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by **M. Spector** » Sun Dec 15, 2019 7:30 pm

Something i am deeply curious about is if we are going to see anymore repaint/retools in Earthrise such as Crosshairs in siege? Because one of the key things keeping me from picking up Spinister at the moment is the fact that to my eyes if they swapped the head and colors you'd have a near perfect Whirl ..

News Credits: 241 · by **Jelze Bunnycat** » Sun Dec 15, 2019 8:34 pm

M. Spector wrote:Something i am deeply curious about is if we are going to see anymore repaint/retools in Earthrise such as Crosshairs in siege? Because one of the key things keeping me from picking up Spinister at the moment is the fact that to my eyes if they swapped the head and colors you'd have a near perfect Whirl ..

I can guarantee you that we will, though Whirl out of Spinister... hm... :-?

I can't really see who Spinister could be turned into, Armada Cyclonus maybe?

News Credits: 17 · by **AcademyofDrX** » Sun Dec 15, 2019 8:44 pm

@NeonPrime
Most of those characters have had Generations releases in the last three years. I don't understand why you want to blame non-Generations product lines for Hasbro not releasing figures -- that they actually have released.

News Credits: 12 · by **Sentinel_Primal** » Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:04 pm

So, I've been thinking about how they'll handle Scorponok, and I can't help but wonder if he'll have compatibility with Fort Max. I'm hoping he will, just for a bit of fun, but I also wonder if they'll add any lights and sounds to the Zarak portion like Cerebros has

News Credits: 42 · by **TF-fan kev777** » Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:39 pm

Sentinel_Primal wrote:So, I've been thinking about how they'll handle Scorponok, and I can't help but wonder if he'll have compatibility with Fort Max. I'm hoping he will, just for a bit of fun, but I also wonder if they'll add any lights and sounds to the Zarak portion like Cerebros has

I don't care for the electronics myself, but I definitely hope they include both the older titans return and newer Siege/Earthrise connectors, just like Omega Supreme.

News Credits: 22 · by **Rodimus Prime** » Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:55 am

Sentinel_Primal wrote:So, I've been thinking about how they'll handle Scorponok, and I can't help but wonder if he'll have compatibility with Fort Max. I'm hoping he will, just for a bit of fun, but I also wonder if they'll add any lights and sounds to the Zarak portion like Cerebros has

Let me get this right: Scorponok will be the Titan, Mega Zarak will be the head, and Zarak will be the Headmaster?

News Credits: 12 · by **Sentinel_Primal** » Mon Dec 16, 2019 2:03 am

Rodimus Prime wrote:
Sentinel_Primal wrote:So, I've been thinking about how they'll handle Scorponok, and I can't help but wonder if he'll have compatibility with Fort Max. I'm hoping he will, just for a bit of fun, but I also wonder if they'll add any lights and sounds to the Zarak portion like Cerebros has
Let me get this right: Scorponok will be the Titan, Mega Zarak will be the head, and Zarak will be the Headmaster?

No idea. When I said Zarak I meant the head for Scorponok, not the Titanmaster sized figure, because until we actually get confirmation on what everything is being called, I just think of the Cerebros-like unit as Zarak because I'm used to that being the name of the character who forms Scorponok's head, with the Headmaster for that figure just being Zarak's Headmaster stage

News Credits: 22 · by **Rodimus Prime** » Mon Dec 16, 2019 2:09 am

Sentinel_Primal wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:
Sentinel_Primal wrote:So, I've been thinking about how they'll handle Scorponok, and I can't help but wonder if he'll have compatibility with Fort Max. I'm hoping he will, just for a bit of fun, but I also wonder if they'll add any lights and sounds to the Zarak portion like Cerebros has
Let me get this right: Scorponok will be the Titan, Mega Zarak will be the head, and Zarak will be the Headmaster?

No idea. When I said Zarak I meant the head for Scorponok, not the Titanmaster sized figure, because until we actually get confirmation on what everything is being called, I just think of the Cerebros-like unit as Zarak because I'm used to that being the name of the character who forms Scorponok's head, with the Headmaster for that figure just being Zarak's Headmaster stage

I see. Right now, the way I think of it is Scorponok is the Titan body, Mega Zarak is the Cerebros-sized head, and Zarak (referring to the actual human-sized component) is the Headmaster. I don't consider Cerebros (or his Scorponok-equivalent) the Headmaster, because if I have Headmaster technology correct, the larger head cannot function without the smaller head, but the city bot (in battle station or city mode) does respond to the smaller head (Spike/Zarak; meaning that the smaller head can control both the Titan body and the larger head, but the larger head can't control the Titan body without the smaller head). Isn't head canon fun?

News Credits: 12 · by **Sentinel_Primal** » Mon Dec 16, 2019 2:34 am

Rodimus Prime wrote:Isn't head canon fun?

Especially head canon where we have very little actual information with which to speculate :lol:

News Credits: 1350 · by **ZeroWolf** » Mon Dec 16, 2019 3:36 am

It's been easier for me as I just adopted the Japanese headmaster Canon :lol:

MyFigureCollection.net collection · by **Emerje** » Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:59 am

Rodimus Prime wrote:I don't consider Cerebros (or his Scorponok-equivalent) the Headmaster, because if I have Headmaster technology correct, the larger head cannot function without the smaller head, but the city bot (in battle station or city mode) does respond to the smaller head (Spike/Zarak; meaning that the smaller head can control both the Titan body and the larger head, but the larger head can't control the Titan body without the smaller head). Isn't head canon fun?

Sounds right, seemed like with Fort Max it was Spike directly talking to him, Cerebros was just along for the ride. And just like how Cerebros also doubles as a "communication room" for the city mode, whatever they call the middle bot for Scorponok will probably be part of his defense base mode, possibly in the center where the shield goes on the original figure if he doesn't come with one.

Emerje

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:51 am

Rodimus Prime wrote:
Sentinel_Primal wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:
Sentinel_Primal wrote:So, I've been thinking about how they'll handle Scorponok, and I can't help but wonder if he'll have compatibility with Fort Max. I'm hoping he will, just for a bit of fun, but I also wonder if they'll add any lights and sounds to the Zarak portion like Cerebros has
Let me get this right: Scorponok will be the Titan, Mega Zarak will be the head, and Zarak will be the Headmaster?

No idea. When I said Zarak I meant the head for Scorponok, not the Titanmaster sized figure, because until we actually get confirmation on what everything is being called, I just think of the Cerebros-like unit as Zarak because I'm used to that being the name of the character who forms Scorponok's head, with the Headmaster for that figure just being Zarak's Headmaster stage
I see. Right now, the way I think of it is Scorponok is the Titan body, Mega Zarak is the Cerebros-sized head, and Zarak (referring to the actual human-sized component) is the Headmaster. I don't consider Cerebros (or his Scorponok-equivalent) the Headmaster, because if I have Headmaster technology correct, the larger head cannot function without the smaller head, but the city bot (in battle station or city mode) does respond to the smaller head (Spike/Zarak; meaning that the smaller head can control both the Titan body and the larger head, but the larger head can't control the Titan body without the smaller head). Isn't head canon fun?

It all just really depends on which version did what, since the The Rebirth, Japanese G1, Marvel G1, IDW G1 and more all did their own takes on Fort Max and Scorponok differently from each other.

by **Skritz** » Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:10 pm

Given how Siege Apeface doesn't name the Headmaster/Titan Master unit anywhere on its packaging (despite clearly being G1 Spasma) I suspect they just won't bother naming the mid-form/big head of the Scorponoke setup. Even if personally I'm fine with calling the little Nebulan/Robot (depending on continuity) Zarak, his robot/head form Megazarak and the combined mess Scorponok.

News Credits: 12 · by **Sentinel_Primal** » Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:13 pm

Personally, I'm planning to just slap the TR Scorponok head onto the mid-form and call all of them Scorponok. Mainly because I'm less likely to get confused with only the one name :lol:

News Credits: 241 · by **Jelze Bunnycat** » Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:36 pm

Sentinel_Primal wrote:Personally, I'm planning to just slap the TR Scorponok head onto the mid-form and call all of them Scorponok. Mainly because I'm less likely to get confused with only the one name

Funnily enough, you'd be correct even according to the Japanese toys; Takara switched the names from the US, so the Headmaster is called Scorponok there, and the whole figure Megazarak. Also, the Scorponok name is retained for the Black Zarak release. What a mess :lol:

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Tue Dec 17, 2019 12:12 am

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Sentinel_Primal wrote:Personally, I'm planning to just slap the TR Scorponok head onto the mid-form and call all of them Scorponok. Mainly because I'm less likely to get confused with only the one name

Funnily enough, you'd be correct even according to the Japanese toys; Takara switched the names from the US, so the Headmaster is called Scorponok there, and the whole figure Megazarak. Also, the Scorponok name is retained for the Black Zarak release. What a mess

Meanwhile, in Beast Wars: Uprising, since name re-usage was constantly avoided to let everyone have their own name*, the Decepticon Double-Headmaster** who turned into a giant scorpion was never named "Scorponok"***, instead using the Japanese name for the city-sized "MegaZarak", while the name "Zarak" belonged to the middle-sized Decepticon Macromaster who formed the head of MegaZarak, while the Nebulan scientist who binary-bonded with Zarak to form his own head was Fausto Borx.

* - With the Protoformers Rampage and Megatron being the only exceptions since the former couldn't care less about using the name of an ancient Decepticon, while the latter deliberately renamed himself after the ancient Decepticon leader.

** - Like what this Titan class toy produced several years later will be.

*** - So that the Predacon Protoformer Scorponok could bear that name.

by **SiegeFan** » Tue Dec 17, 2019 5:47 pm

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
M. Spector wrote:Something i am deeply curious about is if we are going to see anymore repaint/retools in Earthrise such as Crosshairs in siege? Because one of the key things keeping me from picking up Spinister at the moment is the fact that to my eyes if they swapped the head and colors you'd have a near perfect Whirl ..

I can guarantee you that we will, though Whirl out of Spinister... hm... I can't really see who Spinister could be turned into, Armada Cyclonus maybe?

There's versions of Blades you could do with Spinister.

News Credits: 48 · by **Nemesis Primal** » Tue Dec 17, 2019 8:18 pm

SiegeFan wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
M. Spector wrote:Something i am deeply curious about is if we are going to see anymore repaint/retools in Earthrise such as Crosshairs in siege? Because one of the key things keeping me from picking up Spinister at the moment is the fact that to my eyes if they swapped the head and colors you'd have a near perfect Whirl ..

I can guarantee you that we will, though Whirl out of Spinister... hm... I can't really see who Spinister could be turned into, Armada Cyclonus maybe?

There's versions of Blades you could do with Spinister.

I've seen bot mode digibashes of Rotorstorm, Airachnid, and Armada Cyclonus as new head repaints of Spinister, but I doubt they would do at least Rotorstorm given how inaccurate his bot mode would be to his OG self. I still desperately want a Demolishor repaint/retool of Impactor, so a Cyclonus to go with him would be great, and all the non-G1 character updates we've gotten in Siege were really reimaginings rather than direct updates, so Cyclonus not having the cockpit chest wouldn't matter.

...now I've talked myself into wanting that more. Demolishor & Cyclonus for ER or Selects please Hasbro.

News Credits: 131 · by **no-one** » Thu Dec 19, 2019 10:41 am

Sabrblade wrote:Meanwhile, in Beast Wars: Uprising, since name re-usage was constantly avoided to let everyone have their own name*, the Decepticon Double-Headmaster** who turned into a giant scorpion was never named "Scorponok"**, instead using the Japanese name for the city-sized "MegaZarak", while the name "Zarak" belonged to the middle-sized Decepticon Macromaster who formed the head of MegaZarak, while the Nebulan scientist who binary-bonded with Zarak to form his own head was Fausto Borx.

* - With the Protoformers Rampage and Megatron being the only exceptions since the former couldn't care less about using the name of an ancient Decepticon, while the latter deliberately renamed himself after the ancient Decepticon leader.

** - Like what this Titan class toy produced several years later will be.

*** - So that the Predacon Protoformer Scorponok could bear that name.

I feel like you're missing an asterisk, yet still managed to make my head spin 8-}

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by **WeatherManNX01** » Sun Dec 22, 2019 8:31 pm

I got an email this evening from Amazon saying my Grapple preorder was canceled because "we will not be able to obtain" it. Bit weird for Amazon, I thought, but there it is.

It's still available to preorder through both TFSource and BBTS, so I placed a preorder there, though it makes me wonder if either of them will see supply issues in terms of late arrivals or anything like that.

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Anyone else get anything of the sort? :-?

News Credits: 9 · by **triKlops** » Sun Dec 22, 2019 9:35 pm

WeatherManNX01 wrote:Anyone else get anything of the sort?

Same thing happened with my Soundbarrier preorder, i believe.

News Credits: 17 · by **AcademyofDrX** » Sun Dec 22, 2019 10:10 pm

Earthrise Starscream isn't available from Amazon anymore either. You can still pre-order both of them on Hasbro, even though the Deluxes and Optimus are sold out there.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Sun Dec 22, 2019 10:59 pm

Maybe Hasbro wants Pulse to have first crack at preorders before letting Amazon in on the action.

News Credits: 8 · by **Flashwave** » Mon Dec 23, 2019 12:51 am

AcademyofDrX wrote:Earthrise Starscream isn't available from Amazon anymore either. You can still pre-order both of them on Hasbro, even though the Deluxes and Optimus are sold out there.

So, so far its just the two Voyagers. is Amazon not ordering them? Or are they just not ordering enough?

News Credits: 25 · by **Ironhidensh** » Mon Dec 23, 2019 9:40 am

Flashwave wrote:
AcademyofDrX wrote:Earthrise Starscream isn't available from Amazon anymore either. You can still pre-order both of them on Hasbro, even though the Deluxes and Optimus are sold out there.

So, so far its just the two Voyagers. is Amazon not ordering them? Or are they just not ordering enough?

If everyone didn't receive a mass cancellations, then it probably just means that they received more orders than they can support.