The Energon Pub

kirbenvost wrote:I'm okay with the delay, as long as it doesn't turn into a cancellation. I guess we were hoping for too much when we though Hasbro could be smart enough to release both Age of Extinction and classics-styled figures under the Generations line at the same time. Oh well, saves me money for several months at least. I can put all that savings into an MP Ultra Magnus fund.

I echo your comments, in the meantime it will just make it that much easier to afford Masterpiece Prowl, and maybe try to catch up on a few other items I missed. I have decided to skip on most of the movie stuff as well.

Arcee

Hopefully we'll see her later in the year. She's the one mainline figure I was looking forward to!

Slag i was hoping to reunite Clutch and Road Rage, not to mention replace the broken Skids mold with the ONE figure Hasbro says "Dont hold your breath for.

Guess I need to resort to drastic measures for Whirl too.

This sorta makes sense to me, the Tankor and Rattrap wave was supposed to hit this month but with stores going bare for AOE in May it didn't feel right. I'm just surprised that they were moved to June as that should still be prime movie line time. Heck if you're a MU and Black fan June is going to be big for you.

Hasbro must really "not-want" our money. First shelfwarmers crap, then "simplified versions" (a.k.a oversized legends) that almost no one wants, now cancelling/delaying the real good stuff.

I think it's time to change hobby...

Mkall wrote:Dear Hasbro:

Piss off...

Sure, because of what Hasbro owes you. It couldn't have been necessary for business, logistical, production or other reasons, it's because they're out to get you. It couldn't be disappointing to the designers who pored over the design of the toys, looking at probably every fictional rendition of each character trying to create the right look, or to Hasbro itself for having invested the money, time and resources and not being able to realise that investment yet, or indeed for Hasbro to have an opportunity to take your money right now. No, it's just about you and what you want, nay, expect, and that Hasbro did this deliberately, to you, by not releasing a set of toys just yet.

Yes, it's disappointing, but the level of entitlement - and maturity - here in this thread is at Kardashian level.

Hasbro isn't going anywhere. So if you really mean it, and you aren't just posing, posturing, and puffing out your chest, give up Transformers and get rid of your figures. That'll learn them. You're all upset and angry and everything, but you won't actually do anything about it. So, how about you skip right to the end part where your minor little tantrum has blown over and turned into acceptance?

I, honestly, am not surprised. I'd bet good money that these waves are cancelled, not because Hasbro is being malicious, but because retailers opted to order more cases of movie toys to fill their shelves, and little to no orders of Generations toys. Like them or not, the Bayformers movies move product like nobody's business, in addition to all the money the films make at the box office. Retailers know that movie stuff sells, so they want to fill their space with as much of it as they can to satisfy demand. The 4 or 6 pegs and 18 inch section of shelf that Generations take up is valuable space and they don't need to be filling it with figures that sell at a slower pace when they've got something hot on their hands.

To all ye of little faith, I'd like to remind you that we are not the primary buying audience of Transformers, and we should yield to the child audience during peak periods like this. Hasbro will try to put the figures out once the movie line calms down. Until then, if you are not a fan of movie toys, explore other options. Enjoy some of the figures you already own. See if you can find an older figure you missed out on somewhere. Buy some third party stuff, or some Masterpiece stuff. Try a different toyline. Buy some Kreons. There's a wealth of things you can do while you wait six months or so for Hasbro to be able to sell retailers on the next Generations figures, so just be patient.

ZackRoyer wrote:Hasbro must really "not-want" our money. First shelfwarmers crap, then "simplified versions" (a.k.a oversized legends) that almost no one wants, now cancelling/delaying the real good stuff.

I think it's time to change hobby...

It's not (all) Hasbro's call though. They make and sell this stuff, but if Walmart ain't buying, and Target ain't buying, then they can't really do anything about it, and they can't undersell their suppliers online, nor are they equipped to do so

Told you. They're high-quality figures of obscure, only-known-to-the-fans characters scheduled for the spring before a movie. They're just asking to get glutted out by the quintillions of Movie Bumblebees.

ZackRoyer wrote:Hasbro must really "not-want" our money. First shelfwarmers crap, then "simplified versions" (a.k.a oversized legends) that almost no one wants, now cancelling/delaying the real good stuff.

I think it's time to change hobby...

By all means, change hobbies. You won't be missed.

That Bot wrote:To all ye of little faith, I'd like to remind you that we are not the primary buying audience of Transformers, and we should yield to the child audience during peak periods like this. Hasbro will try to put the figures out once the movie line calms down. Until then, if you are not a fan of movie toys, explore other options. Enjoy some of the figures you already own. See if you can find an older figure you missed out on somewhere. Buy some third party stuff, or some Masterpiece stuff. Try a different toyline. Buy some Kreons. There's a wealth of things you can do while you wait six months or so for Hasbro to be able to sell retailers on the next Generations figures, so just be patient.

Well said. Movie toys are the grease that spin the Generations wheels. Patience will pay off.

Deathsanras wrote:

Mkall wrote:Dear Hasbro:

Piss off...

Sure, because of what Hasbro owes you. It couldn't have been necessary for business, logistical, production or other reasons, it's because they're out to get you. It couldn't be disappointing to the designers who pored over the design of the toys, looking at probably every fictional rendition of each character trying to create the right look, or to Hasbro itself for having invested the money, time and resources and not being able to realise that investment yet, or indeed for Hasbro to have an opportunity to take your money right now. No, it's just about you and what you want, nay, expect, and that Hasbro did this deliberately, to you, by not releasing a set of toys just yet.

Yes, it's disappointing, but the level of entitlement - and maturity - here in this thread is at Kardashian level.

Hasbro isn't going anywhere. So if you really mean it, and you aren't just posing, posturing, and puffing out your chest, give up Transformers and get rid of your figures. That'll learn them. You're all upset and angry and everything, but you won't actually do anything about it. So, how about you skip right to the end part where your minor little tantrum has blown over and turned into acceptance?

yeah dude.. cause none of us have invested a TON of money into this franchise.. ARE YOU SERIOUS?.. of course we should feel like we have some entitlement.. we're the reason they're able to make money in the first place.. hell.. some of us on here have stuck with this brand for 30 years.. you don't think that that is going to make us feel a bit entitled?.. maybe it's time to look in the mirror before you start spouting about maturity.

also.. this isn't the first time something like this has happened.. look at ALL of the figures that they've made, that people want, but can't get because hasbro has failed.

animated thundercracker, blackout, hydro bumblebee, wingblade prime..
dotm human alliance soundwave, deluxe soundwave, deluxe wheeljack.. and their repaints..
tf prime voyager breakdown, deluxe jet vehicon, deluxe jet vehicon general.. the fiasco with the first edition figures which wound up being widely released WELL after they were supposed to.
and now.. these generations figures.

this is a TERRIBLE trend.. and it's unacceptable. us fans have had to put up with figures getting smaller, simpler, less paint applications, flat out wrong colors, terrible exclusives, horrible distribution, etc.. the least they could do is get these things on the shelves.

i mean.. how long ahead of time is this crap planned out?.. something like this should NEVER happen, yet it seems to happen OVER AND OVER AND OVER again. i mean, seriously, they can't look at trends?.. voyager rhinox was supposed to be out much earlier this year, yet rather than doing that, they decided to throw a voyager revision wave in and ruin everything.

stores in my area can't keep generations deluxe figures on the pegs for very long.. i've only seen three mini con teams sitting on the pegs for more than a week. it's ridiculous.

so, since you don't think it's a big deal.. and feel the need to belittle other people because they do, maybe you should get out of this fan base rather than the people who are upset about this.

this is an awful trend hasbro has gotten into.. and there are easy solutions.. which is probably why people are angry.

anyways.. this totally sucks, and i can see this happening with the movie figures.. but hopefully it doesn't since the first wave of deluxes seems to be broken up pretty good.. so hopefully it'll end and they'll figure their **** out.

megatronus wrote:

ZackRoyer wrote:Hasbro must really "not-want" our money. First shelfwarmers crap, then "simplified versions" (a.k.a oversized legends) that almost no one wants, now cancelling/delaying the real good stuff.

I think it's time to change hobby...

By all means, change hobbies. You won't be missed.

really dude?

why can't people get it through their heads that this is ridiculous?.. i'm glad we don't live in a world where everyone has to be happy/content with everything.

how is it that stuff like this RARELY happens with takara when it comes to transformers?.. why is that? they never seem to have to cancel a bunch of figures like hasbro does..

i mean.. like i said above.. we have to deal with figures getting smaller, less paint, wrong colors, simpler transformations (which i believe has more to do with money than it does with pleasing little kids).. yet, they produce really nice looking figures BUT NEVER RELEASE THEM.. so now newer toys have to suffer because they couldn't make any money on molds that they've made but never released.. i'm sorry, but if you don't find that ridiculous, there's something wrong here.

and i'm not going to change hobbies because i love this hobby.. which is EXACTLY the reason people are so irked by this.

All I can say is: "But why?! My TRU FINALLY just got rid of DoTM stuff, but these Generations Deluxes have ZERO difficulty selling. I mean, for real. I was lucky to get Waspinator when I did."

See the above? your Generations case assortments were strapped to the explosive charge, and Bay just pushed the detonator.

Bend over Generations fans. Bay just *ucked you.

I see they didn't mention the Jhiaxus, Nightbeat, and Windblade wave. Cancelled as well, I assume?

shockblast2 wrote:I see they didn't mention the Jhiaxus, Nightbeat, and Windblade wave. Cancelled as well, I assume?

I was about to ask that, but they should still be scheduled later, until after the initial movie craze, like the rest of the postponed, delayed and held back figures. >:oP

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

shockblast2 wrote:I see they didn't mention the Jhiaxus, Nightbeat, and Windblade wave. Cancelled as well, I assume?

I was about to ask that, but they should still be scheduled later, until after the initial movie craze, like the rest of the postponed, delayed and held back figures. >:oP

I figured as much. Now lets see if the other shoe is going to drop.

The Generations legends line and the Voyagers. Because I can't see them sharing shelf space with AOE stuff with the Deluxes being cancelled.

shockblast2 wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

shockblast2 wrote:I see they didn't mention the Jhiaxus, Nightbeat, and Windblade wave. Cancelled as well, I assume?

I was about to ask that, but they should still be scheduled later, until after the initial movie craze, like the rest of the postponed, delayed and held back figures. >:oP

I figured as much. Now lets see if the other shoe is going to drop.

The Generations legends line and the Voyagers. Because I can't see them sharing shelf space with AOE stuff with the Deluxes being cancelled.

Again, after the initial movie craze. We haven't had any clues, hints or allusions to them being released at an earlier date.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

shockblast2 wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

shockblast2 wrote:I see they didn't mention the Jhiaxus, Nightbeat, and Windblade wave. Cancelled as well, I assume?

I was about to ask that, but they should still be scheduled later, until after the initial movie craze, like the rest of the postponed, delayed and held back figures. >:oP

I figured as much. Now lets see if the other shoe is going to drop.

The Generations legends line and the Voyagers. Because I can't see them sharing shelf space with AOE stuff with the Deluxes being cancelled.

Again, after the initial movie craze. We haven't had any clues, hints or allusions to them being released at an earlier date.

Earlier date? Not sure about the Voyagers, but the Cosmos and Swerve figures were supposed to be release in OCT13, then APR14. We assume this will stick at this point, but what is this based on? BBTS preorders? They are fickle. They still have the Tankor and Rattrap release scheduled in June, which is a lie, because there is no way the AOE line will be close to being over by then. The AOE stuff will still be selling by Christmas for the DVD release. Maybe in 2015 we will see these, but who knows. For a set of figures that is suppoed to be released "late April" I don't see any evidence of this anywhere. You would think HTS would have listings up at this point with "coming soon "designations like they usually do.

These would have been possibly my last TF purchases ever as even my children have lost interest in this toyline in favor of the TMNT line. And now, I am not sure if I want to hold out for them.

Oh joy, more fuel for the movie toys haters to flame the movie toys. >:oP

I'm going to join JelZe's campaign.

DELAYED, not cancelled.

Va'al wrote:I'm going to join JelZe's campaign.

DELAYED, not cancelled.

Yeah, it's just the waves that canceled, not the figures within the waves.

TimothyR wrote:maybe it's time to look in the mirror before you start spouting about maturity.

Oh, irony. :lol: :lol: :lol:

TimothyR wrote:also.. this isn't the first time something like this has happened.. look at ALL of the figures that they've made, that people want, but can't get because hasbro has failed.

i mean.. how long ahead of time is this crap planned out?.. something like this should NEVER happen, yet it seems to happen OVER AND OVER AND OVER again. i mean, seriously, they can't look at trends?.. voyager rhinox was supposed to be out much earlier this year, yet rather than doing that, they decided to throw a voyager revision wave in and ruin everything

These things are planned out a long time in advance. But the situation on the ground is constantly changing. That's just the reality sometimes. And if you can't understand that Hasbro wants to make money as much as we want the figures, and that they are not the only folks making decisions along the supply chain, I don't know what to tell you.

TimothyR wrote:so, since you don't think it's a big deal.. and feel the need to belittle other people because they do, maybe you should get out of this fan base rather than the people who are upset about this.

Yes, the patient folks with complex understandings of business realities should get out of the hobby... not the petulant time bombs that throw fits every time a piece of disappointing news hits the fandom. Great. >:oP

TimothyR wrote:this is an awful trend hasbro has gotten into.. and there are easy solutions.. which is probably why people are angry.

By all means. What are the "easy solutions?"

TimothyR wrote:why can't people get it through their heads that this is ridiculous?.. i'm glad we don't live in a world where everyone has to be happy/content with everything.

I'm glad I live in a world where at least some folks understand that throwing a hissy fit isn't going to solve anything.

TimothyR wrote:how is it that stuff like this RARELY happens with takara when it comes to transformers?.. why is that? they never seem to have to cancel a bunch of figures like hasbro does..

i mean.. like i said above.. we have to deal with figures getting smaller, less paint, wrong colors, simpler transformations (which i believe has more to do with money than it does with pleasing little kids).. yet, they produce really nice looking figures BUT NEVER RELEASE THEM.. so now newer toys have to suffer because they couldn't make any money on molds that they've made but never released.. i'm sorry, but if you don't find that ridiculous, there's something wrong here.

These newer waves were cancelled, but the figures were not. They'll be released eventually. Retailers are making room for the movie toys. Guess what line makes the most money, and gives Hasbro the funds to give collectors Generations figures? You guessed it. The movie line.

Takara releases the same figures... so YES, they have had to deal with smaller figures, too. Plus, have you noticed that Hasbro and Takara release figures on different schedules? I don't see Takara's Skids anywhere. Or Dreadwing. Or Doubledealer. That's been the case for a long time. But they'll probably see those figures eventually. Just like we'll probably see the figures in the cancelled waves once the movie craze dies down.

TimothyR wrote:and i'm not going to change hobbies because i love this hobby.. which is EXACTLY the reason people are so irked by this.

For someone who loves the hobby, you seem to have very little understanding, or desire to understand, WHY something like this might happen. You just seem to want to pull a Bay:

Sabrblade wrote:

Va'al wrote:I'm going to join JelZe's campaign.

DELAYED, not cancelled.

Yeah, it's just the waves that canceled, not the figures within the waves.

Yes, and that is the problem. Why should a consumer reward a business with bad customer relations with more business? That is what I asked myself when reading this. Hasbro has become insanely flaky when it comes to promising product in the last few years. And recently it has gotten way out of hand. That is not the way to treat consumers and expect repeat business. But that is not the only problem.

Their product quality and prices points are totally unreasonable. Again, even my children have lost interest simply because these figures that target their age group are very dark and evil looking. And they have a very strange recent fascination with dragons, which is mind boggling. The only line they care about at this point are the Rescue Bots, and after the recent releases that has faded. I can't even get my children to play with them anymore, simply because there are other lines out there with much better product. A fine example is Playmates TMNT line. They have excellent figures with great quality and their price points are awesome for the parents who pay for them. Even the cartoon is much better than the Prime series ever was.

Bottom line is this, you cannot screw over your customers if you want repeat business. It seems Hasbro is putting all their eggs in one basket with this AOE line. I am the ONLY one left in my household that cares about this line. And now, I don't care any more. I really don't care if they ever release any of the "delayed" figures. Because by the time they do I will have moved on. And I am sure I am not the only one who thinks this way. As a matter of fact, some of you seem downright pissed off. I am not, because I can take it or leave it. And at this point I do not see any purpose in following the brand until next year, if I care by then. The only things I see myself buying going forward are the Kreon blind packs, and that is if I do not grow weary of trying to get them at TRU. And they are flaky anyhow when it comes to stocking them now, let alone when they are the only retailer carrying them.

megatronus wrote:

TimothyR wrote:maybe it's time to look in the mirror before you start spouting about maturity.

Oh, irony. :lol: :lol: :lol:

TimothyR wrote:also.. this isn't the first time something like this has happened.. look at ALL of the figures that they've made, that people want, but can't get because hasbro has failed.

i mean.. how long ahead of time is this crap planned out?.. something like this should NEVER happen, yet it seems to happen OVER AND OVER AND OVER again. i mean, seriously, they can't look at trends?.. voyager rhinox was supposed to be out much earlier this year, yet rather than doing that, they decided to throw a voyager revision wave in and ruin everything

These things are planned out a long time in advance. But the situation on the ground is constantly changing. That's just the reality sometimes. And if you can't understand that Hasbro wants to make money as much as we want the figures, and that they are not the only folks making decisions along the supply chain, I don't know what to tell you.

TimothyR wrote:so, since you don't think it's a big deal.. and feel the need to belittle other people because they do, maybe you should get out of this fan base rather than the people who are upset about this.

Yes, the patient folks with complex understandings of business realities should get out of the hobby... not the petulant time bombs that throw fits every time a piece of disappointing news hits the fandom. Great. >:oP

TimothyR wrote:this is an awful trend hasbro has gotten into.. and there are easy solutions.. which is probably why people are angry.

By all means. What are the "easy solutions?"

TimothyR wrote:why can't people get it through their heads that this is ridiculous?.. i'm glad we don't live in a world where everyone has to be happy/content with everything.

I'm glad I live in a world where at least some folks understand that throwing a hissy fit isn't going to solve anything.

TimothyR wrote:how is it that stuff like this RARELY happens with takara when it comes to transformers?.. why is that? they never seem to have to cancel a bunch of figures like hasbro does..

i mean.. like i said above.. we have to deal with figures getting smaller, less paint, wrong colors, simpler transformations (which i believe has more to do with money than it does with pleasing little kids).. yet, they produce really nice looking figures BUT NEVER RELEASE THEM.. so now newer toys have to suffer because they couldn't make any money on molds that they've made but never released.. i'm sorry, but if you don't find that ridiculous, there's something wrong here.

These newer waves were cancelled, but the figures were not. They'll be released eventually. Retailers are making room for the movie toys. Guess what line makes the most money, and gives Hasbro the funds to give collectors Generations figures? You guessed it. The movie line.

Takara releases the same figures... so YES, they have had to deal with smaller figures, too. Plus, have you noticed that Hasbro and Takara release figures on different schedules? I don't see Takara's Skids anywhere. Or Dreadwing. Or Doubledealer. That's been the case for a long time. But they'll probably see those figures eventually. Just like we'll probably see the figures in the cancelled waves once the movie craze dies down.

TimothyR wrote:and i'm not going to change hobbies because i love this hobby.. which is EXACTLY the reason people are so irked by this.

For someone who loves the hobby, you seem to have very little understanding, or desire to understand, WHY something like this might happen. You just seem to want to pull a Bay:

Please....just....don't.

Why is it grown men are the only ones arguing and cutting down others over stupid toys?