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[Archforce]

Well, at least that means that Titans Return Sentinel Prime will remain one of the taller figures in my Siege collection.

[Seibertron]

SIEGE Leader Class Astrotrain is the Astrotrain for which I've been waiting. He's awesome. He's not 100% perfect. But what Triple Changer is for that matter? He's bulky and very heavy for a "Voyager Class" sized figure. He makes up for lack of height with bulk. The Titans Return Astrotrain was not bulky, was too thin (depth-wise), and was too tall for Astrotrain. The overall toy, including all of his accessories, weighs 10.3 ounces. By comparison, Legends Leader Class Overlord weighs 11.3 ounces and Titans Return Voyager Class Astrotrain weighs 5.7 ounces.

Seibertron.com gallery of Astrotrain will be posted late tomorrow or Wednesday.

[Sabrblade]

Seibertron.com gallery of Astrotrain will be posted late tomorrow or Wednesday.

WOO WOO!!

[Ultra Markus]

Is anyone else unhappy that the Cybertronian look was just dropped in favour of Earth modes? I'm all G1 and I love the new reveals for Earthrise, but I'm really bummed out that most of the G1 Autobot roster won't be finished in the Cybetronian forms. Has there been any word on this from Hasbro? (I'm new, so please no flame-blasts for my not being up to date!)

The way things are going I'm guessing the third part will be movie based or later meaning a return to Cybertronian/futuristic alt modes. Whether they did Earthrise now or as the third part with some planet hopping in between they were always going to do Earth based line as part of the trilogy. And really, was anyone expecting mini Masterpieces? I'm very happy with the progression of War for Cybertron.

Emerje

hopefully Earthrise will give us sunstreaker and jazz

[noctorro]

Wow, he really is small. But Seibertron main dude said he's going to be bulky.

Will get him, and will not replace Titans Return Astrotrain, I got the Hasbro "white" one and love that star-train battleship thing he has. The shuttle mode is also great. Will have to give him a new name. So will be having them both.

I really like that Titans Return mold, Zeta (or Sentinel, for got which one) Prime version is actually one of my fav's. He's easy to transform, great articulation and cool shuttle and battleship mode.

I think they're going to leave Jazz alone for a bit, since he has a Power of the Primes figure.

Hoping for an Earth Rise Bumblebee deluxe sized (with a little addon like Classics 1.0 so the bot himself can be a bit smaller)

Everything Earthrise looks amazing, I was already blown away by Siege but man... they're upping the game even further. That Optimus is pure love, Grapple looks 10/10. Just unpacked Prowl, omg man his transformation... Will get Smokescreen/Silverstreak/Barricade. The lot, all of 'm! Room isn't full yet!

[Bumblevivisector]

Remember that Astrotrain can be given some platform shoes

Booka-looka-looka-luge.

Sorry I couldn't find the clip.

[logosminor]

A lot of people are thinking of replacing their Titans Return Astrotrain with Siege Astrotrain, since that one has alt modes closer to the cartoon. However, that simple swap may not be so simple, when thinking of how all three Decepticon triple changers, which we got in Titans return, match up in height. We got a good in hand look at Siege Astrotrain in the unboxing images we published earlier today, but now we have a comparison image of this Astrotrain next to Takara's version of Titans Return Astrotrain. It comes to us from a fan named Ryan over at Cybertron Philippines. Remember that Astrotrain can be given some platform shoes to stand slightly taller and reach 7 inches (photo shown below as well).

Can I ask the post and story be updated with at least the original FB post and proper credit? Link here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/cybertr ... 025145320/

[SkyFire Prime]

I think if Astrotrain is one of your favorite characters than the Siege Earthrise mold is what you want. If all you're concerned about is height then yeah TR has that...but it you know what else it has? A titan master head that hides in the back of the ship where there is a carrier style conning tower between 2 tail fins, meanwhile there's an unused space shuttle bridge in the front. Its got lifting body wings providing no lift because directly underneeth are untransformed arms; arms that have battleship cannons. The bot mode has huge feet and a tiny head. Its a mess.

You what it doesn't have? Ankle rockers a real trane mode etc.

[Emerje]

People are forgetting that TR Astrotrain is also rather large for a Voyager within that line.



The Siege figure also comes with a box of weapons that serve triple purposes as a train car, launch pad, and armor. By now we should be used to Leaders being Voyagers with extra gear. Siege Astrotrain is really no different from Shockwave.

Emerje

[Ironhidensh]

People are forgetting that TR Astrotrain is also rather large for a Voyager within that line.



The Siege figure also comes with a box of weapons that serve triple purposes as a train car, launch pad, and armor. By now we should be used to Leaders being Voyagers with extra gear. Siege Astrotrain is really no different from Shockwave.

Emerje

Shockwave was over priced as well.

[cruizerdave]

And remember people, this is a “leader class” figure sold for $50. Yeah it comes with more accessories that can make it slightly taller, but this is a $50 figure compared to a $25 figure.

[blackeyedprime]

Siege astrotrain is an easy skip, on the bright side I might be able to get a takara astrotrain cheap to go with the Hasbro TR one. I might pick the siege one up if it ever hits deluxe pricing just for the train mode.

[sol magnus]

So Titans Return is basically the same height as Siege Optimus Prime and Megatron.

[ZeroWolf]

And remember people, this is a “leader class” figure sold for $50. Yeah it comes with more accessories that can make it slightly taller, but this is a $50 figure compared to a $25 figure.

And it also weighs more and is much more solid then the voyager. Height isn't anything.

[NTESHFT]

And remember people, this is a “leader class” figure sold for $50. Yeah it comes with more accessories that can make it slightly taller, but this is a $50 figure compared to a $25 figure.

THIS.....One can argue about weight or how solid it is but I feel like this is just the beginning..prices will skyrocket...

Easy pass for me just as Shockwave...even if there are more accessories....he is still just a 50 buck voyager class...

[sol magnus]

And remember people, this is a “leader class” figure sold for $50. Yeah it comes with more accessories that can make it slightly taller, but this is a $50 figure compared to a $25 figure.

THIS.....One can argue about weight or how solid it is but I feel like this is just the beginning..prices will skyrocket...

Easy pass for me just as Shockwave...even if there are more accessories....he is still just a 50 buck voyager class...

By that reckoning, so are Ultra Magnus and Galaxy Upgrade Optimus Prime.

[ZeroWolf]

Again, there's more to the size class then just height. Otherwise you may as well complain that voyagers now aren't anything like they were back in the Cybertron line

[sol magnus]

Again, there's more to the size class then just height. Otherwise you may as well complain that voyagers now aren't anything like they were back in the Cybertron line

Agreed. Not with the Cybertron part (because I didn't collect those), but the overall point.

[ZeroWolf]

I choose Cybertron because if I remember right, that's where the class designation originated.

[NTESHFT]

And remember people, this is a “leader class” figure sold for $50. Yeah it comes with more accessories that can make it slightly taller, but this is a $50 figure compared to a $25 figure.

THIS.....One can argue about weight or how solid it is but I feel like this is just the beginning..prices will skyrocket...

Easy pass for me just as Shockwave...even if there are more accessories....he is still just a 50 buck voyager class...

By that reckoning, so are Ultra Magnus and Galaxy Upgrade Optimus Prime.

Good point....but Prime and Magnus have almost always had that gimmick when it came to being a leader class...they still made me feel like I was getting a leader class figure....Siege Astrtrain and Shockwave don't have that effect, at least to me, if that makes any sense to you...

I think my main gripe about this is I'm worried that we will be paying 30 for deluxe, 50 for Voyager and 60 to 65 for leader class...I mean just look at how much the MP line has went up in such a short period of time. I hate that because it pretty much has knocked me out of getting them and I worry that the rest of the TF line will follow suit.

[NTESHFT]

Again, there's more to the size class then just height. Otherwise you may as well complain that voyagers now aren't anything like they were back in the Cybertron line

Agreed. Not with the Cybertron part (because I didn't collect those), but the overall point.

Another good point....for me, I just feel like Astrotrain and Shockwave are missing something to give me the leader class feel....it's not necessarily the height....I just can't put my finger on what it is....

[VanOscuro]

Wish it wasn't so small

[TF-fan kev777]

I think my main gripe about this is I'm worried that we will be paying 30 for deluxe, 50 for Voyager and 60 to 65 for leader class...I mean just look at how much the MP line has went up in such a short period of time. I hate that because it pretty much has knocked me out of getting them and I worry that the rest of the TF line will follow suit.

I think those are 2 very different cases though. MP's are strictly marketed to adult collectors. The main generations line is marketed to both collectors and kids. It is going to be hard for them to push deluxe/voyager/leader much higher than $20/$30/$50 and still pull in enough kids and casual fans to make the numbers work out.

[emlit]

I think my main gripe about this is I'm worried that we will be paying 30 for deluxe, 50 for Voyager and 60 to 65 for leader class...I mean just look at how much the MP line has went up in such a short period of time. I hate that because it pretty much has knocked me out of getting them and I worry that the rest of the TF line will follow suit.

I think those are 2 very different cases though. MP's are strictly marketed to adult collectors. The main generations line is marketed to both collectors and kids. It is going to be hard for them to push deluxe/voyager/leader much higher than $20/$30/$50 and still pull in enough kids and casual fans to make the numbers work out.

I think this is spot on.

[ZeroWolf]

And remember people, this is a “leader class” figure sold for $50. Yeah it comes with more accessories that can make it slightly taller, but this is a $50 figure compared to a $25 figure.

THIS.....One can argue about weight or how solid it is but I feel like this is just the beginning..prices will skyrocket...

Easy pass for me just as Shockwave...even if there are more accessories....he is still just a 50 buck voyager class...

By that reckoning, so are Ultra Magnus and Galaxy Upgrade Optimus Prime.

Good point....but Prime and Magnus have almost always had that gimmick when it came to being a leader class...they still made me feel like I was getting a leader class figure....Siege Astrtrain and Shockwave don't have that effect, at least to me, if that makes any sense to you...

I think my main gripe about this is I'm worried that we will be paying 30 for deluxe, 50 for Voyager and 60 to 65 for leader class...I mean just look at how much the MP line has went up in such a short period of time. I hate that because it pretty much has knocked me out of getting them and I worry that the rest of the TF line will follow suit.

I get what you're saying but prices always go up as the prices hasbro pay go up as well, and they have to maintain their profit margin. There's other factors as well, like how many slots they have for Voyagers, and they get full, how to handle characters like Shockwave who needs to scale?

Scale is part of the problem but its just a reaction to all the fans who have been asking for it and complaining before.