The Toys R Us Troubles Thread
Re: The ToysRUs Troubles Thread
Posted by Emerje Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:55 pm
KB closing in general was much more devastating to me, I bought a ton of stuff from them and their 3/$10 bins. Since my only real experience with TRU was after I was 16 and working (and could convince my brother to drive me) and most of this experience was nothing but disappointment, I really can't say I'm going to miss them.
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Re: The ToysRUs Troubles Thread
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Re: The ToysRUs Troubles Thread
Posted by tmthor Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:37 pm
chuckdawg1999 wrote:I don't know if this will happen but I've heard that with the liquidation TRUs might close without notice and without going out of business sales.
I have heard some may just close but the logistics of shipping product around is expensive so I doubt that it will happen that way
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Re: The ToysRUs Troubles Thread
Posted by tmthor Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:53 pm
Basically seems like if it was old they still have it but the new stuff is going fast people are not waiting for clearance so if you want something better hurry and not wait
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Re: The ToysRUs Troubles Thread
Posted by william-james88 Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:19 pm
chuckdawg1999 wrote:I don't know if this will happen but I've heard that with the liquidation TRUs might close without notice and without going out of business sales.
Yes, they are burning through millions every month to keep stores open, some might just close to stop losing money. They could just mass sell their toys to a discount outlet.
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Re: The ToysRUs Troubles Thread
Posted by WreckerJack Sat Mar 17, 2018 4:05 am
william-james88 wrote:chuckdawg1999 wrote:I don't know if this will happen but I've heard that with the liquidation TRUs might close without notice and without going out of business sales.
Yes, they are burning through millions every month to keep stores open, some might just close to stop losing money. They could just mass sell their toys to a discount outlet.
Like I said a few days ago - keep your eyes peeled at Ross and TJmaxx.
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Re: The ToysRUs Troubles Thread
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Re: The ToysRUs Troubles Thread
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Re: The ToysRUs Troubles Thread
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Re: The ToysRUs Troubles Thread
Posted by tmthor Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:05 pm
Just read on another site the legally the sale would also hinge on the creditors ie Mattel being owed the most and with the Bab blood between MGA and Mattel they might say "blank" you liquidate and give us as much as you can
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Re: The ToysRUs Troubles Thread
Posted by william-james88 Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:37 pm
tmthor wrote:Some sites are saying the Canada sale will probably not happen or at least the 200 American stores part won't
Yeah, the 200 stores part opens so many issues, its not longer clean. With just selling the canadian part, its a whole company run on its own. Like Proctor and Gamble selling a product/subsidiary. Its just equity.
But with the 200 US stores, then you open yourself up to the same trouble you already have, plus the debt. With TRU Canada, you would just sell the business and use the money you got from the sale to pay what is owed.
I know the MGA offer did not have the 200 stores as part of it and many other investors are interested in the Canadian subsidiary (as far as the financial times say) just not the US portion.
And anyways, the 200 store number is pretty arbitrary, the document says any additional store aside from the canadian equity is up to the bidder:
Bids for Canadian Equity: A Qualified Bid must offer to purchase at least the Canadian Equity, and may also identify which, if any, subset of the Debtors’ U.S. stores it proposes to purchase. A single bidder or group of bidders may submit a Bid.
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Re: The ToysRUs Troubles Thread
Posted by WreckerJack Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:59 pm
chuckdawg1999 wrote:I do a lot of surveys online for points that can be redeemed for various gift cards like TRU. Today I got a notice from one of my sites that TRU will stop accepting gift cards on April 15th. I'm not sure if this is 100% accurate and I don't know if that includes reward coupons like the $5 one I have.
I'd spend any TRU giftcards or store credit as soon as you can rather than it go to waste.
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Re: The ToysRUs Troubles Thread
Posted by Simplify Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:30 am
The Cause and Consequences of the Retail Apocalypse"
Private equity firms overburdened businesses with debt, and now workers are paying the price. Will policymakers do anything about it?
By DAVID DAYEN, The New Republic, Nov. 14, 2018
[...] RadioShack, The Limited, Payless, and Toys 'R' Us are among 19 retail bankruptcies this year. Some point to Amazon and other online retailers for wrestling away market share, but e-commerce sales in the second quarter of 2017 only hit 8.9 percent of total sales. There’s still plenty of opportunity for retail outlets with physical space.
The real reason so many companies are sick, as Bloomberg explained in a recent feature, has to do with debt. Private equity firms purchased numerous chain retailers over the past decade, loading them up with unsustainable debt payments as part of a disastrous business strategy.
Damn you, Cyclomney.
Buyout managers, including Bain Capital and longtime firm Kohlberg Kravis Roberts, stripped out nearly $2 billion in cash while debt levels rose.
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Re: The ToysRUs Troubles Thread
Posted by Chibi Starscream Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:20 am
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:My wife went to our local TRU today and the employees there are well caught up with the current news upon being asked. Furthermore, they're expressing hope that the Canadian buyout will translate into at least US stores staying open, but if the worst comes, they'll be closing by May 14th.
That's good to know. I just dumped a bit over $100 into them...not that that eill cure any debt....but here's to that small shred of hope! Now if we can get more kids unstuck from tablets and put Optimus Primes in their hands instead....but we're asking for a miracle. Note....if I ever have a kid, I will buy them toys. When they're 14 they can have a phone...maybe....
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Re: The ToysRUs Troubles Thread
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Re: The ToysRUs Troubles Thread
Posted by -Kanrabat- Sun Mar 18, 2018 1:51 pm
It's that simple."
WreckerJack wrote:I won't be having any kids. My toys are for ME!
YOU MONSTER!
Me too by the way.
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Re: The ToysRUs Troubles Thread
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Re: The ToysRUs Troubles Thread
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Re: The ToysRUs Troubles Thread
Posted by -Kanrabat- Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:35 pm
It's that simple."
william-james88 wrote:Having kids is awesome, you can go to the store and pretend the toys you're buying are for them instead and nobody gives you weird looks.
I have to admit that in the first two years of toy collecting, I was genuinely embarassed and even ashamed when I shopped for toys.
Then I "grew up" and I no longer give a phoque.
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Re: The ToysRUs Troubles Thread
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Re: The ToysRUs Troubles Thread
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Re: The ToysRUs Troubles Thread
Posted by lakebot Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:11 pm
Simplify wrote:The Cause and Consequences of the Retail Apocalypse"
Private equity firms overburdened businesses with debt, and now workers are paying the price. Will policymakers do anything about it?
By DAVID DAYEN, The New Republic, Nov. 14, 2018
[...] RadioShack, The Limited, Payless, and Toys 'R' Us are among 19 retail bankruptcies this year. Some point to Amazon and other online retailers for wrestling away market share, but e-commerce sales in the second quarter of 2017 only hit 8.9 percent of total sales. There’s still plenty of opportunity for retail outlets with physical space.
The real reason so many companies are sick, as Bloomberg explained in a recent feature, has to do with debt. Private equity firms purchased numerous chain retailers over the past decade, loading them up with unsustainable debt payments as part of a disastrous business strategy.
Damn you, Cyclomney.Buyout managers, including Bain Capital and longtime firm Kohlberg Kravis Roberts, stripped out nearly $2 billion in cash while debt levels rose.
This makes a lot more sense. So, a financial motivation to enter into an untenable business deal.
I do feel for those losing their jobs by the way. I suppose in reality, that’s probably one of the truly more saddening things about all this.
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KB Toys to Possibly Make a Return to US
Posted by Va'al Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:52 am
Fellow Seibertronian Sabrblade pointed us towards an article on The Rock Father detailing the entire deal, but it all starts with Ellia Kassoff of Strategic Brands, LLC, posting on LinkedIn about their plans to resurrect KB Toys, and how the TRU closure has affected all this.
we have now accelerated our business plan and hope to have our stores up and running before Christmas. We're in discussions with many of the toy manufactures, as we try to find out the best way to support them and the 20% loss of the US toy market due to the Toys R Us liquidation.
Additionally, Kassoff later posted another message, highlighting their current priorities in terms of the over 30000 people who are losing their current jobs at Toys R Us, along with any other specialist in the toy industry (manufacturer, distributor, retailer, etc) who may be interested in joining the initiative to, as they put it, 'save the toy industry'.
The action is bold, and as Zahn points out in the article on The Rock Father, there are both good pointers and potential hurdles in the whole deal, including the cause of KB's downfall in the first place being the same as TRU's this time round:
Strategic Marks did indeed file for a trademark on the name "KB Toys" back in 2016. What's interesting here is that the original KB Toys fell victim to the same vultures at Bain Capital, who loaded that company with debt and killed it in the same way that they've destroyed Toys "R" Us. Then, in 2009, Toys "R" Us acquired the KB portfolio of trademarks from Streambank, LLC for just over $2M, taking over the domain names and later using the KB Toys name on a series of budget-priced, house-branded toys and games (they were crap) labeled as K•B Classics. Along the way, KB had many variations of their name, including K•B Toys, K•B Toys Outlet, K•B Toy Works and Kay-Bee Toys. It will be interesting to see if Toys "R" Us still considers any of those to be assets in their liquidation, as I was able to find that KBToys.com, KBToyWorks.com and KBKids.com (which once had a $43M push behind it) are all still owned by Toys "R" Us and pointed to the TRU.com server (although unresponsive)
That said, what do you make of this? Is it a positive update in the Toys r Us debacle? Is it something that might interest you to follow through? Join the conversation in the Energon Pub, and share your thoughts!
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Re: The ToysRUs Troubles Thread
Posted by spiderbob007 Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:22 am
Two stories of Bain's money management skills:
http://nyp.st/2pgWNyJ
http://nyp.st/2xUP53Y
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