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Cthulhunicron wrote:I just think that some characters are harder to adapt than others, and you need to take different things into consideration. It wouldn't make sense to make Ironhide or Bumblebee into anything other than cars, but to me, it does make sense to make Soundwave into something other than a boombox.

I had no problem with Megatron turning into a Cybertronian jet instead of a pistol, so I will have no problem at all with Soundwave being a van or something. It also won't bother me if Soundwave can't be totally inconspicous. I'm not expecting a live action version of G1. If I want to see Soundwave being able to sneak into homes and bases as a small tape recorder, I'll just watch the cartoon. If I'm watching a live action movie, I don't care if certain things are changed, just as long as the movie is enjoyable.

I'm not saying anybody's right or wrong here, this is just how I feel about it.

There is one key difference here. Megatron's pistol mode is not all that iconic, and secondly, really doesn't fit his position as leader of the Decepticons. A vehicle mode, does fit Megatron better. Personally, I would have preferred Megatron to be a Cybertronian tank instead of a Cybertronian jet. For Soundwave though, his alternate mode and mass conversion capability are iconic to him. They are what make him who he is, and that is why they didn't use him in the first movie. Without them he is not Soundwave. Therefor, the question becomes do you want Soundwave, or just a character with his name. Me? I want the true Soundwave. And that means decked out modern portable stereo alt mode with Mass conversion to full sized robot mode. Without that, he is not really Soundwave, just a character named that.

Tramp wrote:

Coolyfett wrote:Dude, Soundwave does NOT need to get indoors. Thats whats Rumble, Ravage and Laserbeak are for. All of the Transformers have changed. I mean Ironhide could have been red, and should have been red, but they made him black. Soundwave does NOT need to hide my boy.

conspicuous, conspicuous, conspicuous, conspicuous. Thats all you are saying. Posters are just putting up IDEAS man. Tramp feels the need to tell everyone they are wrong, because the ideas does not fit HIS IDEA. Some folks want him as a vehicle some as an audio device. Cool.... everyone can speak their idea Tramp. No one is right No one is wrong. This is 2007 not 1986. Things change Tramp. In time you will see Soundwave is going to change just like Bumblebee, Ironhide, Ratchet, Jazz, etc etc.

First off, Bumblebee, Jazz, Ironhide, etc, kept the essence of who and what they were; including their alternate modes. They didn't change all that dramatically. Bumblebee, and Jazz are still cars, Ironhide is still a truck (just not a van), Prime is still a semi cab. Starscream is still a fighter jet. They're just modernized. They're still their iconic selves, especially Prime. Part of what makes Soundwave, "Soundwave" is his type of alternate mode. It is part of who he is. If you take that away, you take away Soundwave. There is a difference between modernizing and making more "realistic" in appearance, and making him a completely different character all together. A radically different type of alternate mode makes him a completely different character, not Soundwave.

Tramp.. Explain this to me buddy. I dig Soundwave being in the 3rd flick. Trust me man I want to see it, but how can he be the same size as the others if he is an audio device? He has to be bigger then Frenzy right?? Holla back Tramp.

Tramp wrote:

Cthulhunicron wrote:I just think that some characters are harder to adapt than others, and you need to take different things into consideration. It wouldn't make sense to make Ironhide or Bumblebee into anything other than cars, but to me, it does make sense to make Soundwave into something other than a boombox.

I had no problem with Megatron turning into a Cybertronian jet instead of a pistol, so I will have no problem at all with Soundwave being a van or something. It also won't bother me if Soundwave can't be totally inconspicous. I'm not expecting a live action version of G1. If I want to see Soundwave being able to sneak into homes and bases as a small tape recorder, I'll just watch the cartoon. If I'm watching a live action movie, I don't care if certain things are changed, just as long as the movie is enjoyable.

I'm not saying anybody's right or wrong here, this is just how I feel about it.

There is one key difference here. Megatron's pistol mode is not all that iconic, and secondly, really doesn't fit his position as leader of the Decepticons. A vehicle mode, does fit Megatron better. Personally, I would have preferred Megatron to be a Cybertronian tank instead of a Cybertronian jet. For Soundwave though, his alternate mode and mass conversion capability are iconic to him. They are what make him who he is, and that is why they didn't use him in the first movie. Without them he is not Soundwave. Therefor, the question becomes do you want Soundwave, or just a character with his name. Me? I want the true Soundwave. And that means decked out modern portable stereo alt mode with Mass conversion to full sized robot mode. Without that, he is not really Soundwave, just a character named that.

Megatrons pistol mode is not iconic?? I believe you are only saying that because you know how dumb it would look in a movie... some people feel the same way about soundwave and I am one of those people... your version of soundwave was done in the first movie... they just named him frenzy because the fans would have went apesh*t if they called him soundwave.

Coolyfett wrote:
Tramp.. Explain this to me buddy. I dig Soundwave being in the 3rd flick. Trust me man I want to see it, but how can he be the same size as the others if he is an audio device? He has to be bigger then Frenzy right?? Holla back Tramp.

Very simple. The one thing that they didn't have in the first movie becuase it was simply too much to explain and for people to accept along with everything else in just one movie—mass conversion. That is how. I've said that a good dozen or so times already. One fo Soundwave's greatest abilities, one really only shared by a few select othere characters is the ability to change his size and mass to extreme levels. With all of the things they had to cover, they couldn't really deal with the concept and do it justice, so they didn't use it and thus didn't use Soundwave. In the sequels, they do have the opportunity to approach the subject believably because all the rest has been dealt with already. ANd, before people go ribbing on the concept, Hasbro themselves stated tey wanted Soundwave to have mass conversion back when he was going to be in the first movie. They insisted that he do. Secondly, extreme changes in size have been a staple of science fiction and fantasy movies for decades, so it isn't all that unbelivable nor likely to destroy suspension of disbelief.

kendragon wrote:
Megatrons pistol mode is not iconic?? I believe you are only saying that because you know how dumb it would look in a movie... some people feel the same way about soundwave and I am one of those people... your version of soundwave was done in the first movie... they just named him frenzy because the fans would have went apesh*t if they called him soundwave.

Actually, Kendragon, no, his pistol mode isn't all that iconic. How many different versions of Megatron has there been, and how many different alternate modes has he had? He's been a pistol, a tank multiple times, a jet, a triplechanger, a T-Rex, a dragon, He has not had a single iconic alternate mode. Nor is a pistol really suited to the Leader of the Decepticons since it places him in the dependency of his subordinates to hold him and pull the trigger when he is in his alternate mode, which really isn't Megatron's style. His tank modes are really more iconic than his pistol mode, and even then, not really because he has had so many different incarnations and alternate modes. Prime has a very icaonic appearance and alternate mode. Soundwave does too. Megatron does not.

I think, if you keep the idea of the Decepticons using military vehicles, an AWACS is a pretty good choice for Soundwave. More than likely the E3 Sentry would be a good choice. The radome and engine pods could make good places to hide his troops(though, with the example of Scorpinok, it's more important to have the room to break off, than a specific "part" to be the minion).

Tramp wrote:

kendragon wrote:
Megatrons pistol mode is not iconic?? I believe you are only saying that because you know how dumb it would look in a movie... some people feel the same way about soundwave and I am one of those people... your version of soundwave was done in the first movie... they just named him frenzy because the fans would have went apesh*t if they called him soundwave.

Actually, Kendragon, no, his pistol mode isn't all that iconic. How many different versions of Megatron has there been, and how many different alternate modes has he had? He's been a pistol, a tank multiple times, a jet, a triplechanger, a T-Rex, a dragon, He has not had a single iconic alternate mode. Nor is a pistol really suited to the Leader of the Decepticons since it places him in the dependency of his subordinates to hold him and pull the trigger when he is in his alternate mode, which really isn't Megatron's style. His tank modes are really more iconic than his pistol mode, and even then, not really because he has had so many different incarnations and alternate modes. Prime has a very icaonic appearance and alternate mode. Soundwave does too. Megatron does not.

Actually I had a look on Wikipedia to see what other versions of soundwave there have been and I was surprised to see that there were quite a few different alt modes including some tanks and a bike. They also mention his cybertron incarnation which is a starship stealth fighter type vehicle.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soundwave_(Transformers)

y is everyone sayin soundwave has to be a spy guy that has to blend in to the background etc... his little robots did that NOT soundwave http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLnuUYUZaAM sweet aisha! just make him a hektik cargo dropper with mad robot cargo

Pirate_Cop wrote:y is everyone sayin soundwave has to be a spy guy that has to blend in to the background etc... his little robots did that NOT soundwave http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLnuUYUZaAM sweet aisha! just make him a hektik cargo dropper with mad robot cargo

EVERYONE is not saying that man. Go back and read though and you will see. I agree with you that Laserbeak and Ravage should be doing all the spying.

kendragon wrote:

Tramp wrote:

kendragon wrote:
Megatrons pistol mode is not iconic?? I believe you are only saying that because you know how dumb it would look in a movie... some people feel the same way about soundwave and I am one of those people... your version of soundwave was done in the first movie... they just named him frenzy because the fans would have went apesh*t if they called him soundwave.

Actually, Kendragon, no, his pistol mode isn't all that iconic. How many different versions of Megatron has there been, and how many different alternate modes has he had? He's been a pistol, a tank multiple times, a jet, a triplechanger, a T-Rex, a dragon, He has not had a single iconic alternate mode. Nor is a pistol really suited to the Leader of the Decepticons since it places him in the dependency of his subordinates to hold him and pull the trigger when he is in his alternate mode, which really isn't Megatron's style. His tank modes are really more iconic than his pistol mode, and even then, not really because he has had so many different incarnations and alternate modes. Prime has a very icaonic appearance and alternate mode. Soundwave does too. Megatron does not.

Actually I had a look on Wikipedia to see what other versions of soundwave there have been and I was surprised to see that there were quite a few different alt modes including some tanks and a bike. They also mention his cybertron incarnation which is a starship stealth fighter type vehicle.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soundwave_(Transformers)

First off, don't always trust the veracity of Wikipedias. Anyone can add or subtract things on them. They aren't reliable. Secondly, The G2 Gobot, and the Machine Wars versions are hardly even remembered by anyone, much less considered. When people think of Soundwave, they think of G1 Soundwave, the stereo tape deck. That is the form he has most appeared as in cartoons, comics and toys, not the G2 Gobot, not the Machine Wars, not even Cybertron. His G1 incarnation is the one he is most identified with. That is his iconic form. That is his most recognized form.

blackout was the perfect soundwave for this new generation of tf's....i think they seriously dropped the ball on this one, there is no doubt in my mind at all...he kicked so much ass and he did everything soundwave was meant to do on the big screen.

its just a shame they fukked it all off like they did a few tweaks and he would have been so perfect.

what if like there is a cassete (mind my spelling) is like on top of the dash board and when he transformers it will appear on his chest i'm designing what i want hot shot to look like, anyone want to see?

He should be like a purple lowrider suburban with nothing but speakers and a driver seat

Soundwave is all in all Megatrons most loyal soldier. I think he could be come a cool looking vehile and have lazor beak and ravage sount and really spy. For the direction that the movie went with that would be the best choice. Also all this talk about mass coversion is something Michael Bay steered away from with his robots thats why Megatron was a jet not a gun. having mass conversion wont stick with the movie even though frenzy did screw that up quite nicely. Really the key things that Soundwave should have are in robot mode he should have some similarities to his G1 version like some of the drawings
posted. Also this is a digital age you dont techincally need to be in the same room or that close to anyone to spy on anyone. Link up with any one of the satalites in orbit and you can find out about just about anything and if you need close range it would be up to lazor beak and ravage for close range like frenzy did with soundwave in control of them.

lilcarus wrote:blackout was the perfect soundwave for this new generation of tf's....i think they seriously dropped the ball on this one, there is no doubt in my mind at all...he kicked so much ass and he did everything soundwave was meant to do on the big screen.

its just a shame they fukked it all off like they did a few tweaks and he would have been so perfect.

I was kinda thinking the same thing after the 2nd time I watched the movie, but TF1 is in the books now so we have another chance to get it right. Keep ya fingers crossed!! ha ha ha

glitched9700 wrote:Soundwave is all in all Megatrons most loyal soldier. I think he could be come a cool looking vehile and have lazor beak and ravage sount and really spy. For the direction that the movie went with that would be the best choice. Also all this talk about mass coversion is something Michael Bay steered away from with his robots thats why Megatron was a jet not a gun. having mass conversion wont stick with the movie even though frenzy did screw that up quite nicely. Really the key things that Soundwave should have are in robot mode he should have some similarities to his G1 version like some of the drawings
posted. Also this is a digital age you dont techincally need to be in the same room or that close to anyone to spy on anyone. Link up with any one of the satalites in orbit and you can find out about just about anything and if you need close range it would be up to lazor beak and ravage for close range like frenzy did with soundwave in control of them.

I agree man...but what about Rumble!!! I wanna hear "Nobody calls Soundwave uncrazamatic!!!"

Coolyfett wrote:I agree man...but what about Rumble!!! I wanna hear "Nobody calls Soundwave uncrazamatic!!!"

i don't know why but i like that line

Make Soundwave turn into this please, thank you.

glitched9700 wrote:

Coolyfett wrote:I agree man...but what about Rumble!!! I wanna hear "Nobody calls Soundwave uncrazamatic!!!"

i don't know why but i like that line

UNCRAZAMATIC..... I know what he was trying to say, but do you think that was a mistake or done on purpose?

As I see it, they have to be very careful about Soundwave. As far as G1 is concerned he is one of the most memorable decepticons next to Megatron and Starscream.
Here's what I think. Soundwave was cool, but it wasn't entirely how he LOOKED that was cool, it was his manner, his demeanor and most certainly his voice. He was cold, calculated and utterly loyal.
As far as a tape deck goes.. I'm uneasy. Firstly, boom-boxes and cassettes like that are completely 80s, even the designers say that. Heaven forbid nowadays he'd be an evil iPod or something! Second, I'm not overly comfortable with the mass-shifting they are thinking of introducing. My family, who don't know a great deal about TFs, were laughing at the idea of a "cool" transformer shrinking down into a Boom-Box. Taking them as a section of viewing public, it could go very wrong if it was made in a film nowadays.
What makes Soundwave himself is his character, and the fact he carries multiple robots with him.
I vote for a vehicle mode, with Ravage, Laserbeak and Rumble as his henchmen. Not sure WHAT vehicle mode. The stealth bomber as Skowl suggested is a perfect look.. but I don't know how they could have "cassette" robots para-gliding out of him

Uncrazamatic lol. Good one

CJH wrote:As I see it, they have to be very careful about Soundwave. As far as G1 is concerned he is one of the most memorable decepticons next to Megatron and Starscream.
Here's what I think. Soundwave was cool, but it wasn't entirely how he LOOKED that was cool, it was his manner, his demeanor and most certainly his voice. He was cold, calculated and utterly loyal.
As far as a tape deck goes.. I'm uneasy. Firstly, boom-boxes and cassettes like that are completely 80s, even the designers say that. Heaven forbid nowadays he'd be an evil iPod or something! Second, I'm not overly comfortable with the mass-shifting they are thinking of introducing. My family, who don't know a great deal about TFs, were laughing at the idea of a "cool" transformer shrinking down into a Boom-Box. Taking them as a section of viewing public, it could go very wrong if it was made in a film nowadays.
What makes Soundwave himself is his character, and the fact he carries multiple robots with him.
I vote for a vehicle mode, with Ravage, Laserbeak and Rumble as his henchmen. Not sure WHAT vehicle mode. The stealth bomber as Skowl suggested is a perfect look.. but I don't know how they could have "cassette" robots para-gliding out of him

Uncrazamatic lol. Good one

Tramp thats your cue........

While I agree, Cassette deck stereos are very "80s", the current designs, which have CD changers, and in some of the more decked out version,s full DVD players with monitors, are certainly not "80s", and that is what I envision Soundwave being. Picture a large portable stereo with CD changer, and DVD player with monitor, as well as ports and mounts for an MP3 Player (Laserbeak/Booster X-10), and other perifierals which transform into his other minions. That is what I am talking about for Soundwave. That would be the ultimate Soundwave. Screw the tape recorder. I'm talking fully decked out portable stereo audio/visual system; almost a portable home theater.

Now, Glitch, As far as mass conversion goes, Michael Bay steered away from it in the first movie only because he felt it was too much for the audience to handle in one movie with everything else. IF you put too many fantastic elements into a single movie without allowing the audience time to adjust to each, you run the risk of destroying the suspension of disbelief. By spreading the fantastic elements over a series of movies, it allows the audience to accept each element in small chunks over time rather than all at once. This preserves the suspension of disbelief much more effectively. He also felt that having Megatron, the leader of the Decepticons, turn into a handgun would not make sense because why would a tyrannical leader like him take on an alternate mode which would make him dependent upon one of his subordinates. A hand gun requires someone to aim it an pull the trigger. That really isn't suited to someone like Megatron.

i cant say this enough, but blackout was the perfect soundwave...bay and the peanut writers really dropped the ball on this one...i mean they started out as blackout being soundwave, i think they should have never swayed from that original game plan.

Actually, no, they didn't start Blackout as Soundwave. They started Blackout as a character named Incinerator. Originally, Frenzy was going to be Soundwave, not Blackout.

i thought it was always soundwave/blackout kickass copter with all of sw powers....but then they really felt he should be an electronic device of some sort, so they gave the copter **** all back to blackout so he could be his own bot....then they started to do designs of sw as a radio/cd/psp,ect type bot and they realized how stupid it would be to ruin a character as treasured as sw so they gave him the default name of frenzy and made him his own bot.