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SlyTF1 wrote:Thats what I'm saying! Take that stick out your ass and realize that the franchise is more alive than ever.

Thanks! You're right, people get waaayyyy too defensive about things. I'm loving this time in TF history right now.

SlyTF1 wrote:..and G1 was a crapload of corny.

...I can't disagree with this as much as I'd like to...

Counterpunch wrote:

Sky-Quake wrote:I'm liking some aspects of it such as the generations but I'm hating the fact Hasbro is becoming more of an entertainment company rather than just a toy company and how every thing is based of Michael Bay's crap fest I miss the days when everything was based of G1 or Beastwars respectively I like the powercore combiners as it is a completely new concept and is the way minicons should have been years agohonestly the last time transformers had a somewhat golden age was 2000-2005 now we pretty much at a bronze age after energon things got pretty stupid with cybertron and now the movie verse crap

What? The Cybertron toys are widely considered to be the best of the Armada triology toys. They capped off that golden age with great sculpts, a huge cast, and a large diversity in toy types.

the toys were good but the back story, bios and show were horrible but this is my opinion

Sky-Quake wrote:the toys were good but the back story, bios and show were horrible but this is my opinion

Personally, I really liked "Cybertron". Cool CGI animation, what I thought was a good story, and a ton of characters. Plus, a whole load of really stereotypical accents! GREAT!

Energon Is My Drug wrote:

Sky-Quake wrote:the toys were good but the back story, bios and show were horrible but this is my opinion

Personally, I really liked "Cybertron". Cool CGI animation, what I thought was a good story, and a ton of characters. Plus, a whole load of really stereotypical accents! GREAT!

Thats what bugged me about Cybertron. Every one had a diferent accent. And then people call Bay racist when robots talk slang. And no one complained when they have actual accents...people.

Transformers sucks.

Haha no seriously.

Transformers, like any hobby, should be something everyone enjoys on their own personal level. It's all about you. And right now, you can pretty much enjoy Transformers through any medium - toys, video games, comics, and etc. Even this website, it's a haven for Transformers fans.

Whether you like it or not, Transformers is always going skyward. Enjoy the ride.

SlyTF1 wrote:

Energon Is My Drug wrote:

Sky-Quake wrote:the toys were good but the back story, bios and show were horrible but this is my opinion

Personally, I really liked "Cybertron". Cool CGI animation, what I thought was a good story, and a ton of characters. Plus, a whole load of really stereotypical accents! GREAT!

Thats what bugged me about Cybertron. Every one had a diferent accent. And then people call Bay racist when robots talk slang. And no one complained when they have actual accents...people.

What?

There's a logical disconnect in there that I am too tired to work out.

Counterpunch wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

Energon Is My Drug wrote:

Sky-Quake wrote:the toys were good but the back story, bios and show were horrible but this is my opinion

Personally, I really liked "Cybertron". Cool CGI animation, what I thought was a good story, and a ton of characters. Plus, a whole load of really stereotypical accents! GREAT!

Thats what bugged me about Cybertron. Every one had a diferent accent. And then people call Bay racist when robots talk slang. And no one complained when they have actual accents...people.

What?

There's a logical disconnect in there that I am too tired to work out.

I think it's more an example of missing the point than an honest disconnect. (Not intended for you CP, so go easy on me.)
In Cybertron they had different accents to underscore the notion that the various Transformers came from various places to battle a common threat. The concept was the same as having a story deal with all the earths' nations uniting to save the human race as opposed to just saving the US or Sweden. The various robots had various accents to accentuate their differences of origin and cultures despite them all being Transformers.

Bay's twins were just stupid, and were the Jar Jars of the movieverse: intended to be universally loved, and when it turned out that people didn't universally love them, they were backpeddeled into being jokes that somehow no one got.

Portraying various groups coming together for the betterment of the entire species (as seen in Cybertron) is not racist.
Making fun of a group of people, even if it's parodical, (as is alleged in the Bay movies) can be seen as being racist. If the twins were supposed to be take offs on like, white suburban kids who think they're ghetto, that's just as racist as if they are supposed to be blacks who think they're ghetto.

Dagon wrote:I think it's more an example of missing the point than an honest disconnect. (Not intended for you CP, so go easy on me.)
In Cybertron they had different accents to underscore the notion that the various Transformers came from various places to battle a common threat. The concept was the same as having a story deal with all the earths' nations uniting to save the human race as opposed to just saving the US or Sweden. The various robots had various accents to accentuate their differences of origin and cultures despite them all being Transformers.

Bay's twins were just stupid, and were the Jar Jars of the movieverse: intended to be universally loved, and when it turned out that people didn't universally love them, they were backpeddeled into being jokes that somehow no one got.

Portraying various groups coming together for the betterment of the entire species (as seen in Cybertron) is not racist.
Making fun of a group of people, even if it's parodical, (as is alleged in the Bay movies) can be seen as being racist. If the twins were supposed to be take offs on like, white suburban kids who think they're ghetto, that's just as racist as if they are supposed to be blacks who think they're ghetto.

Yeah, I guess Bay wanted to connect with the "Urban Market" via the "Subran Market", which is ridiculous since the movie's popularity translated extremely well globally. Hell, it's not like GI Joe where you clearly see what audience they're catering to. The ultimate fact that Transformers have barely, if any, clearly visible ethic connections makes it so widely loved.

Also, the Twins should've been based more so on a profession than stereo type. Like the Animated constructicons.

Chupacabra Convoy wrote:

Dagon wrote:I think it's more an example of missing the point than an honest disconnect. (Not intended for you CP, so go easy on me.)
In Cybertron they had different accents to underscore the notion that the various Transformers came from various places to battle a common threat. The concept was the same as having a story deal with all the earths' nations uniting to save the human race as opposed to just saving the US or Sweden. The various robots had various accents to accentuate their differences of origin and cultures despite them all being Transformers.

Bay's twins were just stupid, and were the Jar Jars of the movieverse: intended to be universally loved, and when it turned out that people didn't universally love them, they were backpeddeled into being jokes that somehow no one got.

Portraying various groups coming together for the betterment of the entire species (as seen in Cybertron) is not racist.
Making fun of a group of people, even if it's parodical, (as is alleged in the Bay movies) can be seen as being racist. If the twins were supposed to be take offs on like, white suburban kids who think they're ghetto, that's just as racist as if they are supposed to be blacks who think they're ghetto.

Yeah, I guess Bay wanted to connect with the "Urban Market" via the "Subran Market", which is ridiculous since the movie's popularity translated extremely well globally. Hell, it's not like GI Joe where you clearly see what audience they're catering to. The ultimate fact that Transformers have barely, if any, clearly visible ethic connections makes it so widely loved.

Also, the Twins should've been based more so on a profession than stereo type. Like the Animated constructicons.

I can't argue at all Chupacabra. But I guess the problem there was what kind of connotations ice cream service techinicians carry as a group of professionals. I just think of Clint Howard....

Dagon wrote:

Chupacabra Convoy wrote:

Dagon wrote:I think it's more an example of missing the point than an honest disconnect. (Not intended for you CP, so go easy on me.)
In Cybertron they had different accents to underscore the notion that the various Transformers came from various places to battle a common threat. The concept was the same as having a story deal with all the earths' nations uniting to save the human race as opposed to just saving the US or Sweden. The various robots had various accents to accentuate their differences of origin and cultures despite them all being Transformers.

Bay's twins were just stupid, and were the Jar Jars of the movieverse: intended to be universally loved, and when it turned out that people didn't universally love them, they were backpeddeled into being jokes that somehow no one got.

Portraying various groups coming together for the betterment of the entire species (as seen in Cybertron) is not racist.
Making fun of a group of people, even if it's parodical, (as is alleged in the Bay movies) can be seen as being racist. If the twins were supposed to be take offs on like, white suburban kids who think they're ghetto, that's just as racist as if they are supposed to be blacks who think they're ghetto.

Yeah, I guess Bay wanted to connect with the "Urban Market" via the "Subran Market", which is ridiculous since the movie's popularity translated extremely well globally. Hell, it's not like GI Joe where you clearly see what audience they're catering to. The ultimate fact that Transformers have barely, if any, clearly visible ethic connections makes it so widely loved.

Also, the Twins should've been based more so on a profession than stereo type. Like the Animated constructicons.

I can't argue at all Chupacabra. But I guess the problem there was what kind of connotations ice cream service techinicians carry as a group of professionals. I just think of Clint Howard....

Yeah, okay. It's better, but I'm not sure by how much more. Hmmm... maybe they should've been more like laurel and hardy then?

I found out last night & this morning from wiki that Hasbro's attitude towards ignoring existing fluff/backstory has been going on since day 1. This, I guess, has kept dead characters alive for each new generation of fans to investigate,and old ones to revisit,so this is good,and Ironically,exactly what I want for my favourite characters.

Many of the rewrites are regurgitating same-old-same-olds,tho. Others have taken irreplaceable things away and left them that way-unreplaced.

Multi-continuities is fine.The time war,tho an unfortunate necessicity of rewriting,works better than fine,but many revisions of Optimus and his latest crew could have been someone else,somewhere else,progressively moving through their own trials of passage/fire to eventually hook up with Optimus and his army group against the various threats to Cybertron.

Choosing which Optimus & gang to rename, I admit, can be a tricky proposition. Animated could have been a safer example, since it's already getting rewritten immediately with Prime.It could have been set as is, on Cybertron/in Cybertronian space or been remolded into the speed planet,junk planet or whatever other place.The story of Animated Optimus could have been the story of Canon Ultra Magnus,Huffer,Trailbreaker,Unicron trilogy Metroplex,Darkmount- anybody.

My personal admiration and connection point towards TFs came from the G1 Tech Specs.To me,these were the most intelligent,realistic communicades I have ever recieved from the TF universe.They stimulated creative thinking and promoted alternate thinking and they are my reason to yell at new writers to LOOK AT G1.I want kids to always have messages like that in their toys.
The cartoon gave me examples of what my toys did before I got my hands on them,but it was an 8o's cartoon,as cool as it was dumb- the Tech Specs were the real nexus: one of the few times an adult explained a toy to a kid in adult terms.Since then,paralell thinking and alternate mode use have been mainstay thinking to me.They become my version of the wonders of technology that I want to share with new people in my world,and do.

I would very much appreciate one timeline in the center of it all for the rest to orbit around, so the tech specs can be allowed to seed and branch out on their own,which I disagree has happened.Tho I understand and therefore accept and observe the seperate continuities,too,I'd prefer many to look at satellite TF groups who are on their own,in the common dilemma.

Override's story, the jungle planet story,the Beast Wars Tfs who crashed on other continents, who may consist of tribes who are neither Maximals nor Predacons.The consequences of Cybertrons' reconnection to the Giant planet. The events on the Junk planet once Wreck-Gar,the chieftain, went off jaunting with the Autobots. Sentinels' herding of the Cybertron elite guard during the war.The great war of Cybertron where the Autobots were betrayed by General Thrust.

Nothing stops these from becoming one continuity consisting of multiple continuites (as opposed to multiple half-
continuities resulting in no continuity). The kids of today are both tribal and parallel thinkers,but pop culturists as well.
I don't see why a 'pop' toyline zooming in on Primes' group shouldn't have linked,but disconnected satellite toy lines all heading forward in the same calendar,EVENTUALLY learning about Optimus and deciding whether they care or not independantly.Unhurried storytelling and temporary alliances leave options open for groups to meet and then part ways again,extending the last chapter into infinity if desired.
Any one bot can be redesigned at any time. Any subgroup can be rethemed at any given point and would need a major event to to it,therefore generating 'cliffhanger episodes' and ratings.Stragglers and die hards to the old ways can always straggle and be picked up at any later point to revive any lost classic.

Further,Primes can finally die,and be replaced by new Primes,as can all other leaders.