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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:BTW you linked me to the wika page and it doesnt have a pic of the movie mold of The Fallen....why???

Because we haven't seen one. Though I think that very massive TF in the trailer, who's bottom half is just a large wheel, might be the Fallen, though I've heard rumors that it's a Constructicon. (Helluva large Constructicon if it's true, completely dwarfing Prime)

Shadowman wrote:Because we haven't seen one.

Where have you been????Under a rock????






http://www.tf08.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=223

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Shadowman wrote:Because we haven't seen one.

Where have you been????Under a rock????

Yes, Yes I have.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:



http://www.tf08.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=223

That's him? Fantastic. No, I haven't seen these until now, and man they look nice...

...wait, then who's the massive guy with the wheel from the trailer? You can't tell me that's a Constructicon, where are they going to get a wheel that big?

Shadowman wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Shadowman wrote:Because we haven't seen one.

Where have you been????Under a rock????

Yes, Yes I have.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:



http://www.tf08.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=223

That's him? Fantastic. No, I haven't seen these until now, and man they look nice...

...wait, then who's the massive guy with the wheel from the trailer? You can't tell me that's a Constructicon, where are they going to get a wheel that big?

That is indeed one of the six constructions, well seven if you count Devastator's weapon.
http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/ ... toy/15108/

Dead Metal wrote:

Shadowman wrote:...wait, then who's the massive guy with the wheel from the trailer? You can't tell me that's a Constructicon, where are they going to get a wheel that big?

That is indeed one of the six constructions, well seven if you count Devastator's weapon.
http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/ ... toy/15108/

Huh. Shows me for not keeping up with the news on the new movie.

anyone who says that the clip from the movie isn't the reformatted version of megs as seen in the ravage megs design picks and toy packaging are really in denial. It's solid proof! The only question is whether or not his name will still be megatron. The packaging says yes, Bay says megatron wil not be in the movie. Thus...

1) Bay is lying and megatron will be in the movie as megatron

or

2) Bay told Hasbro to package megatron as megatron instead of his new real name which will be told in the movie

2) is where i'm leaning... i mean what's the big deal with packaging megs wrong... they did it with brawl!

Shadowman wrote:
That's him? Fantastic. No, I haven't seen these until now, and man they look nice...

I dont like it much but a different paint schehe might help

Shadowman wrote:...wait, then who's the massive guy with the wheel from the trailer? You can't tell me that's a Constructicon, where are they going to get a wheel that big?

It "IS" rummored to be one 7th of the construticon team.

Okay, okay.

I understand this argument that just because a toy is being made for release with the other new movie toys doesn't in fact guarantee the character will be in the new movie.

Examples (from the first movie) were Arcee, Wreckage, Swindle (red car), etc...

BUT this is MEGATRON we're talking about. In my humble opinion, if a toy coming out with a new series/movie is a new/reformatted Megatron toy, Optimus Prime toy, or Starscream toy... then it 99% guarantees the character will show up in that show/movie. Those are the big three that I really don't think they'd make a toy of unless it was in the show/movie.

Just my opinion. Of course, it's hard to argue since those 3 are like staples in most continuities. But you have to agree that we're not talking about just any character or any other reformatted toy design.

I am on the fence though about the hand holding down Sam in the teaser. It could be Starscream IMHO or Megatron. I'm also on the fence that if Megs is coming back, does the toy guarantee that he'll be called Megatron or due to Bay's statement, will he be called Galvatron --- so Bay can say he wasn't technically lying about it. I don't know. But I do feel 99% sure that we're getting Megatron/Galvatron for more than just a dream sequence.

EDIT: I'm also 99% sure due to the combination the toy and him on the cover of that Missile Mania game.

oldskooltf wrote:Okay, okay.

I understand this argument that just because a toy is being made for release with the other new movie toys doesn't in fact guarantee the character will be in the new movie.

Examples (from the first movie) were Arcee, Wreckage, Swindle (red car), etc...

BUT this is MEGATRON we're talking about. In my humble opinion, if a toy coming out with a new series/movie is a new/reformatted Megatron toy, Optimus Prime toy, or Starscream toy... then it 99% guarantees the character will show up in that show/movie. Those are the big three that I really don't think they'd make a toy of unless it was in the show/movie.

Just my opinion. Of course, it's hard to argue since those 3 are like staples in most continuities. But you have to agree that we're not talking about just any character or any other reformatted toy design.

I would like to agree with you but there is evidence from that past that contradicts your way of thinking.....Particularly the "Bat" Optimus Primal and the "Alligator" Megatron.

The way I see it....its up in the air.

crashbarbarian wrote:anyone who says that the clip from the movie isn't the reformatted version of megs as seen in the ravage megs design picks and toy packaging are really in denial. It's solid proof! The only question is whether or not his name will still be megatron.

I still haven't seen this solid proof you keep mentioning. One hand, that's it, not even the whole hand, just the fingers.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
I would like to agree with you but there is evidence from that past that contradicts your way of thinking.....Particularly the "Bat" Optimus Primal and the "Alligator" Megatron.

The way I see it....its up in the air.

Not going to argue with you there. I was "checked out" during the Beasties continuities.


I guess every "rule" has an exception(s).

Maybe me being 99% sure Megatron is back for TF:RotF is too high of a percentage.

oldskooltf wrote:Not going to argue with you there.

That would be wise

just kidding

oldskooltf wrote:I guess every "rule" has an exception(s).

Thats about the only true rule in this world

Shadowman wrote:

crashbarbarian wrote:anyone who says that the clip from the movie isn't the reformatted version of megs as seen in the ravage megs design picks and toy packaging are really in denial. It's solid proof! The only question is whether or not his name will still be megatron.

I still haven't seen this solid proof you keep mentioning. One hand, that's it, not even the whole hand, just the fingers.

I know where you are comming from. There is a great deal of coralation regarding Megatron in TF:RotF. Yes, the hand is not proof, but it does look a great deal like Megatron's. There is not another transformer seen in the first movie with a hand like that. So, one can assume it is Megatron or another character.

Next, in the same hand scene, tank treads are visable on a leg in the background. These treads look very similar to the leg treads seen in the leaked Megatron design, which included Ravage (who was clearly shown in the teaser, and look just like the leaked image). Again, no previously seen transformer had treads like this on their legs.

There are other examples, but I think you are familar with them. While there is not conclusive proof that Megatron is in the movie, there is a good deal of coralated evidence that leads most people to assume Megatron is indeed in the second movie.

Me, I am not assuming Megatron is making a return, but I will not be suprised to see old bucket head in the movie.

St. Even wrote:Yes, the hand is not proof, but it does look a great deal like Megatron's. There is not another transformer seen in the first movie with a hand like that. So, one can assume it is Megatron or another character.

There, that's it. No one in the first movie had a hand like that, but this is the second movie.

St. Even wrote:Next, in the same hand scene, tank treads are visable on a leg in the background.'

Hang on, I'm looking at the damn-near frame-by-frame, and I'm not seeing a tank tread. I thought one had one, but it was just a metal structure partially covered by another piece of metal, making it look like treads.

St. Even wrote:These treads look very similar to the leg treads seen in the leaked Megatron design, which included Ravage (who was clearly shown in the teaser, and look just like the leaked image). Again, no previously seen transformer had treads like this on their legs.

Now, I'd like you to look at the screen-grab gallery I posted, and pick out the exact frame that shows these treads. And also, 1. A Decepticon that turns into something with treads is not rare. 2. Who says it's a Transformer?

St. Even wrote:There are other examples, but I think you are familar with them. While there is not conclusive proof that Megatron is in the movie, there is a good deal of coralated evidence that leads most people to assume Megatron is indeed in the second movie.

And I'm still waiting on this evidence.

http://dwteam.org/rotf/

images 31 and 32...take what you want from it. There are Cybertronian glyphs on the foot area that lead up to treads that looks just like the treads on the leaked image. There is also a lot of rust that can be infered came from sitting at the bottom of the ocean.

I do not care if you think Megatron is in the film or not. I have no association with the production. You are, though, being a little overbearing about your whole "proof" arguement, which I find odd since you are on-board with the Fallen being a character in an of itself. In the end, do what makes you happy.

I agree that it is not for certain that Megatron is in the film, but I understand and acknowledge why many people think he is.

St. Even wrote:http://dwteam.org/rotf/

images 31 and 32...take what you want from it. There are Cybertronian glyphs on the foot area that lead up to treads that looks just like the treads on the leaked image. There is also a lot of rust that can be infered came from sitting at the bottom of the ocean.

Looked like rivetting and valves from something in an old ship yard to me. I didn't even see it as a leg.. maybe I was looking in the wrong spot...

St. Even wrote:http://dwteam.org/rotf/

images 31 and 32...take what you want from it. There are Cybertronian glyphs on the foot area that lead up to treads that looks just like the treads on the leaked image. There is also a lot of rust that can be infered came from sitting at the bottom of the ocean.

...Sorry, can you actually SHOW me these images? Image 31 shows nothing resembling treads, and Image 32 is just Mikaela and some other guy.

St. Even wrote:I do not care if you think Megatron is in the film or not. I have no association with the production. You are, though, being a little overbearing about your whole "proof" arguement

it's not that I don't care, it's that for once, I'd like to see people claim things about the movie with actual solid evidence.

which I find odd since you are on-board with the Fallen being a character in an of itself.[/quote]

You want my proof on the Fallen? Alright, easy:

1. His face is on one of the posters.
2. It is confirmed to be The Fallen's face with the release of the toy which has both his name, as well as the face from the poster.
3. His name is in the title. It would be like making Rise of the Silver Surfer but without the Silver Surfer, or Revenge of the Sith, without any Sith.

i wish i wasn't so lazy and would just put up all the pics ive seen of new megs on this thread... but i am lazy... I'm just wondering if you guys (shadowman especially) have seen all the concept stuff i've seen.... dude, it's his leg in the trailer... no doubt in my mind... it's got gears and glyphs and is not starscreams leg.. how is this so hard to realize... and what do you mean you don't see the treds.. it is a different style of tred..but it's the exact same tred as in the concept stuff

Shadowman, you are really trying hard to deny the obvious.... why?

crashbarbarian wrote:Shadowman, you are really trying hard to deny the obvious.... why?

It might be because its just not as obvious as you think.

I'm not trying to take sides, mostly because it doesnt matter to me much, but I've seen every peace of evidence....and while I'll admit some of it is suggestive that Megatron may be in the movie...."NONE" of it is conclusive.

None of it proves that Megatron is in the film beyond a shadow of a doubt....and truth be told even seeing a screen shot of a complete Megatron would be proof.

Its not uncommon for trailers to have footage that never gets to film.

crashbarbarian wrote:i wish i wasn't so lazy and would just put up all the pics ive seen of new megs on this thread... but i am lazy... I'm just wondering if you guys have seen all the concept stuff i've seen.... dude, it's his leg in the trailer... no doubt in my mind... it's got gears and glyphs and is not starscreams leg.. how is this so hard to realize... and what do you mean you don't see the treds.. it is a different style of tred..but it's the exact same tred as in the concept stuff

What's funny is that I've been agreeing with the "I believe Megatron is coming back" and yet I never even compared http://www.seibertron.com/images/news/g ... avage1.jpg to http://dwteam.org/rotf/p7hg_img_3/fulls ... 626_fs.jpg and http://dwteam.org/rotf/p7hg_img_3/fulls ... 711_fs.jpg

crashbarbarian, I agree with "Megatron is coming back" even more now that I've done the comparison.

But I can see why people will not be convinced that the screen shots from the trailer match qualities of Megatron's leaked new design in that other picture next to ravage. But I don't know why a leaked movie design would exist (next to Ravage's design, which we see is true with the trailer) UNLESS Megatron is going to be in the new movie OR Megatron was planned for TF:RoTF but later cut out for TF3 OR he will change his name to Galvatron. That to me are the only possible reasons for the leaked design.

oldskooltf wrote: But I don't know why a leaked movie design would exist (next to Ravage's design, which we see is true with the trailer) UNLESS Megatron is going to be in the new movie OR Megatron was planned for TF:RoTF but later cut out for TF3 OR he will change his name to Galvatron. That to me are the only possible reasons for the leaked design.

There are any number of reasons a "Leaked" design would exsist and still not be in the final product.

First among them would be deliberate false advertising.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

oldskooltf wrote: But I don't know why a leaked movie design would exist (next to Ravage's design, which we see is true with the trailer) UNLESS Megatron is going to be in the new movie OR Megatron was planned for TF:RoTF but later cut out for TF3 OR he will change his name to Galvatron. That to me are the only possible reasons for the leaked design.

There are any number of reasons a "Leaked" design would exsist and still not be in the final product.

First among them would be deliberate false advertising.

Yes... just about anything is possible I suppose... but (1) the leaked Megatron design was next to a design for a character that we do indeed see in the TV spot (that would be ravage) -- making it unlikely (although not impossible) that this leak was done for deliberate false advertising, and (2) the other leaked designs have come to be true (the twins, sideswipe) with the only exception that I remember being the Soundwave pick-up truck design -- which I believe/think they said it was pulled from RotF because they changed their mind. Maybe I'm remembering that wrong.

Edit: Actually, I just looked and can't find a place where Orci said it was pulled. All I can find is Orci saying he won't be a pick-up truck. Interesting though how that Soundwave concept art as a pick-up truck also lists him as a Satellite and has ravage on it -- those latter two are confirmed as true.

Again... I'm not coming out and saying that Megatron is confirmed to be in RotF... cause no "for sure" confirmation is out there. We would need more to say that, in my humble opinion. But I am saying that I, for one, am a believer that Megs will be in it.

To me... the biggest problem with my "belief" is that Bay has stated the opposite as true.

Only time will tell.

I don't want to confuse you guys but I think there can be a third option. Someone here on Seibertron said that Megatron can appear only in Sam's mind due to his 'madness' (Which was mentioned before in videos and leaked information).

crashbarbarian wrote:i wish i wasn't so lazy and would just put up all the pics ive seen of new megs on this thread... but i am lazy... I'm just wondering if you guys (shadowman especially) have seen all the concept stuff i've seen.... dude, it's his leg in the trailer...

How can you tell?

crashbarbarian wrote:no doubt in my mind... it's got gears and glyphs and is not starscreams leg..

It's not Starscream, so it must be Megatron...is that your argument? You know there are other Decepticons, right?

crashbarbarian wrote:how is this so hard to realize... and what do you mean you don't see the treds.. it is a different style of tred..but it's the exact same tred as in the concept stuff

I don't see treads because there are none. We're thinking of the same thing, right? Treads, like on a tank? Because I'm not seeing them.

crashbarbarian wrote:Shadowman, you are really trying hard to deny the obvious.... why?

Because it's not obvious.You can't just look at an obscured hand or leg and immediately assume it is one specific character. There are other Decepticons, many of whom would probably want revenge over Megatron or the AllSpark.

I've looked at the hands of Starscream and Megatron and came to the conclusion that it must be Megatron's hands.
The fingers don't match up with Starscreams while they do with Megatron's, the yhave the same construction, design and layout even the same colouring.
Also there are tank threads in that scene:
http://dwteam.org/rotf/p7hg_img_3/fulls ... 626_fs.jpg
This gallery is great:
http://dwteam.org/rotf/
Now watch the spot in HD again and you'll notice that object behind him moving, like a foot.