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I like the look of Warpath but ... I like my minibots to be mini.

Burn wrote:I like the look of Warpath but ... I like my minibots to be mini.

He is at least still shorter than the average Deluxe, being smaller than Sunstreaker.

Isn't this size accurate though? I can't remember him being the height of prowl and co.

Sabrblade wrote:

Burn wrote:I like the look of Warpath but ... I like my minibots to be mini.

He is at least still shorter than the average Deluxe, being smaller than Sunstreaker.

Mini ... and for once, JUST ONCE, stop trying to make it sound like my opinion is wrong and you need to correct it.

Burn wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Burn wrote:I like the look of Warpath but ... I like my minibots to be mini.

He is at least still shorter than the average Deluxe, being smaller than Sunstreaker.

Mini ... and for once, JUST ONCE, stop trying to make it sound like my opinion is wrong and you need to correct it.

Yeah they really goofed on his size. To me this Warpath is clearly a deluxe!

So some thoughts on the repaint of this mold?

Nemesis Destron wrote:So some thoughts on the repaint of this mold?

Just give him a random camo repaint.

Nemesis Destron wrote:So some thoughts on the repaint of this mold?

A use for a hypothetical pretooled head:


Transformers G1 1990 Gutcruncher with Stratotronic Jet Gallery

And it's been done before:

Warpath - I'm undecided about this version. I might get him, I might not. I don't like the white on him though. They should have done grey or black.

Blackarachnia. I'm digging this design. For a deluxe toy I think it looks good.

The Arc - I need to see what it does. It would be great if it transformered into an Omega Supreme-esk robot like in animated. If it's just a playset, I'm not sure I'll buy.

I was thinking we'd get BlackZarak as the eacrthrise Titan since they gave us the repaint of his sidekick spear. Although I guess that leaves us open for a selects version of him.

My bet for a Warpath redeco: Treds, from that E-Hobby GoBots Minibots pack, to go with Bug Bite.

I will open up my Generations Warpath, it is better.

DMSL wrote:I will open up my Generations Warpath, it is better.

As a figure in-of-itself for sure if we only go by looks alone. (since Kingdom Warpath isn't out we can't really judge his playability value yet)

But as an accurate Warpath? Nah that mold isn't good at all since it's way too big, turns into an ugly tank that looks little like Warpath, the head sculpt is really weirdly shaped by being a tad too angular and ends up looking less like Warpath, he also has shoulder missiles which old Warpath didn't have.

It's a good figure it just doesn't properly update Warpath, it modernizes him but to the point where Generations Warpath is just a Bayverse figure in disguise heck he even has one of movie Brawl's shoulder missiles.

I'm glad we have Kingdom Warpath for a true update to the original design, now people have two different Warpaths for whatever collection they have instead of trying to shoe-horn one into a collection the figure doesn't fit in.

So, warpath feels like a mixed bag to me. I like the color. I like the tank mode. The robot mode, it doesn't look bad, but i dig the look of the chug version more. Cartoon accuracy was never my priority from the start anyway. The size, i am glad he is not mini actually, but i hoped they would go full deluxe. That is not unacceptable compromise tho. So i am still undecided. Probably gonna wait for another, more proper review after this guy is properly released.

Burn wrote:I like the look of Warpath but ... I like my minibots to be mini.

Yeah, I have all the Minibots in legends size that were released so it's very hard to convince myself to either double dip or swap out. Maybe if they all get released in the next couple of lines, I get them all at once. It would be weird to have some of them as legends and some as deluxes.

Nemesis Destron wrote:

Burn wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Burn wrote:I like the look of Warpath but ... I like my minibots to be mini.

He is at least still shorter than the average Deluxe, being smaller than Sunstreaker.

Mini ... and for once, JUST ONCE, stop trying to make it sound like my opinion is wrong and you need to correct it.

Yeah they really goofed on his size. To me this Warpath is clearly a deluxe!

So some thoughts on the repaint of this mold?

He wasn't really that small on the show, which is what he's based on. I would've liked it if he was Hoist sized, but this is good enough.

As far as the repaints, I mean, there's G2 Warpath. That's definitely in play with the other Selects G2s.

sol magnus wrote:

Nemesis Destron wrote:

Burn wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Burn wrote:I like the look of Warpath but ... I like my minibots to be mini.

He is at least still shorter than the average Deluxe, being smaller than Sunstreaker.

Mini ... and for once, JUST ONCE, stop trying to make it sound like my opinion is wrong and you need to correct it.

Yeah they really goofed on his size. To me this Warpath is clearly a deluxe!

So some thoughts on the repaint of this mold?

He wasn't really that small on the show, which is what he's based on. I would've liked it if he was Hoist sized, but this is good enough.

As far as the repaints, I mean, there's G2 Warpath. That's definitely in play with the other Selects G2s.

there was no g2 warpath though, i think your thinking of the gobot repaint treds

skycutter wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

Nemesis Destron wrote:

Burn wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Burn wrote:I like the look of Warpath but ... I like my minibots to be mini.

He is at least still shorter than the average Deluxe, being smaller than Sunstreaker.

Mini ... and for once, JUST ONCE, stop trying to make it sound like my opinion is wrong and you need to correct it.

Yeah they really goofed on his size. To me this Warpath is clearly a deluxe!

So some thoughts on the repaint of this mold?

He wasn't really that small on the show, which is what he's based on. I would've liked it if he was Hoist sized, but this is good enough.

As far as the repaints, I mean, there's G2 Warpath. That's definitely in play with the other Selects G2s.

there was no g2 warpath though, i think your thinking of the gobot repaint treds

I guess so.

Screen accuracy isn't important to me either. I like how Gen Warpath looks more. Maybe this beats in in tank mode by a bit, but not enough to buy a new Warpath.

If they make it into Treads maybe Bugbite will get a friend.

i'm definitely getting him, even gonna hit up shapeways for suitable weapons to arm him to the teeth, but what i wanna know the most, is where in the pits of kaon is this guy GETTING these figures? i need the source!

Draco_Magnus wrote:i'm definitely getting him, even gonna hit up shapeways for suitable weapons to arm him to the teeth, but what i wanna know the most, is where in the pits of kaon is this guy GETTING these figures? i need the source!

Factory theft or being gifted/buying from someone who has committed factory theft.

i'm DEFINITELY getting him, and hitting up shapeways to arm him to the teeth with suitable weaponry. the thing i wanna know the most is, "where in the pits of kaon is this guy even GETTING his kingdom figures, when i can't even find them via ANY retailers?"

As said, these are coming from the factory itself. In our first look at Cheetor there was about 7 of them. You won't be buying these in stores till December at the earliest (assuming Hasbro are keeping to their plans)

blackeyedprime wrote:*forearm kibble must do something...hoping it does anyway.

The forearm kibble is actually accurate to the G1 cartoon model.

I do wonder if this isn't a finalized sample, though. Seems like Warpath needs some red on the white abdomen with an Autobot symbol on it. That would complete the G1 cartoon look perfectly. Similarly, I wonder if we're not missing a few paint apps on the leaked Rattrap, Cheetor, and Blackarachnia figures. They seem a bit sparse in that department, compared to the extensive paint jobs some other figures in Siege and Earthrise have received in the past two years.

For anyone scratching their heads about the size of Kingdom Warpath, he was depicted very inconsistently in the cartoon. Sometimes he was about as tall as the regular Autobot cars like Prowl. Other times, he was only as tall as the Minibots like Tailgate and Swerve. (He was never as tall as Moist Hoist, though.) No one is right and no one is wrong either. Powerglide, another Season 2/1985 Minibot had similar scaling issues on the show. Heck, sometimes he's barely taller than his human girlfriend!

Speaking of Powerglide, now that we have a Deluxe Class Warpath, we need Powerglide too! PotP Beachcomber and TR Seaspray are fine as-is, but I wouldn't say no to a squatter, bulkier Deluxe Class Cosmos.

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:

Nemesis Destron wrote:So some thoughts on the repaint of this mold?

A use for a hypothetical pretooled head:


Transformers G1 1990 Gutcruncher with Stratotronic Jet Gallery

I've always thought of him as more of a potential Roadbuster retool with tank treads in the rear and wheels in the front.

At the same time I thought this would be a perfect alt mode for him and it would have really fit well with Siege or Earthrise.



Also, everyone is forgetting the obvious repaint for Warpath: Netflix, that counts, too.

Emerje

Wolfman Jake wrote:

blackeyedprime wrote:*forearm kibble must do something...hoping it does anyway.

The forearm kibble is actually accurate to the G1 cartoon model.

By accurate it was there, by not accurate it normally looked like thin girders and they should be angled like on the innerside of kingdoms warpath. The episode with the jousting he was as tall as hoist. I probably cant find them again but in some book? Magazine? Leaflet? art warpaths the same size of the other minibots (including cliff) yet bumblebee is half their size.
With scale in media being so out of whack I think the Kingdom warpath compliments legends sized bee or the older spy team minibots. He's less out of place than ER Cliffjumper or netflix bee but scale for wfc has been screwy from the start anyways. They all look good and passable together so it has kept the wfc line consistent in that.

For me I really have no need for them to redo the other previously done minibots and charge deluxe prices for them - kingdoms opened up the possibility of them being redone or rereleased as core class. All the legends sized minibots were pretty good with only bee/roadburns limbs being a bit iffy. Power glide didn't even suffer from his gun/chest armor mode gimmicks which is unheard of for the most part when they try to squeeze a lot into a figure.
We might see bee in core class but if they were going to use it for minibots deluxe is an odd choice for warpath.

blackeyedprime wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

blackeyedprime wrote:*forearm kibble must do something...hoping it does anyway.

The forearm kibble is actually accurate to the G1 cartoon model.

By accurate it was there, by not accurate it normally looked like thin girders and they should be angled like on the innerside of kingdoms warpath. The episode with the jousting he was as tall as hoist.

Yep, the tank treads are drawn way smaller on the forearms and feet of Warpath in the Sunbow animation model, but they cheated all the time on robot mode proportions in the original show. Lots of other characters suffer similar issues in plastic toy form, but it's just generally accepted. Take a look at Siege Sideswipe, or Earthrise Cliffjumper and Sunstreaker, or even Netflix Bumblebee. All of their chests are made from actual parts of their alt modes, being either the front hood of the car or the roof of the passenger compartment. In the cartoon, these parts are drawn way smaller in robot mode. It's size/mass shifting magic. You can't do that in toy form without faux parts and a Masterpiece scale and price point. If we accept these "oversized" vehicle kibble parts on other figures, why can't Warpath get a pass? Personally, while I accept the need for faux parts at times to get a robot or alternate mode to "look right," I appreciate when it's not needed, even if it means some proportions are a little less "screen accurate."

As for the episode you mentioned with jousting, I'm assuming you're referring to "A Decepticon Raider in King Arthur's Court." Believe it or not, that episode wasn't produced by the usual studios, Toei or AKOM, but an as yet unidentified animation studio. It's got several errors/differences in animation compared to the bulk of Season 2. For instance, Hoist has a different character model, Warpath's mouth vents don't light up when he talks, and his tank barrel length changes from shot to shot. So, I don't think this episode is the best to hang your hat on when it comes to making scale arguments.