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Shadowman wrote:NuclearConvoy wrote:This makes about as much sense as shoehorning Galaxy Force into being a follow-up to Armada/Energon. Cybertron (the show that resulted from that bad idea) was just broken. The Humans didn't even remember there were robots on earth before, yeah cuz that makes sense after they had giant cities built with them. YEAH.
Basically all the inconsistencies were caused by Unicron being destroyed and creating a rip in time and space. Because that's perfectly reasonable.
NewFoundStarscreamLuv wrote:me and my friends combine all the time. Sometimes I even combine by myself if no one is around.
Hasbro Studios is personally handling the Prime cartoon. They ain't just a toy company anymore.Evil_the_Nub wrote:Shadowman wrote:NuclearConvoy wrote:This makes about as much sense as shoehorning Galaxy Force into being a follow-up to Armada/Energon. Cybertron (the show that resulted from that bad idea) was just broken. The Humans didn't even remember there were robots on earth before, yeah cuz that makes sense after they had giant cities built with them. YEAH.
Basically all the inconsistencies were caused by Unicron being destroyed and creating a rip in time and space. Because that's perfectly reasonable.
The Transformers equivalent of "a wizard did it"
How involved with with the movies, games, and cartoons is Hasbro anyway? This isn't the first time they've said something that blatantly contradicted with what was on screen. I wonder if they even watch them before they start answering questions about them.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Va'al wrote:I keep track of everyone. Backwards.
There are atandarfs to maintain.
LOST Cybertronian wrote:Hey, If Mindmaster survived then you should do just fine.
Hasbro wrote:---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 9:00 AM
Subject: From Hasbro's Transformers brand
Hello,
A question was recently posed to Hasbro’s UK office asking if the Transformers Prime television series and the Transformers War for Cybertron video game were in a connected continuity. Unfortunately the wrong answer was delivered and that answer has made its way to the fan community. The TRANSFORMERS brand team would like to confirm that Transformers War for Cybertron video game, Transformers Exodus novel, and the Transformers Prime television show are in the same aligned continuity. Hasbro is creating a single continuity to tell the bulk of our TRANSFORMERS stories going forward.
Please look for further details about the continuity plan and new projects over the next year.
Sincerely,
Joe Moscone
on behalf of Hasbro, Inc.
RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Getting into this a bit late, so most of what I could say has already been said. But still...
Why is Hasbro doing something this dumb? It's transformers. A single continuity is nigh-impossible and something we don't really want anyway! There's no good reason to shoehorn this all together, yet they are.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Autobahn Prime wrote:I'm sure this has been said before but, here I go: The GAME might work as a prequel to Prime if it weren't for the character desgign chaanges. If it weren't for that, it'd be fine from what I can tell. They jsut skipped a looooot in between the two if they are actually tied together. Like how did it become just those 6 (eventually 5) Autobots left on earth? It wouldn't work as aprequel to G1 because of 1) the reason they left Cybertron was different in the two and 2) the way Prime got the matrix was different.
Anyway, the BOOK, would be an almost PERFECT prequel for G1. The only plot hole (that I've noticed) is that there is never any reference to dark energon (that I know of) in G1. Supposedly Decepticons would go into a withdrawl type state when they didn't get enough. If that were true in G1, the Cons would've been going crazy after the pilot episode.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Actually, they've botched up the Multiversal Singualarity thing.SlyTF1 wrote:MOTHER FUUUUUUUUUUUUU *pulls out assult firles and starts shooting everything randomly* UUUUUUUUUUDGE!!! How!? Just how? None of it makes any sense! None of it connects in any way, but Hasbro wants to pass this crap off as the same? WFC and Exodus are totally different origin stories, but that want to say they're the same!!!??? I pray to fudge that they're still doing this multiverse singularity thing!
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Shadowman wrote:RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Getting into this a bit late, so most of what I could say has already been said. But still...
Why is Hasbro doing something this dumb? It's transformers. A single continuity is nigh-impossible and something we don't really want anyway! There's no good reason to shoehorn this all together, yet they are.
They're not trying to shoehorn everything together. In fact they've done a pretty good job of keeping the multiverse in proper order, if I'm not mistaken they've even got something similar to the Dewey Decimal System going on to sort everything. Even the Multiversal Singularities don't cause too much trouble. (Remember, killing the Fallen in one universe doesn't mean you killed him in another. There's a sequel hook for you, Michael Bay)
But trying to cram WfC and Prime into one continuity is a square peg in a round hole. And both the peg and the hole follow entirely different rules and contain materials that can't coexist in the same universe.
Rodimus2006 wrote:Think video games like Bioware they make Dragon Age & Mass Effect they are done under Bioware but they are done buy seperate teams only common thing they have they are owned by EA/Bioware.
Bradimus wrote:I read Exodus. I have not played WFC. From what I gather here, neither meshes with Prime, which I have seen.
It looks to me like Habro is trying to do what DC did in the original Crisis On Infinite Earths series: jam everything together into one new, single mess of a continuity that in the end makes no sense at all.
I don't understand the need to mesh everything together. I understand they are trying to figure out the best way to market their toy line, but what's wrong with keeping things separate?
Why not have just a movie-verse with its own toys and media?
Why not have a G1-verse made of homage updates that relate enough to the original cartoons and comics which they are in the process of releasing again?
Why not have an IDW-verse with it's own toys?
Why not have a new cartoon every half decade or so that tells it's own story with it's own toy line, even if that line is unique? That new cartoon-verse is what's going to grab the next generation of fans.
The part they are messing up is unfortunately the cartoon line. Animated was far too short. The toy line was incomplete. The story had room to grow for another few seasons, and even a sequel series along with a movie or two or three to break up the story arcs. Like Dragon Ball and the way Japan continued G1, a story can grow over time, old characters can evolve and leave, new characters can step in and take over the story, and the lifespan of one continuity can last close to a decade before the big finale of finales. Then they can take a few years off, just show reruns, complete the toy line, and develop the next universe to retell the story in a new way to a new generation.
So now they are rebooting with Prime, and that's fine with me. However, I find it too soon to do this. Animated should still be the cartoon right now. But it was scrapped, so here's Prime. But why does Prime have to be in sync with Exodus and WFC? And if they felt the need for Prime now, why not keep rolling Animated and make Prime for teens and adults, since that seems to be what it is right now anyway?
As mentioned earlier, Exodus loosely tells the story of the war. But this is very loose, an overview, really, and not a very good one (the war, the build up was decent). I would rather have had Exodus as a series of novels that go into great detail about the war, and in the process explore and unravel the mysteries of Cybertron in its own separate universe, with the war finding its way off Cybertron to other worlds, including Earth. As is, Exodus is merely a loose framework from which all current story lines can work off of, whether they do so perfectly or not. That's the impression the book gave me, and from what I'm seeing, that's what Hasbro intended.
The fact is, the movie is its own world. IDW is its own world. G1 is its own world. What's wrong with that? The toys will sell with or without media. Media does help, but it does not have to be a TV show or a movie, a simple series of internet comics or a novelization would be fine. Even mini comics included with the toys that tell their own small stories and connect to form a larger one would be enough. Kids need to read more anyway, so how about a toy line to accompany a series of novels? Kids read Harry Potter, so if done right won't they read Transformers too?
If Hasbro wants to believe everything is the same, good for them. We all know it's not, and they are actually hurting their marketing by trying to convince us otherwise, as gamers, readers (comics and/or novels), and TV watchers are not all necessarily interested in the same things. Hasbro should embrace that, expand their product accordingly, and watch as their profit margins go through the roof.
Cyberstrike wrote:Rodimus2006 wrote:Think video games like Bioware they make Dragon Age & Mass Effect they are done under Bioware but they are done buy seperate teams only common thing they have they are owned by EA/Bioware.
There are some links between Dragon Age and Mass Effect universes that hint at a shared universe, there is a statue of a Darkspawn Ogre in Hock's vault in Mass Effect 2: Kasumi-Stolen Memories DLC. Some one on Bioware's message boards once pointed out the Thedas' moon was a planet from Mass Effect 1. The Star metal that is forged into the Starfang in Dragon Age Origins-The Warden's Keep could have been from the remains of escape pod from an Alliance space ship.
Granted the first two are more likely "in-jokes" done by the designers for a laugh or just a way to save some money, but then Aliens vs. Predator comics and movies began as in-joke in Predator 2. The last one is just my speculation.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Dead Metal wrote:Also I believe the Mass Effect and Dragon Age thing is just a case of company in-jokes and Easter eggs. Valve do that in all of their games
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Cyberstrike wrote:Bradimus wrote:I read Exodus. I have not played WFC. From what I gather here, neither meshes with Prime, which I have seen.
It looks to me like Habro is trying to do what DC did in the original Crisis On Infinite Earths series: jam everything together into one new, single mess of a continuity that in the end makes no sense at all.
I don't understand the need to mesh everything together. I understand they are trying to figure out the best way to market their toy line, but what's wrong with keeping things separate?
Why not have just a movie-verse with its own toys and media?
Why not have a G1-verse made of homage updates that relate enough to the original cartoons and comics which they are in the process of releasing again?
Why not have an IDW-verse with it's own toys?
Why not have a new cartoon every half decade or so that tells it's own story with it's own toy line, even if that line is unique? That new cartoon-verse is what's going to grab the next generation of fans.
The part they are messing up is unfortunately the cartoon line. Animated was far too short. The toy line was incomplete. The story had room to grow for another few seasons, and even a sequel series along with a movie or two or three to break up the story arcs. Like Dragon Ball and the way Japan continued G1, a story can grow over time, old characters can evolve and leave, new characters can step in and take over the story, and the lifespan of one continuity can last close to a decade before the big finale of finales. Then they can take a few years off, just show reruns, complete the toy line, and develop the next universe to retell the story in a new way to a new generation.
So now they are rebooting with Prime, and that's fine with me. However, I find it too soon to do this. Animated should still be the cartoon right now. But it was scrapped, so here's Prime. But why does Prime have to be in sync with Exodus and WFC? And if they felt the need for Prime now, why not keep rolling Animated and make Prime for teens and adults, since that seems to be what it is right now anyway?
As mentioned earlier, Exodus loosely tells the story of the war. But this is very loose, an overview, really, and not a very good one (the war, the build up was decent). I would rather have had Exodus as a series of novels that go into great detail about the war, and in the process explore and unravel the mysteries of Cybertron in its own separate universe, with the war finding its way off Cybertron to other worlds, including Earth. As is, Exodus is merely a loose framework from which all current story lines can work off of, whether they do so perfectly or not. That's the impression the book gave me, and from what I'm seeing, that's what Hasbro intended.
The fact is, the movie is its own world. IDW is its own world. G1 is its own world. What's wrong with that? The toys will sell with or without media. Media does help, but it does not have to be a TV show or a movie, a simple series of internet comics or a novelization would be fine. Even mini comics included with the toys that tell their own small stories and connect to form a larger one would be enough. Kids need to read more anyway, so how about a toy line to accompany a series of novels? Kids read Harry Potter, so if done right won't they read Transformers too?
If Hasbro wants to believe everything is the same, good for them. We all know it's not, and they are actually hurting their marketing by trying to convince us otherwise, as gamers, readers (comics and/or novels), and TV watchers are not all necessarily interested in the same things. Hasbro should embrace that, expand their product accordingly, and watch as their profit margins go through the roof.
At the time DC did Crisis on Infinte Earths the DCU was simply next to impossible for new readers to figure out the DCU. Simply put DC needed to clean house and streamline things into a one universe. And IMHO DC made a LOT more sense from Crisis on Infinte Earths #12 to Infinte Crisis #1 IMHO one of the reasons that now of days DC sucks because of the revival of the multiverse.
I'm sorry but your idea of multiple lines and universes usually tends to get very confusing to casual, new, non-fans and even die hard fans and this idea can be a big turn off for them. Hasbro is trying to get into new media and are trying to attract new customers' attentions. A single unified universe is one way to that.
The problem is that Hasbro has yet to get people with tons of knowledge and some that don't and sit in a room and hammer out a single universe and that this also takes a LOT of time. In some cases years. I remember some one who worked on Bioware's Dragon Age: Origins video game it them over 6 years to develop the Dragon Age Universe and guess what? There still mistakes between the novels, games, and comics!
michael alex kawa wrote:War for Cybertron and Prime looks to different to be connected.If HASBRO had this planned they sould of just done a show based on WFC(kind of like STARWARS the Clone Wars).Instead they went with a MOVIE like design,and has that annoying Bumblebee
.Hate the face ,and that voice thing,in WFC he had a great head design,man Hasbro,what do we look like
Starscream GaGa wrote:so events such as Jetfire leaving
Starscream GaGa wrote:Cybertron (Primus?) tells Optimus that the Prime line had been corrupt before Optimus, which would explain why Cybertron was the one that passed the Matrix to Optimus Prime.
Starscream GaGa wrote:It is so obvious the intention was for WFC to be a prequel to the G1 cartoon, not the Prime cartoon, even the character designs are G1 and the references are all to G1.
Starscream GaGa wrote:Also, why do people keep on acting as though War For Cybertron and Exodus are one in the same? They were released at the same time but they tell two very different stories with only a few similarities. Not to mention Exodus, while interesting, wasn't exactly well written.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Except that Exodus hasn't anything to do with G1. It's part of the modern aligned canon with War For Cybertron and Prime.YoungPrime wrote:Exodus was a huge disappointment! It contradicts itself at many points. It was like the author took a transformer-wiki crash course on g1 history and ran with it. And this is supposed to be the g1 bible?
Even if you're not a continuity nerd this book will still leave you scratching your head from all of the bad character development.
If you haven't read this book, don't bother it will only tarnish what you thought you knew about G1 history!
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Except that Exodus hasn't anything to do with G1. It's part of the modern aligned canon with War For Cybertron and Prime.YoungPrime wrote:Exodus was a huge disappointment! It contradicts itself at many points. It was like the author took a transformer-wiki crash course on g1 history and ran with it. And this is supposed to be the g1 bible?
Even if you're not a continuity nerd this book will still leave you scratching your head from all of the bad character development.
If you haven't read this book, don't bother it will only tarnish what you thought you knew about G1 history!
Kenny28 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Except that Exodus hasn't anything to do with G1. It's part of the modern aligned canon with War For Cybertron and Prime.YoungPrime wrote:Exodus was a huge disappointment! It contradicts itself at many points. It was like the author took a transformer-wiki crash course on g1 history and ran with it. And this is supposed to be the g1 bible?
Even if you're not a continuity nerd this book will still leave you scratching your head from all of the bad character development.
If you haven't read this book, don't bother it will only tarnish what you thought you knew about G1 history!
Which it doesn't do a good job of either...
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