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Yotsuyasan wrote:I will take this moment to point out, though, that this means that Trailbreaker is a more extensive remold then just sticking a new head on a preexisting toy. Between that, and Mirage's getting a bit of work to his vehicle's front end, I guess the Autobot repaints may be a little less lazy then some people are complaining they are.
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Yotsuyasan wrote:I will take this moment to point out, though, that this means that Trailbreaker is a more extensive remold then just sticking a new head on a preexisting toy. Between that, and Mirage's getting a bit of work to his vehicle's front end, I guess the Autobot repaints may be a little less lazy then some people are complaining they are.
Mirage is a simple headswap, nothing else's been changed:
Wolfman Jake wrote:Stuartmaximus wrote:So yet another heavy retool from the Silverbolt mold! like they did for Cyclonus! but this time.....as Sky Lynx, I'm actually quite liking this one, I'm just wondering somewhere down the line....what they'll retool Leader Class Megatron & Ultra Magnus as? If anything.
What makes you think Sky Lynx is a retool, of Silverbolt at that? Looks like an all new mold to me, honestly.
Yotsuyasan wrote:Still, it is odd (in a good way) to see a change like that for Trailbreaker. It was completely unnecessary on their parts, as no one would have complained if he had two fists. I wonder if they did this since, unlike many of the others, his pre-existing toy isn't that old? So maybe they thought they'd do a little extra to make him stand out?
Stuartmaximus wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote:Stuartmaximus wrote:So yet another heavy retool from the Silverbolt mold! like they did for Cyclonus! but this time.....as Sky Lynx, I'm actually quite liking this one, I'm just wondering somewhere down the line....what they'll retool Leader Class Megatron & Ultra Magnus as? If anything.
What makes you think Sky Lynx is a retool, of Silverbolt at that? Looks like an all new mold to me, honestly.
Have you even SEEN his alt mode? http://www.collectiondx.com/files/cwskyreign2.jpg
Clearly a very heavy retool, + your willing to accept OTHER retools & remolds that are coming out....but cannot accept the fact that Sky Lynx MAY be a heavy retool of Silverbolt!(like they did with Cyclonus) + other people have made the same claim! so where's your definitive proof that this is an original mold? listen! maybe your right! Or maybe I am! We won't know until we hear something definitive.
but in the meantime....he deffo looks like a heavy retool to me.
Delta Magnus wrote:This is because you are a hamhanded idiot.
Stuartmaximus wrote:Clearly a very heavy retool, + your willing to accept OTHER retools & remolds that are coming out....but cannot accept the fact that Sky Lynx MAY be a heavy retool of Silverbolt!(like they did with Cyclonus) + other people have made the same claim! so where's your definitive proof that this is an original mold? listen! maybe your right! Or maybe I am! We won't know until we hear something definitive.
but in the meantime....he deffo looks like a heavy retool to me.
Delta Magnus wrote:Yeah, this combiner-mania has to calm down a little.
Also for god's sake Hasbro STOP USING THE SAME MOLDS OVER AND OVER AGAIN IT'S GETTING SILLY ARGHARGAHGARH
(Seriously though, with Alpha Bravo, Blades, Vortex and the 2 helicopter limbs on Victorion, that's 5 uses of the AB mold.)
Syn_13 wrote:Delta Magnus wrote:Yeah, this combiner-mania has to calm down a little.
Also for god's sake Hasbro STOP USING THE SAME MOLDS OVER AND OVER AGAIN IT'S GETTING SILLY ARGHARGAHGARH
(Seriously though, with Alpha Bravo, Blades, Vortex and the 2 helicopter limbs on Victorion, that's 5 uses of the AB mold.)
I'm with you on this. I see the merit in some of the retools, but they're going over the top now. It really should be no more than 2 characters per mould. Ideally one on each faction.
I kind of accepted it with Superion, because there's only so many ways to do a jet really, and all 3 are ever so slightly different to one another. Then comes Menasor who has 3 distinct limbs, as well. I get the reasoning therefore to add Alpha Bravo and Offroad into the mix to change things up. I like the figures and have bought them, however I will display the combiners with Slingshot and Wildrider. I don't mind these 2 guys being retools either, because I get that they weren't originally intended for the series, so Takara decided to retool the closest moulds. It's fine by me.
Then you get Defensor. I actually don't have a problem with the Blades and First Aid retools because, as far as I'm concerned, Offroad and Alpha Bravo won't feature in my combiner line ups. So in a way they're like the original moulds to me. Streetwise is a little annoying as I've already got both Dead End and Wildrider in that mould, however again you have to consider that Wildrider wasn't orginally intended for the line at retail.
Most of Bruticus is good. Onslaught and Swindle are really clever retools and Brawl is a nice new mould. However I look at Blast Off and Vortex and start getting fed up with the retools. If they hadn't have done Alpha Bravo, I would've been okay with another helicopter mould. Unlike Wildrider and Slingshot all 3 helicopter moulds have been part of the main line, and that just feels like laziness on Hasbro's part to me. A new chopper design would've been great, or perhaps something different for Alpha Bravo. Blast Off being a jet doesn't bother me (I'm more bothered by his face being wrong), but it's just that I'm fed up of jets now. Yes, it's only the 2nd version of the Skydive jet, but these jets are so similar that I feel like we're getting jets coming out of our ears! This is part of the reason why I'm sticking with my FoC Bruticus (with 3P add-ons), just to change the scenery up a little. The only time I'll have more than 2 moulds will just have to be Streetwise/Dead End/Wildrider.
Then you have all the extra Autobot combiners. Nothing more than a gimmick really, and it's quite frankly frustrating to see such overkill in the use of these moulds. Also, you've got Victorion. I really think Hasbro should've done something special here and make brand spanking new moulds, like with Windblade, just to get people invested. I don't think fans are excited to simply pick up even more retools, even with the unique selling point of it being a female combiner.
steals_your_goats wrote:If this is honestly a retool then at that point can't we just call it a new mould? There's so many differences between the two that the only similarities are the tail fins and the under kibble. To me it seems like it would've just been easier to use a new mould instead of doing this much retooling.
prjkt wrote:Optimus Maximus: Nope. Not Thunderclashy enough in colours for me (Leg’s need to be maroon) and I don’t get the head sculpt. Who is this actually supposed to represent? Can’t justify it atm.
Yotsuyasan wrote:Stuartmaximus wrote:Clearly a very heavy retool, + your willing to accept OTHER retools & remolds that are coming out....but cannot accept the fact that Sky Lynx MAY be a heavy retool of Silverbolt!(like they did with Cyclonus) + other people have made the same claim! so where's your definitive proof that this is an original mold? listen! maybe your right! Or maybe I am! We won't know until we hear something definitive.
but in the meantime....he deffo looks like a heavy retool to me.
Sorry, but no, Sky Lynx is a whole new mold. Oh no, he's an aircraft with a lot of folded up junk underneath!* That describes a lot of aircraft based Transformers, not just the Combiner Wars Silverbolt. Are all such figures retools of one another? Does that mean that Combiner Wars Silverbolt was a heavy retool of Dark of the Moon Jetfire? It's so obvious! Just like it is with Silverbolt and Sky Lynx!
We'll just ignore the fact that they look completely different, have zero obvious parts in common, transform completely differently, and don't even transform into remotely the same thing. (A robot vs. a four legged bird-ish beast.)
They are so obviously the same toy!
*Although at least, for once, the junk underneath the aircraft is supposed to be there!
Stuartmaximus wrote:First of all...a heavy retool doesn't HAVE to take on a two arms & legs form(yes...in much the way Cyclonus has) there's no law that governs that a heavy retool HAS to look like that from it's original mold(in this case...Silverbolt), but as I stated before....you could be right....or maybe I could....We won't know til we hear from the officials! & whether it turns out to be a heavy retool or not.....it's not gonna stop you buying the bloody thing! when it comes out
Obviously the heavy retool theory goes out the window if the base seperates(of yet we've to find that out too!).
Stuartmaximus wrote::HEADHURTS:Yotsuyasan wrote:Stuartmaximus wrote:Clearly a very heavy retool, + your willing to accept OTHER retools & remolds that are coming out....but cannot accept the fact that Sky Lynx MAY be a heavy retool of Silverbolt!(like they did with Cyclonus) + other people have made the same claim! so where's your definitive proof that this is an original mold? listen! maybe your right! Or maybe I am! We won't know until we hear something definitive.
but in the meantime....he deffo looks like a heavy retool to me.
Sorry, but no, Sky Lynx is a whole new mold. Oh no, he's an aircraft with a lot of folded up junk underneath!* That describes a lot of aircraft based Transformers, not just the Combiner Wars Silverbolt. Are all such figures retools of one another? Does that mean that Combiner Wars Silverbolt was a heavy retool of Dark of the Moon Jetfire? It's so obvious! Just like it is with Silverbolt and Sky Lynx!
We'll just ignore the fact that they look completely different, have zero obvious parts in common, transform completely differently, and don't even transform into remotely the same thing. (A robot vs. a four legged bird-ish beast.)
They are so obviously the same toy!
*Although at least, for once, the junk underneath the aircraft is supposed to be there!
First of all...a heavy retool doesn't HAVE to take on a two arms & legs form(yes...in much the way Cyclonus has) there's no law that governs that a heavy retool HAS to look like that from it's original mold(in this case...Silverbolt), but as I stated before....you could be right....or maybe I could....We won't know til we hear from the officials! & whether it turns out to be a heavy retool or not.....it's not gonna stop you buying the bloody thing! when it comes out
Obviously the heavy retool theory goes out the window if the base seperates(of yet we've to find that out too!).
Yotsuyasan wrote:bvzxa wrote:So the same seven molds...so the same seven molds...so the same seven molds...so the same seven moldsDelta Magnus wrote:Also for god's sake Hasbro STOP USING THE SAME MOLDS OVER AND OVER AGAIN IT'S GETTING SILLY ARGHARGAHGARH
So basically, what you're saying is that you want to get less toys, then? And for the ones we do get to possibly be more expensive?
jay5 wrote:Yotsuyasan wrote:bvzxa wrote:So the same seven molds...so the same seven molds...so the same seven molds...so the same seven moldsDelta Magnus wrote:Also for god's sake Hasbro STOP USING THE SAME MOLDS OVER AND OVER AGAIN IT'S GETTING SILLY ARGHARGAHGARH
So basically, what you're saying is that you want to get less toys, then? And for the ones we do get to possibly be more expensive?
Yotsuyasan you seem to have a habit of taking umbrage at people with different opinions than yours and then put words in their mouth. No, they would not WANT them to be more expensive, nor would they WANT them to not exist. They would simply like the most logical thing, which is the same number of toys released while using unique molds for the ones that should not simply be re-treads of existing molds.
jay5 wrote:We know the realities of costs and marketing, but it is still a valid opinion to hold to desire something better.
jay5 wrote: The way you come across when you challenge someone's opinion by asking if they want something completely other than what they clearly mean, is like you have a cognitive dissonance. As if I were to ask why you WANT these Combiners to be re-treads. A reasonable person would assume you don't WANT them to be re-treads, you'd prefer like any reasonable person that they were unique molds that allowed them to more accurately model their namesakes from the G1 cartoon and toy line. So please stop assuming people who are disappointed at these Combiners being re-treads would WANT them to not exist at all or would WANT them to cost more. It's simply not the case.
Yotsuyasan wrote:And if someone does... Well, this is a discussion forum, is it not? Are we not supposed to discuss our opinions with one another? I thought that was what I was doing.
jay5 wrote:Yotsuyasan you seem to have a habit of taking umbrage at people with different opinions than yours and then put words in their mouth.
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