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JazZeke wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

JazZeke wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

JazZeke wrote:

Sustain wrote:

JazZeke wrote:

TurboMMaster wrote:With Michael Bay out of the Way, there is a great chance hat Transformers 5 will be the best movie from the series. Judging from New TMNT Movie, i think there is a chance for even more impressive progress in fifth movie, Jonathan Liebesman dexerves a chance, he killed Splinter, so there is a chance he will be brave enough to kill Optimus for a little longer.

Ugh, can we please just stop killing characters left and right? It's hard to get invested in the characters when they have a smaller survival rate than in a horror movie. Its a cheap gimmick that's lost all shock value thanks to being overdone.

I agree on that. I get that they want to sell toys and the more then better, but you need to make us like the character to want to buy it. Killing them off and making them fodder I feel doesn't drive sales. I kinda hate that toy sales drive most of it too.

I didn't like any of the characters from the last movie enough to want to buy their toys (aside from the toys looking awful) because a) they were all annoying and b) where the hell did everybody from the last two movies go? What happened to Sideswipe, the Wreckers etc.? And if the cast can be so easily turned over so unceremoniously, who's to say this cast will stick around either? Geez, remember when we thought the slaughter in the first act of the 86 movie was bad?

Did you even watch the movie? They clearly stated that everyone was killed They even showed Leadfoot getting gunned down twice. If you saw the Wrecker's leader being slaughtered, why the Hell do you think the others are anywhere?

I'd ask if you understood rhetoric, but as you think these movies are examples of good storytelling, that's a self-answering question. (I said it before, I'll say it again: Go read a book.) My point by asking "What happened to Sideswipe, the Wreckers etc.?" was not asking an obvious question, but pointing out the poor way these characters were dealt with--they deserved more than barely-mentioned off-screen deaths to make room for new characters/toys. Even the 86 movie did better by the characters it killed off by showing us their deaths; it allowed the audience to feel that loss.

That, right there, is you're problem. You feel to damn much. Simple information isn't enough, is it?

No, it's not, not for storytelling.

Speaking as a writer, stories resonate with us. It's a deep-seated aspect of human nature; we identify with characters in stories, be they real or fictional. We bond with them, and that's what elevates a story from a mere occurrence. The characters have to have emotion, depth, otherwise it's merely a puppet show. And if we can't feel anything for the characters, then what's the f***ing point?

JazZeke wrote:*edit* You know what, it's just not worth it.

Ironhidensh wrote:

JazZeke wrote:*edit* You know what, it's just not worth it.

Yeah, I was going to respond as well, but you are right, good sir.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Ironhidensh wrote:

JazZeke wrote:*edit* You know what, it's just not worth it.

Yeah, I was going to respond as well, but you are right, good sir.

So you're just going to let him win? Or is it true what he says about himself and he has won before it even started?

JazZeke wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Ironhidensh wrote:

JazZeke wrote:*edit* You know what, it's just not worth it.

Yeah, I was going to respond as well, but you are right, good sir.

So you're just going to let him win? Or is it true what he says about himself and he has won before it even started?

Nice try, but a guy who obviously goes on motorcycle rides with Gary Busey just isn't worth it.

JazZeke wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Ironhidensh wrote:

JazZeke wrote:*edit* You know what, it's just not worth it.

Yeah, I was going to respond as well, but you are right, good sir.

So you're just going to let him win? Or is it true what he says about himself and he has won before it even started?

Nice try, but a guy who obviously goes on motorcycle rides with Gary Busey just isn't worth it.