The Energon Pub

Sabrblade wrote:They weren't that good back then either.

Regardless I still want them... if it weren't for their price.

Sabrblade wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:They weren't that good back then either.

Regardless I still want them... if it weren't for their price.

Indeed. The heads aren't great, but the bodies sure are.

Ah so the mold has a case of butterface

Razorbeast88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:They weren't that good back then either.

Regardless I still want them... if it weren't for their price.

Indeed. The heads aren't great, but the bodies sure are.

Ah so the mold has a case of butterface

I think it would have worked perfectly if they had kept the original head without any remolding.

Well, because the original is so cheap and easy to find, I guess I'll just have to customise my own Energon Ratchet and Ironhide.

Wolfman Jake wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Yikes...those circa 2005 FunPub head sculpts have NOT aged well.

Yep, those head sculpts didn't work me back then and they haven't grown on me yet.

And the sled is relic of the past that I'll be happy to never see again. It was a solution to a problem that hasn't existed since 1984, no need to break any more figures just to bring it back.

Emerje

Anyone wanting a sled and upset that it's not included in this over priced DLX toy I'm sure this isn't the last we've seen of G! version of Ironhide and you'll likely see a sled version for a generations release or as some kind of exclusive.


I don't really understand it fuss for something so very niche, but to each their own.

Till-all-R1 wrote:Anyone wanting a sled and upset that it's not included in this over priced DLX toy I'm sure this isn't the last we've seen of G! version of Ironhide and you'll likely see a sled version for a generations release or as some kind of exclusive.


I don't really understand it fuss for something so very niche, but to each their own.

Same. If we would have gotten the sled, these same people would be complaining that its parts form.

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

Till-all-R1 wrote:Anyone wanting a sled and upset that it's not included in this over priced DLX toy I'm sure this isn't the last we've seen of G! version of Ironhide and you'll likely see a sled version for a generations release or as some kind of exclusive.


I don't really understand it fuss for something so very niche, but to each their own.

Same. If we would have gotten the sled, these same people would be complaining that its parts form.

Well, not the same people per say, but you would have an equally sizable group complaining. You know the saying, you can't please everyone.

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

Till-all-R1 wrote:Anyone wanting a sled and upset that it's not included in this over priced DLX toy I'm sure this isn't the last we've seen of G! version of Ironhide and you'll likely see a sled version for a generations release or as some kind of exclusive.


I don't really understand it fuss for something so very niche, but to each their own.

Same. If we would have gotten the sled, these same people would be complaining that its parts form.

Not the same people, but yes there would still be complaining.

william-james88 wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

Till-all-R1 wrote:Anyone wanting a sled and upset that it's not included in this over priced DLX toy I'm sure this isn't the last we've seen of G! version of Ironhide and you'll likely see a sled version for a generations release or as some kind of exclusive.


I don't really understand it fuss for something so very niche, but to each their own.

Same. If we would have gotten the sled, these same people would be complaining that its parts form.

Not the same people, but yes there would still be complaining.

agreed.

Heck I'm more disappointed with SS86 being shorter than ER considering Ironhide is a taller bot and not that much shorter than prime, thus IMO this new version is going to look a bit short/inaccurate standing next to him.

Till-all-R1 wrote:Heck I'm more disappointed with SS86 being shorter than ER considering Ironhide is a taller bot and not that much shorter than prime, thus IMO this new version is going to look a bit short/inaccurate standing next to him.

I too think of Ironhide as a big gruff military dude who's seen some action, but if we are going for accuracy, which is what SS86 hopes to do, we have to stick to the G1 scale. And in g1, Ironhide was not a big guy, same size as a carbot. He looks tiny next to Optimus. And there lies the genius of this particular figure's engineering. They replicated the idea of having a van, far bigger than a car, become the same size as a carbot in bot mode.

Here's just three shots, but you can look at any episode of the cartoon and see the same scale more or less.

Was wheeljack really that much smaller than Ironhide?

There's also the fact that ER Optimus is not that big to begin with so having Ironhide as massive as him would be wierd.

Whenever people complain about a 6" figure being a millimeter too tall or short, I die a little inside.

ZeroWolf wrote:Was wheeljack really that much smaller than Ironhide?

Just a tad bit smaller. He is crouching in that shot, so he'll look way smaller.

AcademyofDrX wrote:Whenever people complain about a 6" figure being a millimeter too tall or short, I die a little inside.

-Kanrabat- wrote:There's also the fact that ER Optimus is not that big to begin with so having Ironhide as massive as him would be wierd.

While Optimus is the leader, his voyager figures tend to be just standard, not big not small. They have all been the same standard size starting with classics, which is the first voyager class optimus we ever had, and he keeps that standard size in the film lines. The only one that was bigger than the rest was the CW one.

william-james88 wrote:And in g1, Ironhide was not a big guy, same size as a carbot. He looks tiny next to Optimus.

And here is him in alt mode. Talk about size changing!

could not find the picture of him in alt mode (Optimus on a stretcher going into Ratchets ambulance mode), but This will have to do:

william-james88 wrote:

That makes me notice something. I just realized Classics Optimus has kneecaps that flip up in robot mode, and down in alternate mode. Siege/Earth rise does the same but more compact, and in reverse.

william-james88 wrote:

Till-all-R1 wrote:Heck I'm more disappointed with SS86 being shorter than ER considering Ironhide is a taller bot and not that much shorter than prime, thus IMO this new version is going to look a bit short/inaccurate standing next to him.

I too think of Ironhide as a big gruff military dude who's seen some action, but if we are going for accuracy, which is what SS86 hopes to do, we have to stick to the G1 scale. And in g1, Ironhide was not a big guy, same size as a carbot. He looks tiny next to Optimus. And there lies the genius of this particular figure's engineering. They replicated the idea of having a van, far bigger than a car, become the same size as a carbot in bot mode.

Here's just three shots, but you can look at any episode of the cartoon and see the same scale more or less.

He isn't the same size as Optimus, but he isn't nearly as small as a car bot, even in those pictures he's coming up to Prime's shoulder (though usually he's even with his chest windows) and towering over the cars. This is more or less accurate to the official scale chart used by the cartoon.



This is the same scale that MP uses and nailed it.



The SS figure is accurate, but it's really at the most minimum of accurate just barely clearing the bottom of Prime's windows.



My problem is that they not just felt the need to make him smaller than the WFC figure but also made him smaller than a Deluxe figure at the Voyager price point with no obvious gains (ER Ironhide also has many more folding panels than the Siege mold), and the WFC Ironhide mold isn't even a uniquely tall Deluxe, there's plenty of others that are the same size like Impactor. It was a very bad move on Hasbro's part.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:My problem is that they not just felt the need to make him smaller than the WFC figure but also made him smaller than a Deluxe figure at the Voyager price point with no obvious gains (ER Ironhide also has many more folding panels than the Siege mold), and the WFC Ironhide mold isn't even a uniquely tall Deluxe, there's plenty of others that are the same size like Impactor. It was a very bad move on Hasbro's part.

Emerje

I just looked, and those many more folding panels you mention appear to be only 4 and all located on the shield/sled, the window panels. The bot himself has the same number of panels in the same places.

The height diffference itself doesn't really bother me anymore since all the classes overlap now. What does irritate me is the fact that we are getting our 3rd G1 Ironhide in 4 years and this one is eating up a Voyager slot because what they wanted to do was just a little too much for deluxe class. Ultimately if it ends up being a fun toy, I'll probably probably get over it like I did SS86 Hot Rod, but I am really not liking the precedent they are setting.

Edit: Also really not liking the "diaper" effect the crotch part and panels are giving off.

I honestly would be fine if just Ironhide could be the same size as prime. Don know why he isn't, but sucks I guess, deal with it. From the information gathered it seems he should be the size perfectly in between deluxe and voyager, but that budget was wasted on the stupid clear plastic windows and their paint! Why does Hasbro keep insisting on clear plastic windows when they are not accurate in the first place?!

Conclusion:
Ratchet is a little short for scale
Hasbro doesn't care
So deal with it

TF-fan kev777 wrote:Edit: Also really not liking the "diaper" effect the crotch part and panels are giving off.

Why would ironhide be the same size as Prime? I don't think even the original toys were the same height.