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Dr. Caelus wrote:Lets talk about "sexualization of minors".
When I was very, very small, I proposed marriage to our pastor's daughter during our Sunday school class. I promised she would have apple pies and a mustang convertible (someday). She declined my proposal and I accepted that. No one ever really questioned, though, where a small boy had learned the concept of courtship (however clumsy or transactionary it might have been).
When I was a little older, I was drafted to serve as a ringbearer in my uncle's wedding. They dressed me in a little tux, just like the men in the wedding party, and people raved over how 'handsome' I was. I don't really recall anyone pointing out that a wedding is a tradition celebrating a sexual union between two people, and that I'd been costumed up for the ceremony to look like a miniature copy of the groom.
My favorite movies in elementary school were Robin Hood and Three Musketeers. I remember reading the slow-pitch junior novelizations of them. I loved the romance as well as the action, and dreamed of being the debonaire swashbuckler sweeping damsels off their feet. I even dressed up as D'artagnan for Halloween in fifth grade, hoping the person I had a crush on would be impressed. They were not, but I also don't remember anyone objected to a minor admiring a romantic hero.
Morgana Macawber, Tenel Ka, and Blackarachnia. Enough said, I think.
When I got older, I read Shadows of the Empire, Courtship of Princess Leia, Moon is a Harsh Mistress, and Glory Road. Very little objection to the content in those books.
And throughout there were Valentine's Day parties, dances, etc., where everyone was supposed to be preoccupied with who liked who and who was going where with whom.
And the transition to actual dating was sort of especially memorable for me because the day in seventh grade that I got an official girlfriend was the day all of those totally innocent and 'unsexualized' minors stopped calling me a 'fag' (or other permutations thereof). Of course, no one had ever been overly bothered that the other kids knew that word or wondered where they had heard it.
This is to say nothing of the incessant reminders that I was a boy and the extensive instruction from society in general on what expectations that entailed at that time and what it would entail in the future.
So, between the deep-baked traditions of Christian America, the movies based on centuries old romance stories, the cartoons with their comical will-they-or-won't-theys, the geeky scifi novels, the school dances, and the stupid candy hearts no one should ever actually eat, I feel like I was pretty thoroughly 'sexualized' by my 18th birthday.
But somehow, that sort of indoctrination, that pervasive, nonstop, in-your-face reinforcement of 'this is what we do' never really raises any concerns, except among - maybe - those parents who are trying to raise their chidren with no knowledge of sex beyond, 'The wife submits to her husband.'
Instead, people lose their minds over a grown man wearing a rainbow shirt or a cartoon character not identifying with either of the two most popular genders, because they believe that simple awareness of the lack of universal condemnation of same sex marriage, trans* people, or nonbinary individuals will suddenly 'sexualize' their children.
Our whole public life today is like a hothouse for sexual ideas and simulations. Just look at the bill of fare served up in our movies, vaudeville and theaters, and you will hardly be able to deny that this is not the right kind of food, particularly for the youth...Theater, art, literature, cinema, press, posters, and window displays must be cleansed of all manifestations of our rotting world and placed in the service of a moral, political, and cultural idea.
There are those homosexuals who take the view: what I do is my business, a purely private matter. However, all things which take place in the sexual sphere are not the private affair of the individual, but signify the life and death of the nation... I have now decided upon the following: in each case, these people will naturally be publicly degraded, expelled, and handed over to the courts. Following completion of the punishment imposed by the courts, they will be sent, by my order, to a concentration camp, and they will be shot in the concentration camp, while attempting to escape.
-Kanrabat- wrote:Still, the rainbow was a CHRISTIAN symbol for thousands of years.
It represented the day after the Great Flood and that God will never do such a thing ever again.
Dr. Caelus wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:Still, the rainbow was a CHRISTIAN symbol for thousands of years.
Jewish.It represented the day after the Great Flood and that God will never do such a thing ever again.
Noah was Jewish, not Christian.
-Kanrabat- wrote:Dr. Caelus wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:Still, the rainbow was a CHRISTIAN symbol for thousands of years.
Jewish.It represented the day after the Great Flood and that God will never do such a thing ever again.
Noah was Jewish, not Christian.
Oh yeah Jewish.
But eh, close enough.
zko wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:Dr. Caelus wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:Still, the rainbow was a CHRISTIAN symbol for thousands of years.
Jewish.It represented the day after the Great Flood and that God will never do such a thing ever again.
Noah was Jewish, not Christian.
Oh yeah Jewish.
But eh, close enough.
If you are pushing it to that level of "technicality" Jewish did not exist with Noah either, he was before that. Israel was a name assigned to Jacob in Genesis who was several generations after the flood.
Dr. Caelus wrote:That is true, but the point is the character of Noah and his story belongs to Jewish mythology/folklore, so if you're concerned with who God gave the rainbow to, it wasn't Christians.
Dr. Caelus wrote:And, to be completely blunt, that all did take a long time to write, so I'm not going to debate it unless someone is going to pay my consulting rate of $60 an hour.
Pretend history or reality doesn't exist if you want. I've hopefully done my due diligence as an LGBT ally by speaking up, but no one's paying me to fix the homophobes, so I'm claiming the rest of my weekend for myself.
My t-shirt should be here in time for the movie premier. I am nervous about wearing a Pride shirt around here, but as my wife pointed out, our gay friends and trans family members wear their pride 24/7.
Lore Keeper wrote:Dr. Caelus wrote:And, to be completely blunt, that all did take a long time to write, so I'm not going to debate it unless someone is going to pay my consulting rate of $60 an hour.
Pretend history or reality doesn't exist if you want. I've hopefully done my due diligence as an LGBT ally by speaking up, but no one's paying me to fix the homophobes, so I'm claiming the rest of my weekend for myself.
My t-shirt should be here in time for the movie premier. I am nervous about wearing a Pride shirt around here, but as my wife pointed out, our gay friends and trans family members wear their pride 24/7.
Bro really wrote a novel, patted himself on the back for being such a good ally, and demanded payment to respond to any criticism of his omnibus of forum posts.
I think that supposed doctorate of yours has given you a very inflated sense of self-importance.
Dr. Caelus wrote:Lore Keeper wrote:Dr. Caelus wrote:And, to be completely blunt, that all did take a long time to write, so I'm not going to debate it unless someone is going to pay my consulting rate of $60 an hour.
Pretend history or reality doesn't exist if you want. I've hopefully done my due diligence as an LGBT ally by speaking up, but no one's paying me to fix the homophobes, so I'm claiming the rest of my weekend for myself.
My t-shirt should be here in time for the movie premier. I am nervous about wearing a Pride shirt around here, but as my wife pointed out, our gay friends and trans family members wear their pride 24/7.
Bro really wrote a novel, patted himself on the back for being such a good ally, and demanded payment to respond to any criticism of his omnibus of forum posts.
I think that supposed doctorate of yours has given you a very inflated sense of self-importance.
Nope! I just know what my time is worth!
firefox91 wrote:Dr. Caelus wrote:Lore Keeper wrote:Dr. Caelus wrote:And, to be completely blunt, that all did take a long time to write, so I'm not going to debate it unless someone is going to pay my consulting rate of $60 an hour.
Pretend history or reality doesn't exist if you want. I've hopefully done my due diligence as an LGBT ally by speaking up, but no one's paying me to fix the homophobes, so I'm claiming the rest of my weekend for myself.
My t-shirt should be here in time for the movie premier. I am nervous about wearing a Pride shirt around here, but as my wife pointed out, our gay friends and trans family members wear their pride 24/7.
Bro really wrote a novel, patted himself on the back for being such a good ally, and demanded payment to respond to any criticism of his omnibus of forum posts.
I think that supposed doctorate of yours has given you a very inflated sense of self-importance.
Nope! I just know what my time is worth!
Which is nothing? You didn't change anyone's minds, all you did was pontificate. So if all those words resulted in no change, it makes them worthless.
firefox91 wrote:This is where I have a serious problem with all of this. If someone dares to speak against these types of campaigns, even if respectful, they are labeled a "bigot". Children don't have the life experience or maturity for a lot of things. People can't drink, smoke, drive, join the military, or even open a bank account until they reach a certain age. The reason for all of that is the same. Experience and maturity to make the right decisions. Yet here we are as a society encouraging them to think they are another gender than what biology has determined they are. Adults can be whoever they want to be, that is their choice as someone who has matured to adulthood. A child is not mature enough to make these decisions. I'm all for treating all people the same. I don't support hate speech, I don't support wrecking of Target or Bud Light displays in protest. But I also don't support manipulating the minds of the most impressionable people on the planet to make them believe they are something they probably aren't. I certainly don't support them getting drug or surgical treatment to affirm what they were manipulated to be. Gender dysmorphia is a mental health issue and should be studied and treated as such, with a lot counseling and in some cases medication. We don't affirm suicidal people by telling them to just go jump off a bridge. So why are we affirming people that think they are a member of the opposite sex with medical science and transforming them? If all of this were so natural, then why doesn't the ability to change gender naturally occur? I couldn't have been done 100 years ago. It's only now with the medical science it can be done. Yet, it still can't provide reproductive organs or change chromosomes. It's all fake and covered up. It's putting on a mask to hide from reality. It addressing insanity with more insanity. But when we point these things out, we are written off as bigots. We aren't bigots, we're thinking with a clear and rational mind. We are tired of being told we have to accept it. We sure as hell are tired of our children being manipulated.
whacko wrote:Wow, this comment section became a shit-show really quickly.
Lore Keeper wrote:It's more than I can say for some other websites that posted the story and had comments disabled from the get-go...
-Kanrabat- wrote:Lore Keeper wrote:It's more than I can say for some other websites that posted the story and had comments disabled from the get-go...
Disabling comments is cowardly and it's admitting defeat.
snavej wrote:A future TF storyline should be 'Culture Wars'!![]()
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I wonder if Bud Light is a good substitute for energon?! It's very cheap or free right now.
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