RiddlerJ wrote:Each one will come with an autographed picture of Michael Bay sitting on top of a huge pile of money.
RhA wrote:Seriously, they're just movies.
Seriously.
Burn wrote:RhA wrote:Seriously, they're just movies.
Seriously.
Which kids loved.
BeastProwl wrote:ITS A FREAKING DYSNEY MOVIE!
BeastProwl wrote:you want explosions and all that jizz, watch cars 2!
BeastProwl wrote:And, when he stopped and lost the race to save the king and his career? That right there, was the best freakin scene in the whole film.
RiddlerJ wrote:Each one will come with an autographed picture of Michael Bay sitting on top of a huge pile of money.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
cotss2012 wrote:The Bayformers movies are stupid, but they're stupid in completely original ways. I have never, in all my years of movie-watching, seen a movie in which a human dies and goes to Robot Heaven, and all of the giant angel robots bring him back to life because he earned the key to a sun-destroying machine through his courage or whatever. It's stupid, but it's an awesome kind of stupid that I've never seen before.
Shadowman wrote:Is this going to be a theme? You just complaining about everything you don't like on here? Because I can't recall one post of yours so far that has been positive about the subject matter.
SlyTF1 wrote:This "robot heaven" is called the Well of Allsparks. Sam didn't go to the Well.
RiddlerJ wrote:Each one will come with an autographed picture of Michael Bay sitting on top of a huge pile of money.
SlyTF1 wrote:And I agree, Cars sucks ass. I've not seen the movies, but I will not withhold my judgement. I saw part of it though, and it sucked.
cotss2012 wrote:Shadowman wrote:Is this going to be a theme? You just complaining about everything you don't like on here? Because I can't recall one post of yours so far that has been positive about the subject matter.
I have repeatedly mentioned that TF Prime is awesome.SlyTF1 wrote:This "robot heaven" is called the Well of Allsparks. Sam didn't go to the Well.
Funny how that wasn't actually mentioned in the movie.
NewFoundStarscreamLuv wrote:me and my friends combine all the time. Sometimes I even combine by myself if no one is around.
SlyTF1 wrote:cotss2012 wrote:The Bayformers movies are stupid, but they're stupid in completely original ways. I have never, in all my years of movie-watching, seen a movie in which a human dies and goes to Robot Heaven, and all of the giant angel robots bring him back to life because he earned the key to a sun-destroying machine through his courage or whatever. It's stupid, but it's an awesome kind of stupid that I've never seen before.
First of all, I'm sick and damn tired of TF fans playing stupid to magnify the absurdity of a simple moment. This "robot heaven" is called the Well of Allsparks. Sam didn't go to the Well. All the knowledge from the Allspark that had embedded itself in Sam's brain, which held the collective wisdom of the first 13 (or 7)produced a VISION in his damn brain. What the Primes knew was in HIS HEAD. And apparently he began to understand what the Allspark was trying to tell him all along, damnit!
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
Evil_the_Nub wrote:cotss2012 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:This "robot heaven" is called the Well of Allsparks. Sam didn't go to the Well.
Funny how that wasn't actually mentioned in the movie.
Neither was Robot Heaven,
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:cotss2012 wrote:The Bayformers movies are stupid, but they're stupid in completely original ways. I have never, in all my years of movie-watching, seen a movie in which a human dies and goes to Robot Heaven, and all of the giant angel robots bring him back to life because he earned the key to a sun-destroying machine through his courage or whatever. It's stupid, but it's an awesome kind of stupid that I've never seen before.
First of all, I'm sick and damn tired of TF fans playing stupid to magnify the absurdity of a simple moment. This "robot heaven" is called the Well of Allsparks. Sam didn't go to the Well. All the knowledge from the Allspark that had embedded itself in Sam's brain, which held the collective wisdom of the first 13 (or 7)produced a VISION in his damn brain. What the Primes knew was in HIS HEAD. And apparently he began to understand what the Allspark was trying to tell him all along, damnit!
that might be your interpretation of those scenes, and it might be what the film makers intended...................but if that is the case, they did a very poor job of conveying that message on film.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Dead Metal wrote:The Fallen, Megatron, and the Doctor/Scalpel all said that the knowledge of the Allspark was embedded in Sams brain...
RiddlerJ wrote:Each one will come with an autographed picture of Michael Bay sitting on top of a huge pile of money.
cotss2012 wrote:Dead Metal wrote:The Fallen, Megatron, and the Doctor/Scalpel all said that the knowledge of the Allspark was embedded in Sams brain...
...which has jack all to do with dying, going to heaven, and finding a bunch of robot angels waiting for you.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Dead Metal wrote:The Fallen, Megatron, and the Doctor/Scalpel all said that the knowledge of the Allspark was embedded in Sams brain, they even try to cut his brain out of his head to get to it.
Dead Metal wrote:Except that after death your brain stays active for a few moments, and keeping in mind that "robot heaven" is the Allspark, which was in his head at the time, he was you know in his own mind.
Also those weren't Angels, but the Primes, which I'm sure you're familiar with.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Dead Metal wrote:The Fallen, Megatron, and the Doctor/Scalpel all said that the knowledge of the Allspark was embedded in Sams brain, they even try to cut his brain out of his head to get to it.
I really dont see how that counters what I said.
the place Sam went when he died appeared to be a ROBOT HEAVEN, its how they depicted it.
sure, some of us long term fans can see past that and see their possible intent because we have a greater understanding of the tf myth, but the lay person ising going to see that.
the lay person saw robot heaven, .
Dead Metal wrote:Except that after death your brain stays active for a few moments, and keeping in mind that "robot heaven" is the Allspark, which was in his head at the time, he was you know in his own mind.
Also those weren't Angels, but the Primes, which I'm sure you're familiar with.
which wasnt presented any differently from the "all so many" outer body experiences and white tunnel images that we have seen in so many tv shows and movies.
And in depiction a robot heaven,the long dead Primes would have been viewed as angles,gods or ghosts.
I'll say again, if they intended that as a "allspark vision", they did an extremely poor job of conveying that message on film.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Dead Metal wrote:sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Dead Metal wrote:The Fallen, Megatron, and the Doctor/Scalpel all said that the knowledge of the Allspark was embedded in Sams brain, they even try to cut his brain out of his head to get to it.
I really dont see how that counters what I said.
the place Sam went when he died appeared to be a ROBOT HEAVEN, its how they depicted it.
sure, some of us long term fans can see past that and see their possible intent because we have a greater understanding of the tf myth, but the lay person ising going to see that.
the lay person saw robot heaven, .
My friends I went to go see it with, who have no idea of Transformers and keep asking me questions about meaningless crap in these films, they didn't see robot heaven. They saw a vision of the dead Primes Sam had.Dead Metal wrote:Except that after death your brain stays active for a few moments, and keeping in mind that "robot heaven" is the Allspark, which was in his head at the time, he was you know in his own mind.
Also those weren't Angels, but the Primes, which I'm sure you're familiar with.
which wasnt presented any differently from the "all so many" outer body experiences and white tunnel images that we have seen in so many tv shows and movies.
And in depiction a robot heaven,the long dead Primes would have been viewed as angles,gods or ghosts.
I'll say again, if they intended that as a "allspark vision", they did an extremely poor job of conveying that message on film.
Yes, people would view the dead Primes as angels, if they had the memory of a goldfish and forgot about the many times they where brought up and shown in the movie up to that point.
Dead Metal wrote:My friends I went to go see it with, who have no idea of Transformers and keep asking me questions about meaningless crap in these films, they didn't see robot heaven. They saw a vision of the dead Primes Sam had.
Yes, people would view the dead Primes as angels, if they had the memory of a goldfish and forgot about the many times they where brought up and shown in the movie up to that point.
Also I replied to your post, which to me, sounded like you questioned the thing about Sam having the knowledge of the Allspark. Upon reading the full post again, I see that you questioned the vision being a vision.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
SlyTF1 wrote:And if that wasn't enough, the Primes said that Optimus was their last descendent in the same scene.
Burn wrote:I can't believe even this thread has devolved into "let's pick apart the flaws of the TF movies".
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
Burn wrote:I can't believe even this thread has devolved into "let's pick apart the flaws of the TF movies".
RiddlerJ wrote:Each one will come with an autographed picture of Michael Bay sitting on top of a huge pile of money.
cotss2012 wrote:Burn wrote:I can't believe even this thread has devolved into "let's pick apart the flaws of the TF movies".
Yeah, it's not like I mentioned a few of them in the OP or anything
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