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wing0hero wrote:

krisko wrote:yea of course its just our own speculation, but prime did kill bonecrusher (and barricade too right?)

Wait when did barricade die? Right before bonecrusher transformed was the last time saw barricade.

He dies in the book and the comics adaption, but it was not in the movie.

Damn Prime took his blade and was like **** him!

This might've been brought up in other threads on the topic, but there's a real easy explanation as to why Megatron did better than Prime.

Prime wanted to avoid hurting the humans. Megatron didn't suffer from any qualms about it. There are a few times when Optimus takes shots he could have avoided in order to protect people. Protecting the "weak", as Megatron pointed out, did hamper Prime. But he wouldn't be the same character, either.

Plus, I don't think it helped much that he probably knew Jazz was dead when he arrived, seeing as Megatron throws his remains aside before they fight. Optimus probably wanted to make sure no one else died as long as he was alive.

Some of you are talking about G1. The movie is TOTALLY different. A new variation of TF.

OP was the underdog in the brawl, but Bay didn't make him look like a total pussy (think Bonecrusher, and the shots he pulled against Megs). He's the classic Optimus Prime to me. Still very recognizable. And I think, it was more about the lives. Prime was most likely too distracted to dish out any real damage on Megs. Knowing that he could potentially harm people. They were fighting in a highly-populated city afterall. That or he was wasted, or beat from getting jumped on by Bonecrusher before they confronted each other (see?).

IMO,

Movie Prime and Movie Megs = equal, but one has the edge simply because he doesn't give a damn who he steps on, shoots, or kills.

Prime took his beating like a man. He still gave Megatron a run for his money! and he pwned Bonecrusher.

Yup, it was no "epic battle" between Prime and Megatron. It was sorry. Bay, was too busy making Megatron look "evil" with Sam, and focus on his worm face teeth, then the fight with Prime. I expected more, since it was Bay, then again Bay has no idea what Transformers were or cared in the first place so...Still, it wasn't that great.

It's either Prime was portrayed as too much a weakling, or Megatron was portrayed as this rumbling super mighty giant.

It's all wrong.

Hey, remember in 1986, when Prime was killed by Megatron, twenty minutes into the movie?

Shadowman wrote:Hey, remember in 1986, when Prime was killed by Megatron, twenty minutes into the movie?

Yeah, I do, and we all have Hot Rod to thank for that.

Merciless0ne wrote:Some of you are talking about G1. The movie is TOTALLY different. A new variation of TF.

OP was the underdog in the brawl, but Bay didn't make him look like a total pussy (think Bonecrusher, and the shots he pulled against Megs). He's the classic Optimus Prime to me. Still very recognizable. And I think, it was more about the lives. Prime was most likely too distracted to dish out any real damage on Megs. Knowing that he could potentially harm people. They were fighting in a highly-populated city afterall. That or he was wasted, or beat from getting jumped on by Bonecrusher before they confronted each other (see?).

IMO,

Movie Prime and Movie Megs = equal, but one has the edge simply because he doesn't give a damn who he steps on, shoots, or kills.

100% agreed...

Prime was definitely tough enough.... Bonecrusher would definitely say so if he still had a head....

-Also, Megs did have more hits on Prime, but not by much. I am thinking surroundings had a big part.

product of the 80s wrote:Hey guys, first post so be nice...

Anyhow, I'm not too familiar w/ this site, but I just wanted to get the opinion of some true TF fans.

As a big fan growing up w/ the G1 series and Movie I was always a huge fan of Prime and how they handled the Prime/Megatron fued. The way Megatron would use dirty tactics to gain the upperhand over the otherwise superior Prime.

In the movie, which I loved btw, the end was ruined for me in how Prime simply got slapped and literally thrown around like a little girl. I understand making Megatron a huge threat, I just don't like the idea of making it look like Prime is nowhere close to being his equal.

So how did the final fight (or lack thereof...) sit with you guys after Bay promised us an "epic battle" between Prime and Megs at the end?

Am I the only Prime fan who was really annoyed by how Bay handled it?

well i dont really care about it, if prime lives im happy nothin more nothin less

Merciless0ne wrote:

Shadowman wrote:Hey, remember in 1986, when Prime was killed by Megatron, twenty minutes into the movie?

Yeah, I do, and we all have Hot Rod to thank for that.

If Hot Rod didn't provide the distraction, Megatron was no match for Prime in Movie 1986.

Unlike in Movie 2007, Prime can't defeat Megatron, even with the air force providing a lot of firepower pummeling at Megatron.

Megatron was portrayed as something similar to Unicron of Movie 86.

In the end, only the CUBE can destroy the all powerful Megatron.

Just like the Matrix destroying the all powerful Unicron.

Auto Bot wrote:

Merciless0ne wrote:

Shadowman wrote:Hey, remember in 1986, when Prime was killed by Megatron, twenty minutes into the movie?

Yeah, I do, and we all have Hot Rod to thank for that.

If Hot Rod didn't provide the distraction, Megatron was no match for Prime in Movie 1986.

Unlike in Movie 2007, Prime can't defeat Megatron, even with the air force providing a lot of firepower pummeling at Megatron.

Megatron was portrayed as something similar to Unicron of Movie 86.

In the end, only the CUBE can destroy the all powerful Megatron.

Just like the Matrix destroying the all powerful Unicron.

I don't think the Allspark was his only weakness, I think it was a case of desptate times call for desprate measures.

Actually, Allspark was every Transformers' weakness.

But what else can destroy Megatron? Given the available technology, firepower, military might, Autobots capability, as portrayed in the movie, I guess nothing can destroy him except the CUBE.

Of course, not to pick up ideas and items from other storylines, such as Matrix, Minicons, the old Prime's strength, etc.

Theres also the fact that Megs and optimus are brothers... one good one evil... so the good one isnt so keen on say chopping the head of the evil one... clearly at a disadvantage then.

Auto Bot wrote:Actually, Allspark was every Transformers' weakness.

But what else can destroy Megatron? Given the available technology, firepower, military might, Autobots capability, as portrayed in the movie, I guess nothing can destroy him except the CUBE.

Of course, not to pick up ideas and items from other storylines, such as Matrix, Minicons, the old Prime's strength, etc.

But it's not his only weakness.

Decepticon Spike wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:Actually, Allspark was every Transformers' weakness.

But what else can destroy Megatron? Given the available technology, firepower, military might, Autobots capability, as portrayed in the movie, I guess nothing can destroy him except the CUBE.

Of course, not to pick up ideas and items from other storylines, such as Matrix, Minicons, the old Prime's strength, etc.

But it's not his only weakness.

Like how they crush him at the deepest part of the ocean.

Shadowman wrote:

Decepticon Spike wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:Actually, Allspark was every Transformers' weakness.

But what else can destroy Megatron? Given the available technology, firepower, military might, Autobots capability, as portrayed in the movie, I guess nothing can destroy him except the CUBE.

Of course, not to pick up ideas and items from other storylines, such as Matrix, Minicons, the old Prime's strength, etc.

But it's not his only weakness.

Like how they crush him at the deepest part of the ocean.

I was thinking more along the lines of if you blast enough holes in a TF, they are either gonna go into statis lock, or die.

I agree. I didn't like how Prime just got slapped around either, but I'm fine with having megatron be more powerful. I think just for the purpose of entertainment's sake they could have A. Given the fight a little more back and forth, or B. Shown more of it, cos when blackout lands, in the background you can actually see prime landing a salvo of punches on megatron.

Here's how I see it.

I have a little brother, see? He's in that 'surly teenager' stage, and he and his friends cause a lot of trouble. Sometimes what he does makes me mad because he can be pretty mean. But I still care about that lunkhead. No amount of meanness can change that. After all, it's not like we can stop being siblings. That bond is always there, no matter what happens.

In all the situations I know about, siblings usually don't want to hurt each other. I know that's the case for me. If it ever came to me having to fight him, that would be very hard for me. I doubt I would be able to do it. No matter what my brother does, I could NEVER EVER hurt him. But if it came down to that, I know I would hold back. Intentional or not, I would hold back.

And that is what I believe the situation is. Optimus Prime, intentionally or not, is holding back while fighting Megatron. He still cares about his brother.

So it breaks down like THIS...

Somebody who's holding back and gives a rat's patoot about his enemy versus somebody who ISN'T holding back and DOESN'T give a rat's patoot about his enemy.

Who do you THINK is gonna end up kicking skid-plate?

Decepticon Spike wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Decepticon Spike wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:Actually, Allspark was every Transformers' weakness.

But what else can destroy Megatron? Given the available technology, firepower, military might, Autobots capability, as portrayed in the movie, I guess nothing can destroy him except the CUBE.

Of course, not to pick up ideas and items from other storylines, such as Matrix, Minicons, the old Prime's strength, etc.

But it's not his only weakness.

Like how they crush him at the deepest part of the ocean.

I was thinking more along the lines of if you blast enough holes in a TF, they are either gonna go into statis lock, or die.

From the way i see it, Megatron has NO weakness. The CUBE is just a consequence because every Transformers is equal when faced by it. Just like every human no matter how strong and unbeatable, will eventually have to face old age and death.

The CUBE is like God of the Transformers.

Megs may have some unknown weakness. But as far as the movie story goes, he does not have any KNOWN weakness so far.

Crushing him in the deepest part of the ocean is just a THEORY of the military. Not confirmed yet. (They may use this flaw to revive Megs in Movie #2. Watch out!) Besides, Megs have to be either dead or in stasis mode to be able to bring him into this crushing environment.

Night Raid wrote:Here's how I see it.

I have a little brother, see? He's in that 'surly teenager' stage, and he and his friends cause a lot of trouble. Sometimes what he does makes me mad because he can be pretty mean. But I still care about that lunkhead. No amount of meanness can change that. After all, it's not like we can stop being siblings. That bond is always there, no matter what happens.

In all the situations I know about, siblings usually don't want to hurt each other. I know that's the case for me. If it ever came to me having to fight him, that would be very hard for me. I doubt I would be able to do it. No matter what my brother does, I could NEVER EVER hurt him. But if it came down to that, I know I would hold back. Intentional or not, I would hold back.

And that is what I believe the situation is. Optimus Prime, intentionally or not, is holding back while fighting Megatron. He still cares about his brother.

So it breaks down like THIS...

Somebody who's holding back and gives a rat's patoot about his enemy versus somebody who ISN'T holding back and DOESN'T give a rat's patoot about his enemy.

Who do you THINK is gonna end up kicking skid-plate?

Disagree.

Prime fired the FIRST shot.

He could have just tackled him and attempt to pin him down.

No brotherly love in that first shot.

Prime fired the FIRST shot.

He could have just tackled him and attempt to pin him down.

No brotherly love in that first shot.

Yeah well Megatron was readying a cannon that blasted Optimus up and off his feet. Optimus fired a weak shot by the way since it only grazed him.

Do we have to analyze every bit of a storyline that wasn't there in the first place?

lodelco wrote:

Prime fired the FIRST shot.

He could have just tackled him and attempt to pin him down.

No brotherly love in that first shot.

Yeah well Megatron was readying a cannon that blasted Optimus up and off his feet. Optimus fired a weak shot by the way since it only grazed him.

Do we have to analyze every bit of a storyline that wasn't there in the first place?

That's exactly what i mean. When Megatron was readying a cannon, Prime should have jumped him and try to pin him down.

And if that fails. THEN he can fire the first SHOT.

I was expecting that kind of scene to happen when i first watched the movie. I was just so surprised that Prime opted to just fire away instead. Very NOT like the typical righteous Prime that we all know. This new Prime is quite aggressive and heavy handed. Although a weakling compared to Megatron.

If you look back to the old cartoons, and even in the old movie, it's very rare that Prime will fire the first shot. If he ever did at all. I don't remember any.

And even if fired upon, or after a back-breaking brawl, when he finally gets the upper hand, Prime would usually even hesitate to fire, or just point the gun, blurt out some speech, waiting for the enemy to give up.

He DOESN'T fire first shots.

Auto Bot wrote:

lodelco wrote:

Prime fired the FIRST shot.

He could have just tackled him and attempt to pin him down.

No brotherly love in that first shot.

Yeah well Megatron was readying a cannon that blasted Optimus up and off his feet. Optimus fired a weak shot by the way since it only grazed him.

Do we have to analyze every bit of a storyline that wasn't there in the first place?

That's exactly what i mean. When Megatron was readying a cannon, Prime should have jumped him and try to pin him down.

And if that fails. THEN he can fire the first SHOT.

I was expecting that kind of scene to happen when i first watched the movie. I was just so surprised that Prime opted to just fire away instead. Very NOT like the typical righteous Prime that we all know. This new Prime is quite aggressive and heavy handed. Although a weakling compared to Megatron.

If you look back to the old cartoons, and even in the old movie, it's very rare that Prime will fire the first shot. If he ever did at all. I don't remember any.

And even if fired upon, or after a back-breaking brawl, when he finally gets the upper hand, Prime would usually even hesitate to fire, or just point the gun, blurt out some speech, waiting for the enemy to give up.

He DOESN'T fire first shots.

So what you're saying is, this Prime isn't the guy who can hand Megatron's ass everytime?

Oh dear. I hope he's better in the sequel. After watching the movie I was a little disappointed in Prime barely putting up a fight.