The Energon Pub

[ZeroWolf]

The battle damage is still in Earthrise to an extent

[Sabrblade]

The battle damage is still in Earthrise to an extent

Isn't just the dirt marks on Hoist, though?

[Sentinel_Primal]

I finally got Omega today and he's a great figure. Hips sound a bit too heavy, but otherwise he's perfect. Definitely worth picking up in my opinion

[AcademyofDrX]

AdDiTionAl SiEge tHouGhTs

Now that Siege is coming to a close, I wanna kinda reflect on the line as a whole. Siege was pretty good. There was definitely a marked step up in quality from the latter half of Prime Wars. Plastic feels nicer, Figures feel denser, and there have been some fun little engineering tricks that have been worked in. Obviously, the TF team has a higher budget to play with now. If the concessions made in TR and POTP were made so we could get the current standard then I'm happy.

However, If I were to offer one criticism, then it would be this. Siege, I feel, lacked a unified aesthetic. And what I mean by that is that while Siege has some clear design cues, the way and amount they were actually used varies from figure to figure. For example, I feel like say, the Seekers, and like, Prowl, you can conceivably believe from different lines. I'm not surprised to hear that they're the battle damage for Earthrise, as I feel like they never fully committed to it any way. Kind of a shame too, as I feel like using the grittier, more battle worn look might have helped out some of the blander molds like Prowl, Red Alert or Megatron.

In any case, I'm glad Siege happened, and I'm interested in what Earthrise has in store.

I think this is a great idea -- here at the end of the year, at the end of the line, it's a good opportunity to take stock and review the line as a whole. Your input is valuable, too. And while I agree that there was a wide range of aesthetic variety among individual toys, especially with the battle damage, I felt that Siege had a very consistent aesthetic overall. In fact, it was one of my favorite parts of the series.

Looking back at Prime Wars, I think that the play features and their engineering considerations drove the design and the art style. While Siege is very much "G1+," I think they managed to take minor liberties to liven it up and help it stand apart from Masterpiece. This is most evident with the Cybertronian Decepticons, covered in greebles and paint splatters, but Autobots like Hound, Optimus, Ironhide, and Impactor also fit. The Sideswipe and Prowl molds were much cleaner by comparison, but I felt like they still belong. With those molds in particular, it does seem like they may have been looking ahead to Earthrise to ensure that the cartoon Autobots compare well across the WfC lines.

When it was announced, I thought that Fire Blasts would be my favorite part. While I did enjoy them, I haven't taken the time to stage battles like I thought I would. Instead, my favorite part of the line as a whole is the simplicity of most transformations. Siege Sideswipe is probably my favorite figure to transform in the history of the franchise: it's simple, intuitive, and supports the articulation of the figure. Both modes look amazing. I don't have a problem with Prowl's feet, and I quickly got over the Starscream backpack concern. I have seven different Seekers, and I still have as much fun transforming them as the first time. I'm going to treat Springer as an exception because I think they pulled off the look of all three modes, and taking him out of the equation, I think I enjoy every toy.

Prime Wars got me back into TF toys, but Siege turned me into a superfan.

[ZeroWolf]

If you enjoyed the look of Springer's modes then why didn't you enjoy him?

[AcademyofDrX]

If you enjoyed the look of Springer's modes then why didn't you enjoy him?

I hate his transformation. It isn't intuitive, it isn't fun, there are a couple of places where it seems to lock in too tight. I don't have much display space at the moment, so most of my play is just transforming a handful of characters back and forth, maybe find a few poses. I changed him into each alt-mide exactly once, then back into a robot. He'll probably stay that way most of the time. I don't want a statue, I want a toy. Complex transformations are the main reason I stopped buying Masterpiece figures.

Ultimately, I don't know how they could have done him better, though. I'm really impressed with how they made it as toon-accurate in all modes as they did. I swapped out the T30 figure with no regrets. I think it's the best toy that it could have been, but it's still one of my least favorite across the line.

[blackeyedprime]

Ultimately, I don't know how they could have done him better, though. I'm really impressed with how they made it as toon-accurate in all modes as they did. I swapped out the T30 figure with no regrets. I think it's the best toy that it could have been, but it's still one of my least favorite across the line.

I find his lack of toon accuracy spoils the figure and he kind of ends up looking a bit too blocky in the wrong areas. I think I've liked just about every other Springer more (even the ones with only 2 modes and repaints). Hoping he gets a redo at some point but it will be many years if ever. Maybe an upscaled mechfans assault soldier to voyager size with a few more bits that fold away/into position would be a lot better.

Siege faves for me would be refraktor toy color (cartoon one loses out for not having the accessories), Brunt, Skytread (despite it not being anywhere close to the efforts of POTP Battletrap ) and the weaponisers -mainly from being characters I wanted than the ability to give other figures that sometimes suffer from having holes where they shouldn't the ugliest boots.

Siege dislikes would be all the autobot cars, Optimus (voyager and leader) and Springer -which is the only one I spent money on and thought I would like.

If Titans Return hadn't got me back into buying non MP transformers I'm not sure Siege would have. Price hikes and less innovation isn't a great combo.

[ZeroWolf]

If you enjoyed the look of Springer's modes then why didn't you enjoy him?

I hate his transformation. It isn't intuitive, it isn't fun, there are a couple of places where it seems to lock in too tight. I don't have much display space at the moment, so most of my play is just transforming a handful of characters back and forth, maybe find a few poses. I changed him into each alt-mide exactly once, then back into a robot. He'll probably stay that way most of the time. I don't want a statue, I want a toy. Complex transformations are the main reason I stopped buying Masterpiece figures.

Ultimately, I don't know how they could have done him better, though. I'm really impressed with how they made it as toon-accurate in all modes as they did. I swapped out the T30 figure with no regrets. I think it's the best toy that it could have been, but it's still one of my least favorite across the line.

Thank you for sharing your reasoning I still prefer T30 Springer myself but ultimately I appreciate the choice it gives everyone, even though myself, I despair with toon accuracy, preferring new takes. Though on saying that I can never resist fun looking toys, regardless of what style they're going with!

[Rodimus Prime]

I don't care for Springer's transformation either, even though I like his modes too. And I decided to swing by my Walmart tonight after the black Friday craziness died down, and I found one single Spinister on the peg so I picked him up. He's a pretty sharp figure, I haven't really messed with him much, but I like him. I got Apeface last week, I still need Omega Supreme, who will most likely be my Christmas present to myself.

[bacem]

Didn't planned on getting jetfire, but black friday sale happened for the first time in my country, for some reason.so i ended up with one. Trying to do different configuration than the official ones, i think this is pretty neat.

[SiegeFan]

Random thoughts on Siege...

Got into it via a cheap Soundwave. He might be my favourite just because Soundwave. I was desperately addicted not long after! I own or have pre-ordered almost the entire line... I buy them all now as I even think G2 Megatron looks great in hand!

The battle damage was what drew me in, but yeah, it's definitely an afterthought for some of the bots. I'm always happy to see it. It breaks up some seriously bright colours nicely IMO.

Siege is the perfect mix for me of G1 looks, at least one mode I can get behind, scale and price. For the same reasons I'm looking forward to Earthrise even more.

I find the tetrajets only work for me in certain colours (Thundercracker for example), but love bot mode.

The Datsuns... Ones I thought would look great in car mode (Bluestreak for instance) don't IMO, and some I've bought twice rather than continually change them. Though often they were on sale! There's always a mode I like though.

I'm so glad we're diving deeper into the Autobots, it's been a bit of a hike getting only particular characters just because of the moulds.

Blast effects. Love these, bought multiple Battlemasters for them but haven't actually organised my display proper yet... Haven't used the Battlemasters yet for the same reason.

If I hadn't known there would be a bigger focus on modular-enabling figures (Omega, Ironworks) I wouldn't have touched Micromasters; they're nasty.

Weaponizers I'll buy three times over for their different modes and as weapon packs.

Exclusives need to stop! It's especially infuriating as a UK buyer. I never know if I should pay import prices, have someone ship it to me, watch it become a standard release here etc. Hell, even watch Amazon struggle to supply their own exclusive!

Hasbro need to sort out their UK distribution, there's no rhyme or reason to it.

I love the line so much I'll be devastated once it's done. Though I'd imagine it's been such a hit we'll get something very similar. You have to wonder how they'll handle release schedules if the cartoon is a success though, like would they do a follow-on trilogy? I hope so.

I really need the Dinobots, Blaster and Combiners like Defensor, Bruticus, and Devastator at some point.

That'll do for now lol

[aronjlove]

I've had several opportunities to pickup Mirage but have been put off because of the translucent plastic. Am I being overly cautious or should I just go for it? I'm not worried about the cost, but I'd hate to grow fond of a figure to have it break during transformation.

[william-james88]

I've had several opportunities to pickup Mirage but have been put off because of the translucent plastic. Am I being overly cautious or should I just go for it? I'm not worried about the cost, but I'd hate to grow fond of a figure to have it break during transformation.

Oh man, I am waiting to pick up the all clear blue version so if there is an issue I am ****! But honestly, there hasnt been much discussion on breakage. And the community is very loud about it when it happens, so I personally wouldnt worry. When in doubt, its best you get the figure because when its gone from the shelves it will can be ridiculously expensive. Just ask everyone who thought the RID 2015 line was beneath them, now they are stuck paying double-triple for figures.

[ZeroWolf]

Random thoughts on Siege...

Got into it via a cheap Soundwave. He might be my favourite just because Soundwave. I was desperately addicted not long after! I own or have pre-ordered almost the entire line... I buy them all now as I even think G2 Megatron looks great in hand!

The battle damage was what drew me in, but yeah, it's definitely an afterthought for some of the bots. I'm always happy to see it. It breaks up some seriously bright colours nicely IMO.

Siege is the perfect mix for me of G1 looks, at least one mode I can get behind, scale and price. For the same reasons I'm looking forward to Earthrise even more.

I find the tetrajets only work for me in certain colours (Thundercracker for example), but love bot mode.

The Datsuns... Ones I thought would look great in car mode (Bluestreak for instance) don't IMO, and some I've bought twice rather than continually change them. Though often they were on sale! There's always a mode I like though.

I'm so glad we're diving deeper into the Autobots, it's been a bit of a hike getting only particular characters just because of the moulds.

Blast effects. Love these, bought multiple Battlemasters for them but haven't actually organised my display proper yet... Haven't used the Battlemasters yet for the same reason.

If I hadn't known there would be a bigger focus on modular-enabling figures (Omega, Ironworks) I wouldn't have touched Micromasters; they're nasty.

Weaponizers I'll buy three times over for their different modes and as weapon packs.

Exclusives need to stop! It's especially infuriating as a UK buyer. I never know if I should pay import prices, have someone ship it to me, watch it become a standard release here etc. Hell, even watch Amazon struggle to supply their own exclusive!

Hasbro need to sort out their UK distribution, there's no rhyme or reason to it.

I love the line so much I'll be devastated once it's done. Though I'd imagine it's been such a hit we'll get something very similar. You have to wonder how they'll handle release schedules if the cartoon is a success though, like would they do a follow-on trilogy? I hope so.

I really need the Dinobots, Blaster and Combiners like Defensor, Bruticus, and Devastator at some point.

That'll do for now lol

Sounds like Earthrise has got you covered my friend Don't hold out much hope for Combiners just yet as the Combiner Wars ones are still very serviceable but who knows what the third part of the War for Cybertron trilogy will bring?

[aronjlove]

I've had several opportunities to pickup Mirage but have been put off because of the translucent plastic. Am I being overly cautious or should I just go for it? I'm not worried about the cost, but I'd hate to grow fond of a figure to have it break during transformation.

Oh man, I am waiting to pick up the all clear blue version so if there is an issue I am ****! But honestly, there hasnt been much discussion on breakage. And the community is very loud about it when it happens, so I personally wouldnt worry. When in doubt, its best you get the figure because when its gone from the shelves it will can be ridiculously expensive. Just ask everyone who thought the RID 2015 line was beneath them, now they are stuck paying double-triple for figures.

Ok, cool. I will pick him up my next chance then. And I definitely know hear ya about the pricing, tracking down my IDW favorites from the Titans Return line was expensive!

[SiegeFan]

Sounds like Earthrise has got you covered my friend Don't hold out much hope for Combiners just yet as the Combiner Wars ones are still very serviceable but who knows what the third part of the War for Cybertron trilogy will bring?

Gotta say I think Siege brought a lot of people back/in. Personally, I hadn't bought any Transformers in decades and I'm a fully-fledged geek ; even to me previous lines and releases were a confusing mess in terms of visibility and availability. For Joe/Joanna Mainstream? Forget it. That's why I'm hopeful Hasbro will push the line towards the combiners that have played a massive part with IDW and likely the upcoming show.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if we get a follow-up trilogy as we're still due the show, big-ass and expensive Omega Supreme seems to have sold well enough to get Scorponok, and clearly there's a lot of money to be made in little extras and inter-connectivity. If I'm right, they'd be mad to kill a line that's already been highly successful at mainstream retail without even having a show yet.

[Hellscream9999]

I've had several opportunities to pickup Mirage but have been put off because of the translucent plastic. Am I being overly cautious or should I just go for it? I'm not worried about the cost, but I'd hate to grow fond of a figure to have it break during transformation.

Oh man, I am waiting to pick up the all clear blue version so if there is an issue I am ****! But honestly, there hasnt been much discussion on breakage. And the community is very loud about it when it happens, so I personally wouldnt worry. When in doubt, its best you get the figure because when its gone from the shelves it will can be ridiculously expensive. Just ask everyone who thought the RID 2015 line was beneath them, now they are stuck paying double-triple for figures.

Ok, cool. I will pick him up my next chance then. And I definitely know hear ya about the pricing, tracking down my IDW favorites from the Titans Return line was expensive!

Only thing I've heard is the tabs that connect the legs to the torso in the vehicle mode, having him, I don't think it's too much of an issue, just be careful with him

[aronjlove]

I've had several opportunities to pickup Mirage but have been put off because of the translucent plastic. Am I being overly cautious or should I just go for it? I'm not worried about the cost, but I'd hate to grow fond of a figure to have it break during transformation.

Oh man, I am waiting to pick up the all clear blue version so if there is an issue I am ****! But honestly, there hasnt been much discussion on breakage. And the community is very loud about it when it happens, so I personally wouldnt worry. When in doubt, its best you get the figure because when its gone from the shelves it will can be ridiculously expensive. Just ask everyone who thought the RID 2015 line was beneath them, now they are stuck paying double-triple for figures.

Ok, cool. I will pick him up my next chance then. And I definitely know hear ya about the pricing, tracking down my IDW favorites from the Titans Return line was expensive!

Only thing I've heard is the tabs that connect the legs to the torso in the vehicle mode, having him, I don't think it's too much of an issue, just be careful with him

Those tabs are the ones I have read complaints about. While I've been careful with my Apeface I know there were some reports of people breaking the shield peg because it is a translucent blue that's been painted. I'm probably being overly cautious and should just get him, such a sweet alt-mode.

[Hellscream9999]

I've had several opportunities to pickup Mirage but have been put off because of the translucent plastic. Am I being overly cautious or should I just go for it? I'm not worried about the cost, but I'd hate to grow fond of a figure to have it break during transformation.

Oh man, I am waiting to pick up the all clear blue version so if there is an issue I am ****! But honestly, there hasnt been much discussion on breakage. And the community is very loud about it when it happens, so I personally wouldnt worry. When in doubt, its best you get the figure because when its gone from the shelves it will can be ridiculously expensive. Just ask everyone who thought the RID 2015 line was beneath them, now they are stuck paying double-triple for figures.

Ok, cool. I will pick him up my next chance then. And I definitely know hear ya about the pricing, tracking down my IDW favorites from the Titans Return line was expensive!

Only thing I've heard is the tabs that connect the legs to the torso in the vehicle mode, having him, I don't think it's too much of an issue, just be careful with him

Those tabs are the ones I have read complaints about. While I've been careful with my Apeface I know there were some reports of people breaking the shield peg because it is a translucent blue that's been painted. I'm probably being overly cautious and should just get him, such a sweet alt-mode.

Caution is always good with translucent plastic, have broken several recent movie car-bots cuz the car shell is all translucent plastic. mirages legs to require a lot of manhandling, just be gentle and take your time transforming it and it'll be fine

[ZeroWolf]

Sounds like Earthrise has got you covered my friend Don't hold out much hope for Combiners just yet as the Combiner Wars ones are still very serviceable but who knows what the third part of the War for Cybertron trilogy will bring?

Gotta say I think Siege brought a lot of people back/in. Personally, I hadn't bought any Transformers in decades and I'm a fully-fledged geek ; even to me previous lines and releases were a confusing mess in terms of visibility and availability. For Joe/Joanna Mainstream? Forget it. That's why I'm hopeful Hasbro will push the line towards the combiners that have played a massive part with IDW and likely the upcoming show.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if we get a follow-up trilogy as we're still due the show, big-ass and expensive Omega Supreme seems to have sold well enough to get Scorponok, and clearly there's a lot of money to be made in little extras and inter-connectivity. If I'm right, they'd be mad to kill a line that's already been highly successful at mainstream retail without even having a show yet.

We were getting Scorpy anyway We've already seen his head unit (which transforms into a robot mode itself, like cerebros in Fort Max) We even know that the Scorpy head is actually modelled on his Visor design from the Rebirth cartoon and other parts of the franchise.

So far the new continuity for IDW have only used Devesator (in Transformers Galaxies) and he's looking exactly like his titan class toy, so when you say Combiners IDW used, do you mean in the old continuity? There's no word on a cast list yet for the new cartoon, but I'd be suprised to see Combiners in it, people might think it's related to the horrible macinema tf cartoons

[Sentinel_Primal]

Sounds like Earthrise has got you covered my friend Don't hold out much hope for Combiners just yet as the Combiner Wars ones are still very serviceable but who knows what the third part of the War for Cybertron trilogy will bring?

Gotta say I think Siege brought a lot of people back/in. Personally, I hadn't bought any Transformers in decades and I'm a fully-fledged geek ; even to me previous lines and releases were a confusing mess in terms of visibility and availability. For Joe/Joanna Mainstream? Forget it. That's why I'm hopeful Hasbro will push the line towards the combiners that have played a massive part with IDW and likely the upcoming show.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if we get a follow-up trilogy as we're still due the show, big-ass and expensive Omega Supreme seems to have sold well enough to get Scorponok, and clearly there's a lot of money to be made in little extras and inter-connectivity. If I'm right, they'd be mad to kill a line that's already been highly successful at mainstream retail without even having a show yet.

We were getting Scorpy anyway We've already seen his head unit (which transforms into a robot mode itself, like cerebros in Fort Max) We even know that the Scorpy head is actually modelled on his Visor design from the Rebirth cartoon and other parts of the franchise.

So far the new continuity for IDW have only used Devesator (in Transformers Galaxies) and he's looking exactly like his titan class toy, so when you say Combiners IDW used, do you mean in the old continuity? There's no word on a cast list yet for the new cartoon, but I'd be suprised to see Combiners in it, people might think it's related to the horrible macinema tf cartoons

Hopefully because Roosterteeth is involved it'll be better than Machinima's I do hope we hear more about it soon though. I keep forgetting it exists until I see a reminder

[Red Ramen]

Well frick, siege skywarp is outta stock on amazon. Is there any chance that he’s gonna he restocked

[william-james88]

Well frick, siege skywarp is outta stock on amazon. Is there any chance that he’s gonna he restocked

Not much chance, its an exclusive figure so all the stock already went to them.

[blackeyedprime]

Well frick, siege skywarp is outta stock on amazon. Is there any chance that he’s gonna he restocked

Not much chance, its an exclusive figure so all the stock already went to them.

Hopefully they sent the stock overseas to Amazon Uk seeing as they weren't able to locate any stock whilst .com had them in stock...one can hope

[SiegeFan]

Sounds like Earthrise has got you covered my friend Don't hold out much hope for Combiners just yet as the Combiner Wars ones are still very serviceable but who knows what the third part of the War for Cybertron trilogy will bring?

Gotta say I think Siege brought a lot of people back/in. Personally, I hadn't bought any Transformers in decades and I'm a fully-fledged geek ; even to me previous lines and releases were a confusing mess in terms of visibility and availability. For Joe/Joanna Mainstream? Forget it. That's why I'm hopeful Hasbro will push the line towards the combiners that have played a massive part with IDW and likely the upcoming show.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if we get a follow-up trilogy as we're still due the show, big-ass and expensive Omega Supreme seems to have sold well enough to get Scorponok, and clearly there's a lot of money to be made in little extras and inter-connectivity. If I'm right, they'd be mad to kill a line that's already been highly successful at mainstream retail without even having a show yet.

We were getting Scorpy anyway We've already seen his head unit (which transforms into a robot mode itself, like cerebros in Fort Max) We even know that the Scorpy head is actually modelled on his Visor design from the Rebirth cartoon and other parts of the franchise.

So far the new continuity for IDW have only used Devesator (in Transformers Galaxies) and he's looking exactly like his titan class toy, so when you say Combiners IDW used, do you mean in the old continuity? There's no word on a cast list yet for the new cartoon, but I'd be suprised to see Combiners in it, people might think it's related to the horrible macinema tf cartoons

Yeah, I knew about Scorponok but I'd imagine they wanted to know how well Omega was received before they committed to another Titan class figure.

Yup, old continuity. Haven't started the new stuff, though I'm dying to.