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Deadput wrote:

Rated X wrote:Why would Hasbro be compelled to spell Daniel backwards? Its a damn name how can anybody copyright or trademark it?

It might not be anything about Trademark it's probably just Hasbro coming up with a more robotic name for marketing purposes so basically this guy is not exactly Danial but a cybertronian homage to him.

When's the last time we got a human figure not including those "Statue" figures of the Prime kids?

Anyways it never made sense that a human could "fold" and transform into a head unless they were a cyborg or something which is part of why I prefer the Takara's take on the headmasters being extensions of the main robot or the headmasters being Cybertronian or minicons instead of Nubleans.

Oh you mean Takara's Masterforce cartoon where human kids "fold" into the heads of the Headmaster Juniors and the adults transform into the engines of the Godmasters? It's my favorite Transformers cartoon next to Beast Wars!

Black Hat wrote:Get your eyes checked.

Thanks I need to get new prescription glasses anyways.

But jokes aside it's just a toy of a character in a slightly new form it's just like any other Generations character that receives a new look like the 1984 Autobots in combiner wars.

That shockingly has a lot of paint apps, a lot of remodeling, and a great head.

Still prefer the Generations one though.

Kudos, !

Black Hat wrote:Oh dear lord that Arcee is absolutely terrible. The headsculpt isn't too bad I suppose, and the vehicle mode is better than I expected, but the robot mode... Quite aside from the see-through bra and complete lack of any resemblance to Arcee, those SHOULDERS. Argh.

I think it works pretty well. In a perfect world they would have retooled the generations arcee to accomodate a titan master but im ok with this. And the retooled shoulders were a pleasant suprise. I expected a straight up Blurr repaint. People have been asking for this repaint since Blurr got retooled into Brainstorm. Glad we got it.

Seibertron wrote:Oh you mean Takara's Masterforce cartoon where human kids "fold" into the heads of the Headmaster Juniors and the adults transform into the engines of the Godmasters? It's my favorite Transformers cartoon next to Beast Wars!

How they do it without breaking thier spine and ribs I'll never know I just know I'll never be a headmaster myself since I don't work out nor am I a special kid...well I am but I'm a different less special kind of special kid.


I think Masterforce is pretty good as well and I have the dvd from shout factory although I've only watched slightly over half the show and haven't finished it yet unfortunately. (Still like Headmasters slightly more...slightly)

Looks like Arcee to me. There's a wealth of similarities.

Rated X wrote:
Well as all other cybertronian technology, we will always compare it what seems realistic on our planet. In the cartoon, somhow the exosuits turned into heads that were somewhat hollow enough to be a cockpit for the nebulan. This meant the nebulan didnt have to be a circus performer that can fold into a pretzel. How they get from exosuit to cockpit is better left to the imagination.

Well all they did was scoop out the brains and borrowed some Gundamn schematics and woola... Not disturbing at all nope this is a children's show and we all know it's for the children because someone has to think of them.

(Yeah I'll take another few liters of rye and coke with extra rum please...no I don't need my medication either thanks bartender)

That Prime looks really good, and functional! I guess it's too much to hope that it's a rapid charging battery pack.

When Arcee was designed for the cartoon nobody thought there would be a toy. I think going with what they had to work with this is a fantastic figure. At least there won't be any problems with Arcee holding the guns.

Definitely think this arcee is miles ahead of the generations one. This one has proper hands, good proportions, a normal sized head instead of the generations bobblehead and doesn't have an enormous backpack. Just better all around and will totally be replacing my generations one.

Deadput wrote:

Seibertron wrote:Oh you mean Takara's Masterforce cartoon where human kids "fold" into the heads of the Headmaster Juniors and the adults transform into the engines of the Godmasters? It's my favorite Transformers cartoon next to Beast Wars!

How they do it without breaking thier spine and ribs I'll never know I just know I'll never be a headmaster myself since I don't work out nor am I a special kid...well I am but I'm a different less special kind of special kid.


I think Masterforce is pretty good as well and I have the dvd from shout factory although I've only watched slightly over half the show and haven't finished it yet unfortunately. (Still like Headmasters slightly more...slightly)

In Marvel's run, it was 'binary bonding' that facilitated the removal of several vertebrae and allow the contortions. There was a rumor that Marilyn Manson tried a similar procedure fifteen years or so ago to allow for a different kind of 'head'

Ugh thanks Hasbro but no thanks I'll be happy with my Arcee from the 30TH Toy line thank you

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Rated X wrote:

Deadput wrote:

Rated X wrote:Why would Hasbro be compelled to spell Daniel backwards? Its a damn name how can anybody copyright or trademark it?

It might not be anything about Trademark it's probably just Hasbro coming up with a more robotic name for marketing purposes so basically this guy is not exactly Danial but a cybertronian homage to him.

When's the last time we got a human figure not including those "Statue" figures of the Prime kids?

Anyways it never made sense that a human could "fold" and transform into a head unless they were a cyborg or something which is part of why I prefer the Takara's take on the headmasters being extensions of the main robot or the headmasters being Cybertronian or minicons instead of Nubleans.

Well as all other cybertronian technology, we will always compare it what seems realistic on our planet. In the cartoon, somhow the exosuits turned into heads that were somewhat hollow enough to be a cockpit for the nebulan. This meant the nebulan didnt have to be a circus performer that can fold into a pretzel. How they get from exosuit to cockpit is better left to the imagination.

Besides, I think Hasbro has mostly abandoned the 'organic in exo-suit' deal in the most part anyhow. All (or most) the Titans Return Titan Masters/Headmasters were all Cybertronian or, at the very least, robotic, which 'makes more sense' with our logic.

However, isn't fiction based on having suspension of disbelief anyhow? 'Coz if we're trying to make sense of every little thing regarding a franchise about killer robots from a distant planet, all the fun is taken outta it.

Eh, even suspension of disbelief has its limits. Fairly subjective on where the line is exactly, though.

Arcee's mold would've been a better Nautica than the one from the box set

Rated X wrote:Why would Hasbro be compelled to spell Daniel backwards? Its a damn name how can anybody copyright or trademark it?

You can't trademark it, it's too common, that's why they went with a made-up nonsense name instead that they could trademark.

Sent this as news to seibertron but wanted to post this. Promo MTG cards! Ones transformers related!

King Kuuga wrote:

Rated X wrote:Why would Hasbro be compelled to spell Daniel backwards? Its a damn name how can anybody copyright or trademark it?

You can't trademark it, it's too common, that's why they went with a made-up nonsense name instead that they could trademark.

Im not sure I understand the logic behind it. From a business perspective, not having to waste resources on tradmarking a name is a good thing. I wouldn't waste resources on trademarking something that cant technically be "stolen".

I think it falls under the same "can't sell it like that because it's too general" sort of thing that necessitates Autobot Ratchet and Special Ops Jazz.

Frankly I'm just glad the Titan Master is technically not Daniel so I don't have to remember that... very uncomfortable relationship they had in The Rebirth. What was up with that...?

Kurona wrote:Frankly I'm just glad the Titan Master is technically not Daniel so I don't have to remember that... very uncomfortable relationship they had in The Rebirth. What was up with that...?

Ah it's just an Aunt and Nephew relationship nothing mo-ohhhh hey wait a second...

Arguing over whether the Thrilling 30 Arcee or this one is the better figure is missing the point.

The former figure was the almost-Dery-accurate toy we'd wanted for 28 years, so instead of trying to top it, the only logical way to follow up is an Arcee that homages the two toys we almost got in G1: the Blurr remold and the Chromedome repaint!

Perfect choice IMO, and I slaggin' HATE The Rebirth precisely because making a her a headmaster at the last minute is probably what denied us proper toy for so long; with fandom divided over whether or not her head should turn into Daniel, Hasbro got the message that there was no pleasing everyone, so we got nothing for three decades.

But with so many Arcees to chose from now, that's all water under the bridge. Here's hoping this gets repainted into the rainbow-sherbert colors of the Blurr prototype!

will rc be available to purchase some other way in the future? i would like the figure but cant go to this con.

Rated X wrote:

King Kuuga wrote:

Rated X wrote:Why would Hasbro be compelled to spell Daniel backwards? Its a damn name how can anybody copyright or trademark it?

You can't trademark it, it's too common, that's why they went with a made-up nonsense name instead that they could trademark.

Im not sure I understand the logic behind it. From a business perspective, not having to waste resources on tradmarking a name is a good thing. I wouldn't waste resources on trademarking something that cant technically be "stolen".

It's more to protect the uniqueness of a given character, otherwise other companies can use that character for KO's without Hasbro being able to do anything.

Not everyone wants that.

Man, that arcee looks n i c e. My only gripe is that I wish they'd used that remolded cockpit/nosecone/bonnet section for Nautica too, I think a slightly shorter and more rounded front would have suited her vehicle mode a lot better! The tooling probably hadn't even been designed at that point though to be fair.
Also, I'm... kinda disappointed that it's an exclusive? I get that Hascon is trying to appeal to more of a family market, but to me the beauty of Botcon exclusives was that for the most part they were bizarre niche fan indulgence. Fantastic for those who wanted them and made sense for the Botcon demographic, but those who couldn't make it/afford the aftermarket price didnt really miss out. There was generally a sense of "this would never have happened if it weren't for botcon and the shocking levels of nerdery our team has". This though feels more like "we could have easily released this at general retail and made it widely available, but we felt like making it expensive and hard to get a hold of just for a laugh". IDK, maybe I'm just bitter that it'll likely be difficult/impossible for me to nab one, but I feel like the criticism is at least partially justified...

ArmadaPrime wrote:Also, I'm... kinda disappointed that it's an exclusive? I get that Hascon is trying to appeal to more of a family market, but to me the beauty of Botcon exclusives was that for the most part they were bizarre niche fan indulgence. Fantastic for those who wanted them and made sense for the Botcon demographic, but those who couldn't make it/afford the aftermarket price didnt really miss out. There was generally a sense of "this would never have happened if it weren't for botcon and the shocking levels of nerdery our team has". This though feels more like "we could have easily released this at general retail and made it widely available, but we felt like making it expensive and hard to get a hold of just for a laugh". IDK, maybe I'm just bitter that it'll likely be difficult/impossible for me to nab one, but I feel like the criticism is at least partially justified...

griftimus prime wrote:will rc be available to purchase some other way in the future? i would like the figure but cant go to this con.

It's not an exclusive, don't worry. It's simply that you can get it at HasCon earlier than at other vendors -- it'll be available in some other form later; likely as some sort of exclusive to Walgreens or Walmart or something.

Kurona wrote:It's not an exclusive, don't worry. It's simply that you can get it at HasCon earlier than at other vendors -- it'll be available in some other form later; likely as some sort of exclusive to Walgreens or Walmart or something.

I stand corrected and duly apologise for my sleep-deprived ramble. Very glad this is the case as this version of arcee looks absolutely ace (plus I've always been in the "rebirth was fun, headmaster daniel is a pretty neat idea" crowd)!