The Energon Pub

[SiegeFan]

Hopefully because Roosterteeth is involved it'll be better than Machinima's I do hope we hear more about it soon though. I keep forgetting it exists until I see a reminder

It is a little incredulous that so little is known about it considering


How far along the toyline is

The internet

And just generally how promotion for these things works!


I can't help wondering if there's been a bit of a delay somehow.

[aronjlove]

Well frick, siege skywarp is outta stock on amazon. Is there any chance that he’s gonna he restocked

Skywarp and the Phantomstrike pack is out of stock but its companion, the Alphastrike pack, is currently on Cyber Monday sale for $31.99!
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B07P2JB241

[SiegeFan]

Well frick, siege skywarp is outta stock on amazon. Is there any chance that he’s gonna he restocked

Skywarp and the Phantomstrike pack is out of stock but its companion, the Alphastrike pack, is currently on Cyber Monday sale for $31.99!
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B07P2JB241

Thanks for this, just ordered two of them!

[notsoalex]

Well frick, siege skywarp is outta stock on amazon. Is there any chance that he’s gonna he restocked

Skywarp and the Phantomstrike pack is out of stock but its companion, the Alphastrike pack, is currently on Cyber Monday sale for $31.99!
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B07P2JB241

Thanks for this, just ordered two of them!

Why two?

[SiegeFan]

Well frick, siege skywarp is outta stock on amazon. Is there any chance that he’s gonna he restocked

Skywarp and the Phantomstrike pack is out of stock but its companion, the Alphastrike pack, is currently on Cyber Monday sale for $31.99!
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B07P2JB241

Thanks for this, just ordered two of them!

Why two?

I'll display both sets as bots and alt modes. I'll own the entire line soon enough so continually changing bots...

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Siege has been pretty good to us, gave us some really solid figures.

My Omega was just ordered tonight, and he is on the way! Excited to experience him.

i didn't get Siege Springer. T30 Springer is my definitive Springer

[Sentinel_Primal]

Overall, I feel like Siege has been an amazing toyline. As much as I hated it at first because of the overly G1 designs, it's won me over and has me more excited to see what Earthrise is going to offer. Though, I will say that it was really only after they got the big hitters out of the way that I completely fell in love. The articulation, QC, and even detail has been exceptional, but the most fun was seeing them finally dive into the less well known characters like the Rainmakers. Plus, Hasbro revisiting characters that haven't had toys since the 80s like Crosshairs and Apeface. Generally, Siege has been a great toyline, and I'm looking forward to seeing how Earthrise compares

[Fireball74]

Well frick, siege skywarp is outta stock on amazon. Is there any chance that he’s gonna he restocked

ARGHH!! He was on my Christmas list I just gave my wife this evening.

[adamage1]

Overall, I feel like Siege has been an amazing toyline. As much as I hated it at first because of the overly G1 designs, it's won me over and has me more excited to see what Earthrise is going to offer. Though, I will say that it was really only after they got the big hitters out of the way that I completely fell in love. The articulation, QC, and even detail has been exceptional, but the most fun was seeing them finally dive into the less well known characters like the Rainmakers. Plus, Hasbro revisiting characters that haven't had toys since the 80s like Crosshairs and Apeface. Generally, Siege has been a great toyline, and I'm looking forward to seeing how Earthrise compares

I honestly don’t understand the “ugh, G1 design” sentiment I keep seeing. Siege is the first time in over 30 years that we finally have proper mainline figures for a large number of characters, including Optimus, Megatron, Ratchet, Ironhide, Soundwave, Springer, Omega Supreme, etc. I honestly can’t believe it has taken this long for these characters to receive proper figures. The plastic quality is much better, joint tolerances are improved, articulation is greatly improved, universal joints instead of ball joints for most limbs, etc. There is probably an argument regarding the Classics line, but most of those figures were not proper G1 representatives, and none of them come close to the quality and accuracy of the Siege figures. The Prime Wars trilogy was already a step up from previous lines, and Siege took that improvement much farther. I could not be happier that Hasbro took this direction.

[Jelze Bunnycat]

I honestly don’t understand the “ugh, G1 design” sentiment I keep seeing.

The only thing you need to understand is this:

Sabrina-Online #379: "You must be this geeky to ride the ride" courtesy of Sabrina-Online.com

I oughta just download and use it as a signature at this point.

[Nemesis Primal]

I honestly don’t understand the “ugh, G1 design” sentiment I keep seeing. Siege is the first time in over 30 years that we finally have proper mainline figures for a large number of characters, including Optimus, Megatron,

*record scratch*
...this part isn't serious, right?

...Ratchet, Ironhide, Soundwave, Springer, Omega Supreme, etc. I honestly can’t believe it has taken this long for these characters to receive proper figures.....There is probably an argument regarding the Classics line, but most of those figures were not proper G1 representatives, and none of them come close to the quality and accuracy of the Siege figures.

...okay, see, that right there is why you don't get that complaint: the thing that people who say that (which include me on certain days) are complaining about is exactly the thing you want, from what it sounds like. Multiple of these characters have received updates in those 30 years you mentioned, some of them multiple times, but I guess figures like T30 Springer, who's amazing, don't count as a "proper" Springer because he isn't a blocky lumpman 100% G1 accurate with nothing new?

Then again, I didn't grow up with G1, so I guess it's difficult for me to understand your point of view too. From my POV though, people who want just G1 updates get what they want right now and they STILL complain (who cares what color Earthrise Prime's HANDS are?!), while those who want more than JUST G1 S1-2 again or maybe don't even like G1 get thrown a bone with maybe....2-5% of what gets put out in Generations?

...if you didn't actually want an explanatory response, feel free to ignore me, Primus knows this debate has been brought up on this thread more than enough times.

[Sentinel_Primal]

I honestly don’t understand the “ugh, G1 design” sentiment I keep seeing.

Can't speak for everyone that uses it, but generally speaking, whenever I use it I'm typically meaning "I wish we'd get new or different designs or characters rather than the same flat nosed truck, tank, and jet." I'd be saying the same thing if we got Beast Wars, Armada, or even Animated updates every year. It mostly stems from there not being much of a break between iterations of a character like Optimus or even Starscream to a degree.

But, unfortunately there's not really a way to fix it. Obviously Hasbro can't give every series they've made the Studio Series treatment where they get their own line, but they also can't give every line it's own year with it going G1, JG1, G2, BW, RID, UT, Animated, Prime/RID 2015, and then back to the start. It'd be way too long a wait to get back to someone's preferred era and thus they'd lose customers. The best they can do is what they're currently doing with making figures of those characters in a line that's mostly focused on one era.

Like I said, I do wish we'd get new designs or better yet, different characters instead of another Optimus, Megatron, or Starscream, but this is the best they can reasonably do. They need to keep general characters that people know one shelves and so that we can get some of the weirdos like Spinister, Apeface, and Punch/Counter-Punch who need their own molds to do the original designs for those characters justice.

[Skritz]

G1, G2 and UT and other lines had plenty of Optimuses (Optimii?) and Megatrons. Its just starting with the post-Animated era did we see designs get standardized more.

[Wolfman Jake]

G1, G2 and UT and other lines had plenty of Optimuses (Optimii?) and Megatrons. Its just starting with the post-Animated era did we see designs get standardized more.

Which was a very deliberate move on Hasbro's part, because they wanted core characters in the mythos to have instantly recognizable, "evergreen" designs, so that no matter what new Transformers series is on the shelves, you can spot the major characters and realize immediately that "this is a Transformers toyline."

[Skritz]

G1, G2 and UT and other lines had plenty of Optimuses (Optimii?) and Megatrons. Its just starting with the post-Animated era did we see designs get standardized more.

Which was a very deliberate move on Hasbro's part, because they wanted core characters in the mythos to have instantly recognizable, "evergreen" designs, so that no matter what new Transformers series is on the shelves, you can spot the major characters and realize immediately that "this is a Transformers toyline."

Yeah but its boring.

[Nathaniel Prime]

Addressing the comments above, I can see where you're coming from. Y'all are tired of getting the same things over again. For me, it's not that simple.

For WFC, it's been pretty great, to the point where it's nearly perfect. I dont mind G1, or even GEEWUN, if it has some variety in it. Siege Skytread, Spinister, Impactor, GUOP, all those are the good kind of characters I like to see. These are guys that dont usually get figures, and are getting them now for us to enjoy. For guys like Siege Optimus and Starscream, the Cybertronian altmodes make them unique in my collection. This is the kind of G1 I want. ER Prime only appeals to me for two reasons: the trailer and the matrix. Otherwise, I prefer the look and maybe even the altmode of Siege OP.

[aronjlove]

For guys like Siege Optimus and Starscream, the Cybertronian altmodes make them unique in my collection. This is the kind of G1 I want. ER Prime only appeals to me for two reasons: the trailer and the matrix. Otherwise, I prefer the look and maybe even the altmode of Siege OP.

Last week I would have disagreed with you as I didn't even want Siege Optimus. Then I started realizing how long I had to wait for ER so last week I picked up Siege Optimus and sweet Jesus is the figure the bees knees! The complex transformation! The articulation! The solidness of the alt-mode! So glad I picked him up

[Nathaniel Prime]

For guys like Siege Optimus and Starscream, the Cybertronian altmodes make them unique in my collection. This is the kind of G1 I want. ER Prime only appeals to me for two reasons: the trailer and the matrix. Otherwise, I prefer the look and maybe even the altmode of Siege OP.

Last week I would have disagreed with you as I didn't even want Siege Optimus. Then I started realizing how long I had to wait for ER so last week I picked up Siege Optimus and sweet Jesus is the figure the bees knees! The complex transformation! The articulation! The solidness of the alt-mode! So glad I picked him up

Exactly! So many people take issue with him that I cant even wrap my head around why! There's even a Reprolabels kit that turns his Cybertronian truck into an "Earth" truck that somehow looks less convincing than the original

[Sentinel_Primal]

For guys like Siege Optimus and Starscream, the Cybertronian altmodes make them unique in my collection. This is the kind of G1 I want. ER Prime only appeals to me for two reasons: the trailer and the matrix. Otherwise, I prefer the look and maybe even the altmode of Siege OP.

Last week I would have disagreed with you as I didn't even want Siege Optimus. Then I started realizing how long I had to wait for ER so last week I picked up Siege Optimus and sweet Jesus is the figure the bees knees! The complex transformation! The articulation! The solidness of the alt-mode! So glad I picked him up

Exactly! So many people take issue with him that I cant even wrap my head around why! There's even a Reprolabels kit that turns his Cybertronian truck into an "Earth" truck that somehow looks less convincing than the original

Honestly I prefer thinking of it as that G1 Prime skin from the FOC game

[Nathaniel Prime]

For guys like Siege Optimus and Starscream, the Cybertronian altmodes make them unique in my collection. This is the kind of G1 I want. ER Prime only appeals to me for two reasons: the trailer and the matrix. Otherwise, I prefer the look and maybe even the altmode of Siege OP.

Last week I would have disagreed with you as I didn't even want Siege Optimus. Then I started realizing how long I had to wait for ER so last week I picked up Siege Optimus and sweet Jesus is the figure the bees knees! The complex transformation! The articulation! The solidness of the alt-mode! So glad I picked him up

Exactly! So many people take issue with him that I cant even wrap my head around why! There's even a Reprolabels kit that turns his Cybertronian truck into an "Earth" truck that somehow looks less convincing than the original

Honestly I prefer thinking of it as that G1 Prime skin from the FOC game

That's...actually a great idea! I still dont like it, but I can appreciate it better now!

[Sentinel_Primal]

For guys like Siege Optimus and Starscream, the Cybertronian altmodes make them unique in my collection. This is the kind of G1 I want. ER Prime only appeals to me for two reasons: the trailer and the matrix. Otherwise, I prefer the look and maybe even the altmode of Siege OP.

Last week I would have disagreed with you as I didn't even want Siege Optimus. Then I started realizing how long I had to wait for ER so last week I picked up Siege Optimus and sweet Jesus is the figure the bees knees! The complex transformation! The articulation! The solidness of the alt-mode! So glad I picked him up

Exactly! So many people take issue with him that I cant even wrap my head around why! There's even a Reprolabels kit that turns his Cybertronian truck into an "Earth" truck that somehow looks less convincing than the original

Honestly I prefer thinking of it as that G1 Prime skin from the FOC game

That's...actually a great idea! I still dont like it, but I can appreciate it better now!

I thought of it the second we heard reference to a hover mode! Plus it helps me justify using FOC figures on the Siege shelf instead of spending $110 on the new Seekers

[Nemesis Primal]

Addressing the comments above, I can see where you're coming from. Y'all are tired of getting the same things over again. For me, it's not that simple.

For WFC, it's been pretty great, to the point where it's nearly perfect. I dont mind G1, or even GEEWUN, if it has some variety in it. Siege Skytread, Spinister, Impactor, GUOP, all those are the good kind of characters I like to see. These are guys that dont usually get figures, and are getting them now for us to enjoy. For guys like Siege Optimus and Starscream, the Cybertronian altmodes make them unique in my collection. This is the kind of G1 I want. ER Prime only appeals to me for two reasons: the trailer and the matrix. Otherwise, I prefer the look and maybe even the altmode of Siege OP.

Oh don't get me wrong, Siege is fantastic, to the point where I definitely got less externally annoyed about getting more G1. You just voiced basically my exact opinion on Siege: all the uncommon/obscure characters are great, and the changes they made to the reoccurring characters are unique enough for me to get some of them. The tetrajet mold has been the only time I've actually been interested in a full-on G1-based Seeker mold, I just had to wait for them to put it out as the Rainmakers so I could get it as unique characters instead of another Starscream (and then my girlfriend bought Starscream anyway). Shockwave going on sale led me to finally upgrade from the DotM one with his limited arms, and having an actually jet-black Soundblaster as opposed to the charcoal grey from the FoC one is so great, and with better proportions to boot. There is no Siege figure I think shouldn't have been made or is a wasted slot outside of mayyyybe Springer, I only have suggestions of more I want to see, like Demolishor from the Impactor mold and Deadlock or Drift from said Springer.

That's part of why I'm tentative about Earthrise, it's dropping a lot of the things I like about Siege: the unique alt modes, the stylized G1 look as opposed to blatant G1, and at least in Wave 1, the varied character choice. Wave 1 of Siege had Cog, and Skytread, and a G1 Ultra Magnus with an alt mode from a different Ultra Magnus, whereas Wave 1 of Earthrise has....Ironworks. And two characters we literally just got in Siege. The first look at Siege assuaged a lot of my fears about it, while the first look at Earthrise really didn't.

[Skritz]

Earthrise still has plenty of time to 'redeem' itself with some interesting designs or obscure characters. I'm just worried those hope will be dashed if it turns out Ironworks is like the only one.

[Deadput]

Earthrise still has plenty of time to 'redeem' itself with some interesting designs or obscure characters. I'm just worried those hope will be dashed if it turns out Ironworks is like the only one.

If Ironworks of all things is a thing in this line then I wouldn't be worried, Siege had plenty of obscure characters.

People focus way more on the negative aspects while not paying as much attention to the positive stuff.

Also the Micromasters and the Shield guy?

...okay, see, that right there is why you don't get that complaint: the thing that people who say that (which include me on certain days) are complaining about is exactly the thing you want, from what it sounds like. Multiple of these characters have received updates in those 30 years you mentioned, some of them multiple times, but I guess figures like T30 Springer, who's amazing, don't count as a "proper" Springer because he isn't a blocky lumpman 100% G1 accurate with nothing new?

Then again, I didn't grow up with G1, so I guess it's difficult for me to understand your point of view too. From my POV though, people who want just G1 updates get what they want right now and they STILL complain (who cares what color Earthrise Prime's HANDS are?!), while those who want more than JUST G1 S1-2 again or maybe don't even like G1 get thrown a bone with maybe....2-5% of what gets put out in Generations?

I don't think you understand either.

How is this




Faithful to this?




Thrilling 30 Springer is a fantastic Springer but it's not "the" original G1 design at all, that is the IDW comic design which is quite different.




Now this? This is a way more faithful version




You can make the same argument for characters like Jetfire, Ironhide/Ratchet, Omega Supreeme, Shockwave etc

They didn't have proper toys based on their original beloved G1 designs which tend to be the versions many people like, that's why there are complaints about Earthrise Prime's hands being not blue, blue hands is the proper color of the character and most people are not painters so it's a disappointment to them.

Basically the idea is that people want toys in the exact or close to designs of the characters that they love, it's like if people got a Star Wars Luke Skywalker action figure but it did not look like Luke at all.

[Nemesis Primal]

A long-ish post with valid points that I won't fully repost to save space

Oh yeah, I definitely forgot about Soundbarrier, he's one of the only 3 ER guys I liked with Ironworks and Wheeljack. I don't collect the Micromasters though, zero interest.

As for the Springer argument, I know that T30 Springer is based off the IDW design, I never said it wasn't. And I'm glad it is, because it's a better design/better version of the G1 design and it made Siege Springer an easy pass. The original argument was that Springer, among others, had not received a "proper" mainline figure in 30 years, despite T30 Springer very much being a mainline figure of the character Springer. My point is that their use of the word "proper" is their issue, and why they don't understand the G1 complaints, because it seems like to them if the figure is not a G1-with-knees direct update of the old design, it doesn't count. To people with a less selective definition of a "proper" figure, they have made more figures of Optimus, Megatron, etc. in those 30 years, they just weren't necessarily 100% G1 accurate in terms of design. That's why those people are saying "I'm tired of the same characters over again", while that person is saying "I don't get it, we only just got proper figures of them". Does that make more sense?

Heck, they straight up said we haven't gotten a proper mainline OPTIMUS in 30 years. I can't even count how many Optimus Prime figures one would have to ignore for that to be a factual statement. We got 5 mainline Optimus Primes and an exclusive one from Hasbro alone during the Prime Wars Trilogy, not even counting Takara stuff like Ginrai.

I would argue a more accurate analogy with Luke Skywalker there would be if I wanted a figure of Luke Skywalker from the very beginning of A New Hope when he hasn't left Tatooine yet, and Hasbro made figures of Luke in stormtrooper armor and from the later movies, and I took that and said "They haven't made a proper Luke Skywalker in blank amount of years". That wouldn't be true, the correct way to say it would be "They haven't made the Luke Skywalker design I want in blank amount of years".