So the magic word was please?
fenrir72 wrote:So the magic word was please?
Mkall wrote:fenrir72 wrote:So the magic word was please?
That's so last year. This year's magic word is litigate.
Midnight_Fox wrote:Bowspearer wrote:HG are going to fall flat on their face on this one. The fact is that even if you were to say that HG had the rights to every single Valkyrie mold out there, this clearly falls under the banner of inspiration rather than bootlegging.
The problem is, there's nothing clear about Copyright and IP laws. They're an exceedingly muddy area, hence the need to have everything dealt with in court to "clearly" define that instance and set precedent for similar cases.
Unfortunately, the case I mentioned earlier, Chapterhouse Studios v. Games Workshop, dealt with exactly "clearly inspired" toys/models. Whilst Games Workshop lost out on about 60-75% of their claims, various items that evoked the GW style were lost by Chapter House. For example:
This is a Games Workshop Eldar Farseer:
And this is a Chapterhouse Doomseer:
The Doomseer is clearly inspired by the Farseer(and not even as close to, in my eyes, this instance of the Skystriker with boosters to the Valkyrie with boosters) and GW won on that instance, meaning Chapterhouse can no longer produce and sell their Doomseer.
Now, to head off some people who are both TF fans and wargamers: Yes, Chapterhouse is more like GW's Fansproject/MMC/insert favorite 3rd Party producer here than what HG is to Hasbro, being that it's meant to be a stand in/replacement for the the Farseer. But the courts don't think that way, they see Company X suing Company Y and treat them equally, or at least try to.
GuyIncognito wrote:RAcast wrote:Hasbro really did make a bad decision by making that booster pack mold. The IP isn't theirs, and they did infringe on HG's franchise by doing so.
-SNIP-
I think if Hasbro hadn't made that booster pack accessory they'd have been fine, but they'll have to pay some reparation for that.
Well put; I totally agree.
Fanboy wrote:You need to see the figure, feel the figure , lick the figure , be the figure,
And only then can you love mp 01 the way I have.
Bowspearer wrote:Except that you're both wrong, it's not actually a booster pack. As a friend just pointed out to me, it's a piloted drone (I'm not using the img code as per the site's rule about hotlinking):
http://generalsjoes.com/images/reviews/ ... ire-20.jpg
http://generalsjoes.com/images/reviews/ ... ire-23.jpg
That is what will seriously sink them here.
chuckdawg1999 wrote:One thing that cracks me up about this is how short sighted people still were when HG was given the universal golden TM or IP control. No one had the thought that there might be a demand to see the original content, or sequels that Robotech was based on or experience the toys and other product that the Japanese companies made. It sorta reminds me how none of the wrestling promoters in the 80's and back thought to keep tapes of their shows for future sales.
Bumblevivisector wrote:If we want to starve HG? Then everyone buy the bootleg of Robotech: The Movie ("The Untold Story", not the f@#%ing Bionoids) because that one's never, ever getting a legit release. Screw whoever owns Megazone. Thank you.
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