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No Death for Prowl wrote:However, I'm glad you mentioned the word "corpse" since this ultimately makes this whole argument moot. From all indications, the Seekers and Insecticons were dead, floating in space with Megatron.

To me, at least, all indications were that they were alive. They were alive when cast out of Astrotrain. They encountered nothing in space to bring about their demise. If Megatron, who at the time of being cast out appeared more damaged than the Seekers and Insecticons (as they could still stand and Megs could not), survived to meet Unicron, then it stands to reason that the others were alive at the time of their reformatting as well.

Savage wrote:

No Death for Prowl wrote:However, I'm glad you mentioned the word "corpse" since this ultimately makes this whole argument moot. From all indications, the Seekers and Insecticons were dead, floating in space with Megatron.

To me, at least, all indications were that they were alive. They were alive when cast out of Astrotrain. They encountered nothing in space to bring about their demise. If Megatron, who at the time of being cast out appeared more damaged than the Seekers and Insecticons (as they could still stand and Megs could not), survived to meet Unicron, then it stands to reason that the others were alive at the time of their reformatting as well.

Actually I think the opposite is more likely.

The Insecticons and the 2 Seekers were very near death when they were cast out.They were so weak that they couldnt even offer up much resistence in their own defence.

Yes Megatron appeared more damage, but Megatron was pretty much indestructible in the G1 cartoon.

It makes sence that Megatron would still be alive while the rest died.

I think the Insecticons thrown out were clones, IMHO. They appear later on in the movie and season three. So, for me, Cyclonus is Skywarp. If he's anyone at all and not a shell program by Unicron.

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:I think the Insecticons thrown out were clones, IMHO. They appear later on in the movie and season three. So, for me, Cyclonus is Skywarp. If he's anyone at all and not a shell program by Unicron.

The Insecticons appearing later can be chalked up as animation errors, as they appear in season 3 as well and that season was littered with animation errors.

And you've said nothing that backs your "Cyclonus is Skywarp" claim.

Sabrblade wrote:

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:I think the Insecticons thrown out were clones, IMHO. They appear later on in the movie and season three. So, for me, Cyclonus is Skywarp. If he's anyone at all and not a shell program by Unicron.

The Insecticons appearing later can be chalked up as animation errors, as they appear in season 3 as well and that season was littered with animation errors.

And you've said nothing that backs your "Cyclonus is Skywarp" claim.

Note the 'think' part, there. And yes, they can be animation errors... or not. Again, multiple appearances and the fact that they can clone themselves. So, the ones thrown out could be clones and the ones that appear later on, the real ones.

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:I think the Insecticons thrown out were clones, IMHO.

Yeah I considered that too over the years but one simple fact always cast that therpy into doubt.

No "Insectiocon-clone" was ever known to be capable of transforming.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:I think the Insecticons thrown out were clones, IMHO.

Yeah I considered that too over the years but one simple fact always cast that therpy into doubt.

No "Insectiocon-clone" was ever known to be capable of transforming.

Unicron reformatted them?

EDIT: You mean the Insecticons were tossed out as robots and not as insects. Sorry, sorry. Well, we never saw it, but doesn't mean it didn't happen.

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:I think the Insecticons thrown out were clones, IMHO.

Yeah I considered that too over the years but one simple fact always cast that therpy into doubt.

No "Insectiocon-clone" was ever known to be capable of transforming.

Unicron reformatted them?

EDIT: You mean the Insecticons were tossed out as robots and not as insects. Sorry, sorry. Well, we never saw it, but doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Correct.

The Insecticons that were throw off Astrotrain were in "robot" mode.

And it matters very much if clones werent capable of a robot mode.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:I think the Insecticons thrown out were clones, IMHO.

Yeah I considered that too over the years but one simple fact always cast that therpy into doubt.

No "Insectiocon-clone" was ever known to be capable of transforming.

I've got it! What we saw was the first and only appearance of Salvo, Shothole and Zaptrap. Miscolored at that!

Skyfire77 wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:I think the Insecticons thrown out were clones, IMHO.

Yeah I considered that too over the years but one simple fact always cast that therpy into doubt.

No "Insectiocon-clone" was ever known to be capable of transforming.

I've got it! What we saw was the first and only appearance of Salvo, Shothole and Zaptrap. Miscolored at that!

Skyfire77 wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:I think the Insecticons thrown out were clones, IMHO.

Yeah I considered that too over the years but one simple fact always cast that therpy into doubt.

No "Insectiocon-clone" was ever known to be capable of transforming.

I've got it! What we saw was the first and only appearance of Salvo, Shothole and Zaptrap. Miscolored at that!

Are you saying they were the ones thown out of Astrotrain, or the ones seen later on? Cuz if it's the former, then you're claiming that Salvo became either Cyclonus or his Armada instead of Bombshell.

Sabrblade wrote:

Skyfire77 wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:I think the Insecticons thrown out were clones, IMHO.

Yeah I considered that too over the years but one simple fact always cast that therpy into doubt.

No "Insectiocon-clone" was ever known to be capable of transforming.

I've got it! What we saw was the first and only appearance of Salvo, Shothole and Zaptrap. Miscolored at that!

Are you saying they were the ones thown out of Astrotrain, or the ones seen later on? Cuz if it's the former, then you're claiming that Salvo became either Cyclonus or his Armada instead of Bombshell.

You know, you'd think I could remember having just watched the movie in September, but did Cyclonus actually say or do anything on his own during the movie? IIRC, all he did was shuttle Galvatron back and forth.

Maybe he was built from one of the clones, then got sparked or something after Unicron was destroyed.

Skyfire77 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Skyfire77 wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:I think the Insecticons thrown out were clones, IMHO.

Yeah I considered that too over the years but one simple fact always cast that therpy into doubt.

No "Insectiocon-clone" was ever known to be capable of transforming.

I've got it! What we saw was the first and only appearance of Salvo, Shothole and Zaptrap. Miscolored at that!

Are you saying they were the ones thown out of Astrotrain, or the ones seen later on? Cuz if it's the former, then you're claiming that Salvo became either Cyclonus or his Armada instead of Bombshell.

You know, you'd think I could remember having just watched the movie in September, but did Cyclonus actually say or do anything on his own during the movie? IIRC, all he did was shuttle Galvatron back and forth.

Maybe he was built from one of the clones, then got sparked or something after Unicron was destroyed.

He did do some fighting on his own a bit, and he spoke two lines in the whole movie: "Do you want me to gut Ultra Magnus?" and "The Autobots have been terminated." (the first line is often mistaken to be spoken by Scourge since his head pops up when its spoken, but it's really Rodge C. Carmel speaking that line).

Many of you guys look into things like this way to hard.
There are a ton of animation mistakes in this movie. And that is what they are, animation mistakes.

Yes sombody was transformerd into cyclonus, and he was originaly thought to have his own group of followers just like scourge.
That got scraped and not fixed correctly.

Similar would be UltraMagnus not being ripped apart but blown up. The sweeps pulling him apart was the reason he could be put back togetor.

Hound on earth when the fighting started but then ariving in the shuttle with prime later in the movie.


Don't look to deep into these things. It will drive you crazy.

Kup98ss wrote:

Hound on earth when the fighting started but then ariving in the shuttle with prime later in the movie.

Sunstreaker was shown on earth early in the film and then also arriving with Prime not Hound.

Kup98ss wrote:Many of you guys look into things like this way to hard.
There are a ton of animation mistakes in this movie. And that is what they are, animation mistakes.

Yes sombody was transformerd into cyclonus, and he was originaly thought to have his own group of followers just like scourge.
That got scraped and not fixed correctly.

Similar would be UltraMagnus not being ripped apart but blown up. The sweeps pulling him apart was the reason he could be put back togetor.

Hound on earth when the fighting started but then ariving in the shuttle with prime later in the movie.


Don't look to deep into these things. It will drive you crazy.

And aside from that, we see Skywarp and Thundercracker alive and well at Starscream's coronation.

But yeah, I'm up there with you in your opinion of the reformatting scene in that fans only take it serously because it's the first time we ever see Cyclonus. Otherwise it would be dismissed as just another blooper, a blooper that the animators for whatever reason never bothered to fix.

But suppose they did decide to go back and fix it. That would mean that they have to pick between two Decepticons to be the one and only Cyclonus. Unicron makes four of the five Decepticons into flying surfboard/hovercraft thingys, leaving only one to be a jet. Which one does he pick to be that jet? Think about it for a moment, if you were Unicron or the movie animators, and you could only pick only one of those Decepticons to be a jet, which one would you pick?

I'll tell you which Decepticon I'd pick to get made into a jet. I'd pick a Decepticon who's already a jet and with Thundercracker already being made into Scourge, that leaves one option.

That I've always sided with Skywarp as Cyclonus is something that holds even stronger if you believe he was still alive at the time of reformatting. Both are fiercely loyal to their leaders (the Insecticons were always tenuous allies with Megatron at best). In fact, Cyclonus remains the most loyal to Galvatron in spite of the fact that he takes the most abuse from him (something which shows Cyclonus as not the sharpest tool in the shed, which also matches Skywarp's old personality. The ease in which was was baited into taking Galvatron to the "Loony-bin" planet also showed how dim he could be).

That's just my to cents. Truth is, the arguments go one way or the other. It's all just speculation and this is a topic that Transfans generations from now will be arguing over.

ScorpoMax wrote:

Kup98ss wrote:Many of you guys look into things like this way to hard.
There are a ton of animation mistakes in this movie. And that is what they are, animation mistakes.

Yes sombody was transformerd into cyclonus, and he was originaly thought to have his own group of followers just like scourge.
That got scraped and not fixed correctly.

Similar would be UltraMagnus not being ripped apart but blown up. The sweeps pulling him apart was the reason he could be put back togetor.

Hound on earth when the fighting started but then ariving in the shuttle with prime later in the movie.


Don't look to deep into these things. It will drive you crazy.

And aside from that, we see Skywarp and Thundercracker alive and well at Starscream's coronation.

But yeah, I'm up there with you in your opinion of the reformatting scene in that fans only take it serously because it's the first time we ever see Cyclonus. Otherwise it would be dismissed as just another blooper, a blooper that the animators for whatever reason never bothered to fix.

But suppose they did decide to go back and fix it. That would mean that they have to pick between two Decepticons to be the one and only Cyclonus. Unicron makes four of the five Decepticons into flying surfboard/hovercraft thingys, leaving only one to be a jet. Which one does he pick to be that jet? Think about it for a moment, if you were Unicron or the movie animators, and you could only pick only one of those Decepticons to be a jet, which one would you pick?

I'll tell you which Decepticon I'd pick to get made into a jet. I'd pick a Decepticon who's already a jet and with Thundercracker already being made into Scourge, that leaves one option.

That I've always sided with Skywarp as Cyclonus is something that holds even stronger if you believe he was still alive at the time of reformatting. Both are fiercely loyal to their leaders (the Insecticons were always tenuous allies with Megatron at best). In fact, Cyclonus remains the most loyal to Galvatron in spite of the fact that he takes the most abuse from him (something which shows Cyclonus as not the sharpest tool in the shed, which also matches Skywarp's old personality. The ease in which was was baited into taking Galvatron to the "Loony-bin" planet also showed how dim he could be).

But that's just my two cents. Truth is, the arguments go one way or the other. It's all just speculation and this is a topic that Transfans generations from now will be arguing over.

ScorpoMax wrote:

Kup98ss wrote:Many of you guys look into things like this way to hard.
There are a ton of animation mistakes in this movie. And that is what they are, animation mistakes.

Yes sombody was transformerd into cyclonus, and he was originaly thought to have his own group of followers just like scourge.
That got scraped and not fixed correctly.

Similar would be UltraMagnus not being ripped apart but blown up. The sweeps pulling him apart was the reason he could be put back togetor.

Hound on earth when the fighting started but then ariving in the shuttle with prime later in the movie.


Don't look to deep into these things. It will drive you crazy.

And aside from that, we see Skywarp and Thundercracker alive and well at Starscream's coronation.

Lets not forget that Starscream was seen durring Unicrons attack on Cybertron.