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DeathAura wrote:i've been reading this thread, and there is so much psychology embedded within it.

Some people are calling for brutality, population extermination, and etc. It might make for a well-rounded argument, but it just is not a viable method of problem solving. I say it because it is illegal to go around killing people because they are annoying, or beating them up.

Wait, theres people here calling for killing these kids, and I have Side Burn ragging on me for being an advocate of a deserved spanking!?!

Thats **** Up!

Sid Burn wrote:

Susinko wrote:Liege Evilmus, I was beaten as a child and I KNOW I was abused. I learned that putting fear and pain into a child doesn't accomplish anything but make them fear you. It doesn't teach.

I am glad to see I wasnt the only one appalled by Liege Evilmus' many posts praising the benefits of child abuse.

There is NO REASON a parent needs violence as a tool to raise their children. There are a thousand other ways to assert your authority without raising a hand. If you teach a child that violence solves problems, then, big surprise, that child will probably grow up and use violence to solve their problems.

I am in now way an advocate of child abuse, there is a very strong difference between beating the **** out of your kids, and a well deserved spanking.

If you have a kid who isn't listening, and the only option left is an embarasing crack on the ass, yeah I say do it.

Why do I bring up my own experiences, for example! I took hits, my little brother and siter didn't.

Now we're all grown, and who's a more productive person both civily, civicly, and professionaly, and who's still a brat.

Take a guess!

And when I say I took my hits but don't think I was abused, well thats because I realy don't think I was. I took some unjust hits, but never one for absolutly nothing.

And to top that I've seen kids that where truely abused, then and now, I work with under privledged kids and everyday my heart goes out to them and I try to be the best person I can be for them because I know if not me, than probably no one else will ever be.

And then when I go to a toy store(and keep in mind I do not just by for me), and see some spoiled little brat running rampant because he has everything and still wants more...

Well yeah, I wanna see that kid live even for a second in those other kids shoes and see if he/she still acts the same way.

And God Dam It, if you're "APPALLED" by that being the reason for my outlook, and just assume that I wanna see more kids beat instead or reared, and not even talk to me about the reasons for my outlook...!

Than Side Burn, I am APPALLED by you, and the fact that you think you even have half a reason to look down on me.

Now whats realy APPALLING is the amout of straight forward bigotry that I read in The Jazz Factor thread. Wonder if you took a cross up there too?

This thread needs closed quickly. It's getting too heated and too personal.

Milesy wrote:I **** hate kids these days! Kids are wrapped up in cotton wool these days, and noone is allowed to say anything or disipline them or anything.

When I was wee, If I messed up I got my arse skelped for it, and do you know what? I quickly realised good from bad.

QFT! Everyone makes excuse for these kids. Everyhing from "oh doesnt pay attention in class, it must be ADD!" put the kid infront of a nintendo and see if he pays attention!

And everyone is afraid to scold and spank their kids! What the hell is wrong with parents nowadays?

There was this kid running around in the supper market opening all the bottles of soda. I was like "hey dont do that!" His dad came around and was like dont you talk to my son like that blah blah blah. They kicked him out for threats and made him pay for the all the soda bottles too.

Ah, I'm glad I didn't drop in so far and share my life story.

Oops. Too late.

Liege Evilmus wrote:you just assume that I wanna see more kids beat instead or reared, and not even talk to me about the reasons for my outlook...!

Than Side Burn, I am APPALLED by you, and the fact that you think you even have half a reason to look down on me.

Now whats realy APPALLING is the amout of straight forward bigotry that I read in The Jazz Factor thread. Wonder if you took a cross up there too?

dude, I really didnt require your life story, your circumstances dont change that fact that you advocate terrorizing children into obedience. Being a teacher, blood donor etc etc does not make you an authority on the subject, nor does it excuse scaring children into line, especially when those children arent even yours.

Clearly you have a big chip on your shoulder, you contributed a lot of content to this thread and nowhere did I see you advocating the type of generosity you claim to exude in your day to day life.

What I read was someone bragging about evading police. More importantly, I read someone advocating fear as a method of parenting and that is ultimately self defeating. The kids grow up Evilmus, and as they age the respect they showed often fades once they cannot be threatened into submission. What is worse, many of these kids will carry on this horrible way of parenting.
They also can grow to resent their parents once they comprehend that they were intimidated into obedience.

Control is fleeting when it is instilled by fear. You admit this yourself, you knew you were going to be punished so you stopped caring about doing right. Even in your response to me you were threatening, telling me to not 'dare' judge you on your posts. Its a message board Evilmus, what am I supposed to judge you on, your avatar? You are so quick to use threats to get what you want, I am a complete stranger to you and already you are threatening me.

In the end I was simply providing another point of view from yours, one that advocates parenting without violence or the threat of violence. I dont believe it is neccessary.
Perhaps if you reread your own posts you will see how I came to these conclusions, your opinion on the subject is quite clear.

And as a matter of fact, I took a shot at calming the racial slurs in the jazz thread, but you have to pick your battles. When no one seemed to care about the tasteless nature of the thread I let it be.

Also the name is Sid Burn, if you are going to refer to me in your posts I would appreciate it if you did so correctly.

This will be my last post here as, Yes this is getting to personal.

So I simply say, I would have been fine to leave everything as is, I don't pick fights, but when called out, I do respond.

You as I said, you do not know me, yet you still did mock me.

So civily I ask, you know some of the things I do for society, you also know know that I made some mistakes and learned and grew from them inproving myself in the process.

So I ask YOU, what have you done? I'm not saying you should be doing what I do, not everyone can. But when was the last time you got off your high horse and did anything charitable for nothing other than the sake of charity?

Hell, and this is TO EVERYONE READING THIS, winter is coming and someone out there could use last years coat. Drop it in a box, instaed of letting it rot in your closet.

I'm sure you'll fault me for this to, but it's the right thing to do so I do not care

I don't take well to personal insults or attacks, and when you resort to something as foolish as basing you oppinion of me on my avatar, while you yourself offer THE FALLEN with a sig "Necks Broken and Checks Cashed", well you and this whole discussion fall to a level beneith me.

So once again, Good Day To You, I'm done here.

Liege Evilmus wrote:This will be my last post here as, Yes this is getting to personal.

So I simply say, I would have been fine to leave everything as is, I don't pick fights, but when called out, I do respond.

You as I said, do not know me, yet you still did mock me.

So civily I ask, you know some of the things I do for society, you also know know that I made some mistakes and learned and grew from them.

So I ask YOU, what have you done? I'm not saying you should be doing what I do, not everyone can. But when was the last time you got off your high horse and did anything charitable for nothing other than the sake of charity?

I don't take well to personal insults or attacks, and when you resort to something as foolish as basing you oppinion of me on my avatar(which is custom, I have more in my life than TFs), while you yourself offer THE FALLEN with a sig "Necks Broken and Checks Cashed", well you and this whole discussion fall to a level beneith me.

So once again, Good Day To You, I'm done here.

Aaaaaand again we are missing the point, I never cared about your avatar Evilmus, I was asking you what you would have me judge you on if not your posts. Mentioning the avatar was an attempt at sarcasm that I guess didnt hit the mark.

I never insulted you, I never mocked you. I provided an opinion opposite to yours. This is supposed to be a free exchange of ideas, how you get offended by a total strangers opinion of you I dont know.

Finally, I will again stress that no amount of civil service excuses some of the things you advocate. I could donate everything I own, it still wouldnt excuse it.

Ask the parents on this board if they think the best way to parent their children is to scare the **** out of them until they fall in line. I know what the answer will be, do you?

****, I wanted to be done here but I had to edit to include donating coats.

You mention sarcasm, most of what I wrote was writen with just that, I wonder why you didn't get that from the start

Your saying I'm bragging about a criminal past when you have no clue as to anything I've ever done. Hell, I was making a very clear example. I shoplifted, and stopped nearly as soon as I began, because dicipline taught me the conequence, befor it got that far. Where as in the case of my brother who wasn't disiplined, he got arrested breaking into houses among other things, which to me is alot worse.

Now if stealing some tapes and comics, and learning pretty much right off that that was wrong so I headed down a different path makes me irredemable!?!

**** it, I'm irredemable!

I make it a point not to pick fights here, as yes it is a discusion forum, I have two threads running right now about how that type of attitude is counter productive here.

Still I'm responding to YOU calling me out, and chimming in on other peoples comments saying how you are APPALLED by me without knowing me, and that I'm hate filled, angry, shouldn't give advice to anyone about this topic, and so on...

Those are strong statements that will, yes, make me angry now, if I wasn't before.

Instead of tapping my shoulder and asking why I feel or think that way, you made a number of assumptions about me, and when I rebuttled them, you did stoop as low as to knock something as insignificant as my avatar Which if you knew how I got into skulls, you'd know it's so far from sinister it's not even funny!

But again, your assuming without knowing or asking!

So re-reason all you want, I still stand by my ideas, and if you disagree thats your right. If every parent here feels the same, so be it. It still doesn't change the fact that I have countless children look up to me with bright eyes and smiles, even though they all know my horrific, terrifing, ways of dealing with kids.

Hell lets put you in front of a class and see how quick you review this thread!

But once again(and this time I mean it) I'm done here. Say and do whatever you want about me, it doesn't matter, I have more important things to worry about, I'm done with this.

Should you want to try and continue this, feel free to PM me, because I do agree with some of the staments in between our interactions, my personal life does not belong here. If it did, you'd all be calling me Dave and not Liege Evilmus.

Ya, War_On_Errorism I hate those kids, I predicted to my Gf the other day that in a few years, there will be a massive outbreak of a syndrome, they will call it skate shoe elbow, all those young kids expecting there parents to drag them through the store instead of walking.

They are always pushing the carts, and those kids are hanging off them like parasites.

The thing I hate the most is the kids using the shoes in inappropriate setting, parking lot, banks(when I was little the bank was a fancy place where you behaved), in store aisles where they can not see around the corner.

Then they look at you like what the hell, I am 6’8 and they miss me, from now on if there is a kid that is going to hit me I have made the rule that I am just going to let them and watch them bounce off.

Also, at Chucky cheese once with my nephews, I was playing the Ninja Turtle arcade game, the old one and I had not played it since college at some point a CiCis pizza place had Turtles in Time, this kid that was not even to my knee was trying to push me and my nephew off the game as we were playing.

I know how bad this is my sister has one of those gangs, she beat them and the social services here just took them from her put them in 2 different foster homes. My mom is trying to sue for them to actually have custody and raise them, my mom is a teacher, and they will not let the kids out of the system.

It is the parents and the government that has let it go to hell, they will take neglected animals away from people faster then they will take a kid from unfit parents.

Back on topic, when the kids are old enough to understand I just talk about them, once this loud annoying kid kept yelling I just kept talking about how annoying he was out loud to my gf until he finally got upset and stopped, that is the only thing kids understand now is fear and embarrassment, they do not have any concept or right or wrong, like we did.

Liege Evilmus wrote:This will be my last post here as, Yes this is getting to personal.

So I simply say, I would have been fine to leave everything as is, I don't pick fights, but when called out, I do respond.

You as I said, you do not know me, yet you still did mock me.

So civily I ask, you know some of the things I do for society, you also know know that I made some mistakes and learned and grew from them inproving myself in the process.

So I ask YOU, what have you done? I'm not saying you should be doing what I do, not everyone can. But when was the last time you got off your high horse and did anything charitable for nothing other than the sake of charity?

Hell, and this is TO EVERYONE READING THIS, winter is coming and someone out there could use last years coat. Drop it in a box, instaed of letting it rot in your closet.

I'm sure you'll fault me for this to, but it's the right thing to do so I do not care

I don't take well to personal insults or attacks, and when you resort to something as foolish as basing you oppinion of me on my avatar, while you yourself offer THE FALLEN with a sig "Necks Broken and Checks Cashed", well you and this whole discussion fall to a level beneith me.

So once again, Good Day To You, I'm done here.

not judging u in any way, and i respect you for all the charity u do, but its CHARITY, not something u do and show off.if you really did it with a sincere heart, which i am not saying u didnt or did, but if u did u shouldnt have to use it as a way to defend yourself. as long as you know you've done these good things, you shouldn't let other people's comments get to you, and when u list everything you've done like that it makes it seem everytime u do something u memorize it to tell other people. but back to the point i think there better ways to handle children than hitting them. or at the most maybe one good spanking, i remember when i was young i never really got spanked, maybe at the most once a year, but from then on if i even started to misbehave my mom would give me a look, and i knew what that meant, so i would immediately stop, but she didnt it in a way that it wasnt JUST about the fear, she just gave me the look to stop me while still out in public, but once back home she would explain to me why i shouldnt do what i did. also setting goals is good, i would get stuff all year round, i was kinda spoiled, but i would also get an even bigger prize for my grades, my moms job gave her 200 dollar gift certificates, and she could choose from a list of stores, usually this was once a year and around grade time, if i was good she would get the certificate for KB toys, and it was all mine, and back then 200 was a huge toy shopping spree for me

Noone answered my question. What legal action can you take if a kid is assaulting you in a store? If you smack a kid you go to jail, so what if the kids smacking you?

and I don't see anyone advocating extreme violence in this thread. There is a HUGE difference between putting a kid over your knee and spanking his butt, and punching a kid in the mouth and throwing his across the room.

One is a spanking, the other is just beating the sh*t out of a little kid. I can't even begin to understand why it's such an issue. There's nothing wrong with giving your own child a spanking on the butt if they truly deserve it. There is something very wrong with beating the living hell out of your child because you're frustrated/angry/drunk whatever.

A spanking isn't child abuse. Child ABUSE is child abuse.

But anyway, if some little **** comes up and kicks me in the shin because I'm holding the one toy he wants, I'm supposed to what? Pat him on the head, give him the toy and wish him well on his way? That's bullsh*t.

Malikon wrote:Noone answered my question. What legal action can you take if a kid is assaulting you in a store? If you smack a kid you go to jail, so what if the kids smacking you?

I would highly doubt you would have any luck legally, whether it be with police or security.

People just assume that because it is a kid, the act has no malice behind it.

Liege Evilmus wrote:Instead of tapping my shoulder and asking why I feel or think that way, you made a number of assumptions about me, and when I rebuttled them, you did stoop as low as to knock something as insignificant as my avatar Which if you knew how I got into skulls, you'd know it's so far from sinister it's not even funny!

Holy crap, this probably belongs in a PM but I cant help myself but try and straighten you out.

REREAD MY STATEMENT ABOUT YOUR AVATAR, I DID NOT SAY I WAS JUDGING YOU ON YOUR BLOODY AVATAR! What I implied was that it was ridiculous to judge someone by their avatar, my comment was that posters can only be judged on their posts.

This is the SECOND time I have explained this. Please catch up.

Regardless, if you think that plastering your good deeds all over this thread somehow excuses your mindset of fear=parenting than I cant be bothered to debate you.

Malikon wrote:Noone answered my question. What legal action can you take if a kid is assaulting you in a store? If you smack a kid you go to jail, so what if the kids smacking you?

and I don't see anyone advocating extreme violence in this thread. There is a HUGE difference between putting a kid over your knee and spanking his butt, and punching a kid in the mouth and throwing his across the room.

One is a spanking, the other is just beating the sh*t out of a little kid. I can't even begin to understand why it's such an issue. There's nothing wrong with giving your own child a spanking on the butt if they truly deserve it. There is something very wrong with beating the living hell out of your child because you're frustrated/angry/drunk whatever.

A spanking isn't child abuse. Child ABUSE is child abuse.

But anyway, if some little **** comes up and kicks me in the shin because I'm holding the one toy he wants, I'm supposed to what? Pat him on the head, give him the toy and wish him well on his way? That's bullsh*t.

thats true, i think parents have the right to spank their kids when they deserve it, but i think constant spanking isnt neccesary, i think that if the parents are doing their job right it could be something that is done every once in a while, but not constant over and over, if they're doing their job right there should be no need for it, maybe once or twice or even three times, combined with talks, and they shouldnt be much problem, as for your question i'm not sure, maybe if you complain to the store the parent and child could be kicked out of the store, but i think maybe there is, idk, but a law where parents could get tickets or some sort of punishment for their child assaulting other people, that would get all lazy parents to act, and finally about what if i little kid attacked u, if they're small they tend to have short legs, i think it would be easy to dodge and if u see them picking up something to throw, just walk out the aisle, they're children, u dont need to have a discussion with them, just maybe tell them to calm down, they dont want to then maybe just avoid the situation and leave, maybe make a comment to the parent that their child was bothering you in some way, if u want, might not work, most parents think their children are angels

Yeah I know what you mean about that, "My child's an angel" syndrome. They're usually saying this while the kids in the backyard raping the cat and setting it on fire.

"Not MY boy, he's an ANNNNGGEELLLL!!"

Malikon wrote:Noone answered my question. What legal action can you take if a kid is assaulting you in a store? If you smack a kid you go to jail, so what if the kids smacking you?
If some little **** comes up and kicks me in the shin because I'm holding the one toy he wants, I'm supposed to what? Pat him on the head, give him the toy and wish him well on his way? That's bullsh*t.

If there's actual physical pain and/or damage...you can't really hold it against the kid, not legally, but you can sue the parents. Sue them 'til their wallet bleeds.

It doesn't matter what the age is, no one and I mean no one is to put their hands on another person in the legal world. It's a personal offense and is punishable.

Heh, never had a kid throw something at me. How old was he? 8-10?

I would have gone straight for the parent, in this case, the mother. Not physically, mind you, but verbally. I would have told her harshly to take control of her kid and get that little demon away from me now, or legal action will be taken against her for neglect, and allowing her so called angel go on a rampage and causing bodily injury. If she failed to comply, throw Leader Class Brawl, package and all at the little f*cker, and then leave. Simple as that. I mean let him have it if he want's it that badly. But really let him have it if you know what I mean. Once a kid throws the first punch, or goes on an attack, the gloves are off. Just tell the judge (if it comes to that) that you only acted on self defense because the parent was too retarded to do his/her job and control the little snot.

You should have said nothing to the little brat though. When he made his damands, just say, "Sorry kid, that's life", and walk away to the registers. I've done that before, but only to little brats that think they can tell me-a grown up-what to do.

Lol Ya when the little kid said how bad he "wanted" the brawl u should have told him, "Look kid there are thousands of soldiers that dont WANT to go to Iraq but they cant get out of it by throwing a fit... How does it feel to "want" u little brat!!

Deceptiwho? wrote:Lol Ya when the little kid said how bad he "wanted" the brawl u should have told him, "Look kid there are thousands of soldiers that dont WANT to go to Iraq but they cant get out of it by throwing a fit... How does it feel to "want" u little brat!!

That may just be a wee bit too close to the bone man, i mean, that said kids father could be in Iraq for all you know. I'm not getting on your back or anything, I'm just remonstrating that comment would most likely be ill-advised and offensive given its subject matter.

Put in that situation, i would have asked the kid if he had the bucks needed for the figure, more than likely the answer would be no, my response: 'yoink' before prancing off to the cashier. If his answer is yes and he uncovers a wad of birthday cash?......well.....then i would most likely swear inside my head and consider the toy throwing method.

Mods/Admins will be here shortly to take care of, *ahem*, some misbehaving board members.

Almost seems ironic in a thread talking about unruly children, doesn't it?

Fender Bender wrote:Mods/Admins will be here shortly to take care of, *ahem*, some misbehaving board members.

Almost seems ironic in a thread talking about unruly children, doesn't it?

Ya! You all play nice or the news people will snitch on you!

I suggest a good scourging. If it's good enough for Jesus, it's certainly good enough for brats.

Super Megatron wrote:I suggest a good scourging. If it's good enough for Jesus, it's certainly good enough for brats.

**** you. Idiot. How dare you mock what happened to Jesus and suggest such a thing be done to children.

Toyotus Superion wrote:

Super Megatron wrote:I suggest a good scourging. If it's good enough for Jesus, it's certainly good enough for brats.

**** you. Idiot. How dare you mock what happened to Jesus and suggest such a thing be done to children.

No need to start anymore flames here, guys.


Liege Evilmus and Sid Burn,

You two need to calm down, now. If you guys are having issues with another member, it's encouranged to inform a mod about so it can be worked out privatly. That way we avoid the all out derailments to allow a personal fued to hijack a thread. It'll all end in locked threads and higher blood pressure, I assure you.

Now please try to be civil in your conversations. Even in debate there's something called Tact, and Super Megatron that was definatly not it.



Liege Evilmus and Sid Burn, you will both recieve warnings.