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Till all cartoons are one

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Re: Till all cartoons are one

Postby Jelze Bunnycat » Mon Jul 26, 2010 8:45 am

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:On top of that, I'll be blasphemous and say this: I'm not considering G1 Unicron to be Armada Unicron. Same goes for G1 and Cybertron Primus . Now if you'll excuse me...

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Re: Till all cartoons are one

Postby Stormwolf » Mon Jul 26, 2010 9:23 am

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The cartoons (and comics) are indeed linked, but in the way that you would expect it.

The official explanation is that all series are alternate realities.

In in the Armada comics we even saw Armada Prime end up on Rhythems of Darkness Cybertron.
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Re: Till all cartoons are one

Postby ebilly99 » Mon Jul 26, 2010 1:33 pm

the only way to unite the universes is to start fresh, add the look at the events without the tf in it and add chartcters as needed
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Re: Till all cartoons are one

Postby RK_Striker_JK_5 » Thu Jul 29, 2010 4:07 pm

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Your task is simply impossible, I'm afraid. Transformers has one of the most fractured continuities... ever.
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Re: Till all cartoons are one

Postby Catalyst Prime » Sat Jul 31, 2010 9:34 pm

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The biggest mistake, In my opinion, is trying to connect the awesomeness of the G1 series(plural) with the craptastic unicron Trilogy... they just don't fit... at all.

I don't blame you for giving up, but I applaud your initial attempt.

I'm currently working on a script and timeline for my own stop-motion animation transformer series that deals with all the plot holes and story gaps throughout the G1 cartoons. Which include plans to delve into Seibertrons history(Using a mash up of the War Within and War for Cybertron storys) then moving on to the Ark crash and eventual reanimation in 1984. Then move on to the Rebirth of cybertron and Fortress Maximus Taking over leadership while Rodimus is away.

In the end I plan on linking the series together,most likly in this order-
War for Cybertron/War Within
Beast Wars(the time jumps)
MTMTE
Headmasters/Rebirth
Masterforce
Victory
Zone
Beast Wars
Machine Wars

I know nothing about beastwars neo or BWII so I have yet to put them in my timeline...
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Re: Till all cartoons are one

Postby Catalyst Prime » Sun Aug 01, 2010 5:28 pm

Motto: ""If at first you don't succeed, Destroy all evidence that you tried""
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I forgot to mention that I also plan to have a segment where the RiD/Car Robots characters will meet up with G1 versions of themselves through a demensional rift or something along those lines. I plan on using the american names for G1 and Japaness names for RiD(mostly because my first time watching the series was the japaness Car Robots so I just know them by their Japaness Names.

RiD Optimus dosn't look like Optimus to me the name Fire Convoy fits him better.
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Re: Till all cartoons are one

Postby Senator Ratbat » Sun Aug 15, 2010 3:13 am

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This is actually not impossible to do, and in fact has been done before on a much smaller scale with Cybertron: Balancing Act. You basically have one option - mirror universes, linked by a hub (Cybertron itself, in the case of Balancing Act). This is what DC has done to keep their dozens of continuities in check, and is commonly referred to as a multiverse. There might be other ways to tie this all together, but it would be very hard for any of your readers to swallow. It would obviously have to involve some extreme deus ex machina element from the mythos, like dark energon, Unicron, or Starscream's ghost. If you're trying to get every character with a shared name to function as one personality, though, you're either going to have to start dealing with aspects (like Animated Starscream's fractured clones) or introduce some wild plot element that would make them all combine into one body, with elements from each personality (or an Animated Blitzwing-esque split personality disorder, with random personalities from each namesake popping up to the surface from time to time).

Obviously, though, the easiest thing to do would be to just select your absolute favorite incarnations of each individual character name, and throw them all together in a timeline of your own creation. For instance, you need a Thrust - does your story call for a manipulative strategist (Armada), a ground-based speed demon (Beast Machines), or an elite airborne soldier (G1)? You need an Inferno - do you want a heroic rescue specialist (G1), a noble, self-sacrificing sniper (Energon), or an evil lunatic (Beast Wars)? You need a Scourge - do you want a quiet, self-serving lieutenant (G1), a Decepticon elite commander (RiD), or a violent, stubborn tyrant with a hidden soft spot (Cybertron)? You need a Mirage - does that call for a homesick pacifist with a crucial-in-battle special ability (G1), a gruff, introverted sniper with impeccable aim (RiD), or a loyal, fawning underling with immense firepower (Energon)? So on and so forth.

But even in this, you'll come to characters such as Optimus, Megatron, Starscream & Soundwave, whose characters and personalities don't really seem to change noticeably throughout the mythology (with the rare exception of Armada Starscream, of course). You've said you've already got Optimus and Megatron covered, though, so let me go to Soundwave - you can shift Soundblaster around to function as a separate entity, sure, but which Soundwave are you going to choose: obedient G1 lox, or the cunning, wise-cracking lone wolf from Cybertron? Each of these characters has a different master (Megatron and Unicron, respectively), which in itself makes them polar opposites of each other. I didn't even include the Animated incarnation here, but that's another one to consider (although he's closer to the Cybertron lone wolf archetype than his G1 counterpart). And then there's the problem with his pets - Ratbat is his own (insanely powerful, in some cases) character in various timelines, ranging from a mute spy flier, to a corrupt Autobot senator, to a violent & cunning mercenary leader, and even up to chief commander of the Decepticon army in one case. Most of that encompasses comics timelines, but I'm assuming you're not crossing into that territory here. It's still something to think through, though.

And I know how these things go - eventually, you'll want it to be as absolutely full, clean and complete as it can possibly get. This will likely lead you to want to include the aforementioned comics timelines, the untranslated Japanese Beast Wars series, and the various toyline continuities. After all, even if you manage to somehow squeeze all of the cartoon characters into one series, you're still missing out on a vast array of character incarnations from all of these extended universes.

So, to make sure you don't go insane if you're still hellbent on doing this, choose one:
Option 1) Plan out a mirror-universe scenario, and have characters interact that way.
Option 2) Try to work in split-personalities, clones, or aspects of all namesake characters.
Option 3) Create your own custom universe with all of your favorite TF incarnations in it.

Hoped that helped somewhat.
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Re: Till all cartoons are one

Postby JetOptimus23 » Sun Aug 22, 2010 1:01 am

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Catalyst Prime wrote:Machine Wars



I don't think that's big enough to be called "CONTINUITY".
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