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by **Shrapnel Shrapnel** » Mon Feb 02, 2015 4:51 pm

I have come across a chance to buy a G1 Jazz with rub sign that is at least MIB and potentially MISB. The figures bubble is definitely sealed. I have never purchased a MIB G1 and was hoping someone could help me decide what to offer. I would love to add it to my collection but I'm not sure what to pay.

Thank you!

News Credits: 60 · by **fenrir72** » Tue Feb 03, 2015 12:34 am

Is it from ebay?

Before you offer check if it's a KO. And if you do plan on playing with him, whynot order the Encore version?

Concerning KOs, check the TF KO thread in the Non TF section. Hope this helps.

by **Shrapnel Shrapnel** » Tue Feb 03, 2015 5:41 am

I don't plan on opening and it's not on eBay. A friend of a friend out of the blue. I'm not concerned with legitimacy just trying to get an idea of what I should spend.

News Credits: 60 · by **fenrir72** » Tue Feb 03, 2015 10:07 am

Being an original or not affects the price you should be willing to spend.

News Credits: 650 · by **ScottyP** » Tue Feb 03, 2015 10:10 am

MISB - $150-$200 depending on box condition. (edit: A super nice box could drive this way, way up. Super minty sealed G1 figures fetch a hefty price because people grade them.)

MIB - $100-$170 depending on box condition.

Loose/complete (just to be thorough) - $40-$80 depending on box condition.

Also ensure if just MIB that all the paperwork is there (tech spec decoder, stickers, instructions, catalog, etc), as this can affect what you should pay.

Finally, be sure it's also not an Encore or E-hobby reissue, as these don't command nearly what I've quoted up there. Vintage Jazz figures are in much, much more demand than any of the reissues because his face was recast for the reissue and does not look super great compared to the originals.

Hope that helps, and keep in mind it's just me talking based on experience so this shouldn't be taken with 100% confidence

News Credits: 60 · by **fenrir72** » Tue Feb 03, 2015 10:15 am

Shrapnel Shrapnel wrote:I don't plan on opening and it's not on eBay. A friend of a friend out of the blue. I'm not concerned with legitimacy just trying to get an idea of what I should spend.

I'd say offer $20.00 tops. If the seller insists on a vintage price then have him/produce all the needed papers there is.

ScottyP wrote:Finally, be sure it's also not an Encore or E-hobby reissue, as these don't command nearly what I've quoted up there. Vintage Jazz figures are in much, much more demand than any of the reissues because his face was recast for the reissue and does not look super great compared to the originals.

Hope that helps, and keep in mind it's just me talking based on experience so this shouldn't be taken with 100% confidence

The Encore version fixed the face mold using the Stepper TFC release mold. TFC 01 on the other hand still had the sucky face.

by **Shrapnel Shrapnel** » Tue Feb 03, 2015 10:35 am

Thanks for all the input. I'm hopefully attaching a pic. I have not seen this figure listed as a knock off. I have the dinobot knock-offs. So I know that some look very convincing. Anyone seen a Jazz knock-off?

News Credits: 650 · by **ScottyP** » Tue Feb 03, 2015 10:42 am

I'm actually not aware of Jazz knockoffs. I'm sure they're probably out there but they're not common enough to even have ID guides. Looks legit. Box is pretty good but not immaculate. Sealed vs. not, and then what paperwork is/isn't there if not sealed, is going to really determine the fair price for something like that. Good luck!

News Credits: 241 · by **Jelze Bunnycat** » Tue Feb 03, 2015 10:42 am

Indeed there haven't been any Jazz KO's reported so far, but that doesn't give it a 100% guarantee of every Jazz being real

That said, I can tell by the yellowed door that piece has some age to it, usually KO's are pristine.

News Credits: 650 · by **ScottyP** » Tue Feb 03, 2015 10:44 am

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Indeed there haven't been any Jazz KO's reported so far, but that doesn't give it a 100% guarantee of every Jazz being real

That said, I can tell by the yellowed door that piece has some age to it, usually KO's are pristine.

Oh, didn't see that before. Yep, that would knock some definite value off of my earlier estimates.

News Credits: 60 · by **fenrir72** » Tue Feb 03, 2015 11:00 am

Shrapnel Shrapnel wrote:Thanks for all the input. I'm hopefully attaching a pic. I have not seen this figure listed as a knock off. I have the dinobot knock-offs. So I know that some look very convincing. Anyone seen a Jazz knock-off?

Now you're talking!

1.The box. Being 30 years old or something, how's the condition? Not a very good barometer though as you can easily change the box.
2.Look for spelling errors too.
3. Some Jazz figures released after the 1986 have no "Martinii" logos, your picture seems to have it.The ones without "Martinii is also legit.
4.Take a look at the wheel rivets. The KOs have sh#tty rivets.
5.Blister packs of KOs easily fall off the cardboard (not too good a barometer too as you can easily re-glue it.
6. KO tfs have their rub signs detached.
7. Yellowing in both blister pack and figure.

Hope this helps.

by **Shrapnel Shrapnel** » Tue Feb 03, 2015 11:56 am

Again thanks for all the input. I'm going to take a look this evening. If I get him I'll post more pics later.

by **Shrapnel Shrapnel** » Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:06 pm

Turns out guy bought the figure through an estate sale and was more worried about finding a person who appreciated it more than price. Amazing these days.Figure is on a sealed card and a wonderful addition to my collection! I paid $60.00 and I'm very happy.