Duo Prime wrote:It was quite the powerful movie. If you've seen it, share your thoughts. I'd also like to get our brothers and sisters opinions from overseas on their country's healthcare system.
I know for one, the stories in there are very sickening, and i have experienced these kinds of issues first hand as well.
I went to the hospital when i was around 18 years old, and by that time, i was no longer able to benefit from my parent's insurance plan, so i had no insurance. I was playing around with friends and was accidentally hit in the head with the but of a BB gun that resembled a Glock-9. I was cut open pretty good and was bleeding all over the freakin place. I was pretty scared i might have a cuncussion or somthing of the like, so i rushed to the hospital. I went directly to the window where they check you in, and was asked(after i filled out an ass-load of unnessisary paperwork) if i had insurance. I explained the situation about recently being dropped from my parents plan, and they simple turned me away. I had to go home with the towel i brought from my friends place still trying to stop the bleeding. Luckily, this was not a life threatening situation, or i might not be typing this today. I found it very disgusting they wouldn't even have a look, even to let me know i could take care of it myself. I just took it as "oh well, i wish i had the money to got to the hospital", but now being older, i find this kind of sh*t un acceptable.
Lord Starscream20 wrote:Michael Moore is, as usual, ignorant. His push for nationalized healthcare is completely blind. No intelligent person could actually prefer Canadian or British healthcare to America's.
Moore points out that British healthcare is free, which is true, but he apparently forgot that the wait for medical attention can be as long as 1.5 years depending on the case in that country. Additionally, in a country with as many citizens as America, we can't seriously expect the federal government to be able to provide adequate healthcare to about 300 million people. Treatment would fall below the level of the former USSR (2 aspirins for just about anything).
I really wish somebody could shut Moore up. He's just trying to scare people into agreeing with him. Just purely scientifically and mathematically, socialized healthcare is not feasible.
Really, this isn't quite the discussion i had in mind, but what else could be expected from Decepticons. It just seems like the intrest of the people isn't really anyone's concerns, besides people like him, and quite frankly, i love every film i have ever seen of his. And i believe i have figured out the faction of republicans.
I like to get the facts straight.
Oh, and lord starscream, where did you obtain your information on the subject?
Loki120 wrote:Lord Starscream20 wrote:Michael Moore is, as usual, ignorant. His push for nationalized healthcare is completely blind. No intelligent person could actually prefer Canadian or British healthcare to America's.
Moore points out that British healthcare is free, which is true, but he apparently forgot that the wait for medical attention can be as long as 1.5 years depending on the case in that country. Additionally, in a country with as many citizens as America, we can't seriously expect the federal government to be able to provide adequate healthcare to about 300 million people. Treatment would fall below the level of the former USSR (2 aspirins for just about anything).
I really wish somebody could shut Moore up. He's just trying to scare people into agreeing with him. Just purely scientifically and mathematically, socialized healthcare is not feasible.
I've already linked several stories about the shortcoming of socialized healthcare in this thread - http://seibertron.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8184&start=15&sid=Really, this isn't quite the discussion i had in mind, but what else could be expected from Decepticons. It just seems like the intrest of the people isn't really anyone's concerns, besides people like him, and quite frankly, i love every film i have ever seen of his. And i believe i have figured out the faction of republicans.
Of course it's the interest of the people. I'm not thinking about it from a financial "money-grubbing" standpoint, but socialized healthcare does not work. That's already been proven a dozen times over in other countries, and it's not going to be any different if introduced in America.
But like I said, it's a great way to buy votes.I like to get the facts straight.
Previous threads seem to indicate otherwise, but oh well.
That's a long wait!
What was that about not getting approval for drugs because all they do is pay for it? That seems to be the whole problem.
Hope you have the lucky number!
I hope you don't smoke, or are overweight! Who else isn't worthy of receiving healthcare? Or are you going to say "It'll be different here!" Dream on.
Duo Prime wrote:All your stuff seems to be from corrupt lobbyists
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Loki120 wrote:Duo Prime wrote:All your stuff seems to be from corrupt lobbyists
I was unaware that the BBC was a corrupt lobbyist...but you know...even in the face of truth...whatever.
And FYI, just in case you were unaware Exxonsecret.org is about agenda laden as you can get.
(I know you don't need backup, but there it is anyway. )
Loki120 wrote:Well, there is a difference between being on a waiting list because you need a new organ, it's an entirely different animal to be on a year-plus waiting list for any and all surgery just because socialization has pushed out surgeons and demand has increased.(I know you don't need backup, but there it is anyway. )
Much appreciated.
Shadowman wrote:Michael Moore is way too preachy. I can't stand him.
"Cuba can supply better Helthcare than America?" Guess what, Mikey, Cuba doesn't even have 1/8 of the USs population, and they aren't as deep in debt. Same with the UK and Canada. They can afford to do those things. And you know what else? They never work out right.
Tammuz wrote:Loki120 wrote:Well, there is a difference between being on a waiting list because you need a new organ, it's an entirely different animal to be on a year-plus waiting list for any and all surgery just because socialization has pushed out surgeons and demand has increased.(I know you don't need backup, but there it is anyway. )
Much appreciated.
this seems blatant one rule for the rich and one rule for the poor; demand hasn't increased, the same number of people still need medical attention, just that all of them are entitled to it rather than just those who can afford insurance.
and once again i state; if you can afford insurance there is no waiting time if you choose to go private.
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