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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

shockblast2 wrote:Ok, so is this a Prime line toy or a Generations line toy?

Technically neither: it's Timelines, the official toy line for all Club toys. If you're asking if it's a version G1 Chromedome, then yes.

Since it is a prime mold you can't classify it as anything other than prime. Maybe even WFC/FOC since those two are the same continuity. Doesn't make sense to be a Generations toy, unless you consider the possibility that the Nightbeat Jazz mold we saw a week ago is legit. But, even then, by definition Generations is just that, so they can technically use ANY old mold to release a new figure for any dead line. Even then though, this would be a Prime figure just based on the use of the Prime mold. And G1 Chromedome came out over 25 years ago, so it can't be G1. By definition a Generation has to pass away fro another to take its place. No generation is forever. And since G1 and G2 exist, the new IDW stuff would G3. Makes sense to me. But, this is definitely NOT a G3 IDW toy.

Speaking molds, Not that I buy classics stuff, but they need to use this opportunity to release the RTS Frenzy and Rumble we got ripped out of. I liked the updated tank molds and would buy them just cause. They could release them together in deluxe packaging. Not that it has a chance of happening, but it would be cool if they did. And why not? Surely the mold is sitting around collecting dust in some warehouse in China. Why not get some return on your investment?

You're missing the point: I mean the G1 Chromedome character, not the original toy. Keeping that in mind, it's suitable for Generations were it a mainstream release, also because the "GDO series" had RotF, HftD as well as Prime molds in the lineup. And I'm sorry, but I don't see this "G3". IDW G1 is merely a reboot or expanded fiction at best, not a continuation of the original like G2 was. ReGeneration 1 is, but this IDW G1 Chromedome is from a variation of the ongoing MtMtE series.

And we are getting the Rumble/Frenzy mold in the shape of Rewind and the 7th mystery figure in this year's Subscription Service.

shockblast2 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote::???:

...IDW is G1. A G1, at least.

LOL, here we go again.

This new series is G3. Can't be G1. G1 happened 30 years ago. G2 25 years ago. Saying what you have said is an oxymoron. You can't call something generation one that occurred in the past.

Sabrblade wrote:The term "G1" refers to more than one thing:

• While it does refer to the Sunbow cartoon universe, it also refers to
• The Marvel comics universes (which both came out before the cartoon and outlived the cartoon)
• The Japanese cartoon universe
• The Dreamwave comics universe
• The Blackthorne comics universe(s)
• The main IDW comics universe
• The IDW "Hearts of Steel" comic universe
• The IDW Regeneration One comics universe (which itself is a splinter timeline from one of the Marvel comics timelines)
• The 1984-1992 toy bios
• Other more obscure works of fiction from 1984-1992
• Other post-1992 works of fiction written to take place new G1 universes
• The fictional continuity family that all of the above exist in
• The era that the Hasbro-owned brand was in during 1984-1992
• The franchise that existed in the brand during the 1984-1992 era
• The toyline of the franchise from the 1984-1992 era
• And many many more things

The term does not exclusively refer to just specifically the Sunbow cartoon, and you're refusal to acknowledge anything that you don't like the sound of is what's making this difficult.

The only argument I see here is the age difference between IDW G1 and the other G1's.

So how many years should be between G1's to make G3, or any other 'G'? I mean, let's nail it down, people.

Sabrblade wrote:

shockblast2 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote::???:

...IDW is G1. A G1, at least.

LOL, here we go again.

This new series is G3. Can't be G1. G1 happened 30 years ago. G2 25 years ago. Saying what you have said is an oxymoron. You can't call something generation one that occurred in the past.

Sabrblade wrote:The term "G1" refers to more than one thing:

• While it does refer to the Sunbow cartoon universe, it also refers to
• The Marvel comics universes (which both came out before the cartoon and outlived the cartoon)
• The Japanese cartoon universe
• The Dreamwave comics universe
• The Blackthorne comics universe(s)
• The main IDW comics universe
• The IDW "Hearts of Steel" comic universe
• The IDW Regeneration One comics universe (which itself is a splinter timeline from one of the Marvel comics timelines)
• The 1984-1992 toy bios
• Other more obscure works of fiction from 1984-1992
• Other post-1992 works of fiction written to take place new G1 universes
• The fictional continuity family that all of the above exist in
• The era that the Hasbro-owned brand was in during 1984-1992
• The franchise that existed in the brand during the 1984-1992 era
• The toyline of the franchise from the 1984-1992 era
• And many many more things

The term does not exclusively refer to just specifically the Sunbow cartoon, and you're refusal to acknowledge anything that you don't like the sound of is what's making this difficult.

LOL. Sabrblade, you know as well as I do we have to agree to disagree on this. History of our conversations prove this out. I am calling them G3. You can call them G1 if you want. Being an accountant I am always classifying things. And I cannot fathom your end of the debate. But, I respect you and we both seem to enjoy the IDW stuff so as longa s we are both buying them to support the line then its a win-win for both of us. But, if you seriously are trying to convince me these G3 releases are G1, I will not cede. I say that in all respect, my friend.
I just like to keep things clear on my end. That is why I posted what I posted. And furthermore, what fun is it if I don't take a shot at you from time to time?

And the pic of the Star Trek guy with his hands in his face made me laugh, BTW. Thanks for that.

RhA wrote:The only argument I see here is the age difference between IDW G1 and the other G1's.

So how many years should be between G1's to make G3, or any other 'G'? I mean, let's nail it down, people.

I don't think it is so much about the years between as it is the fact that G1 and G2 lines officially had a beginning and an end. In my mind you cannot call these G1 because G1 came to an end when G2 was created. Just like G3. We know that G1 and G2 are long dead, officially I should say. And G3 will end when the IDW stuff officially ends. Hopefully in no time soon, because I am really enjoying the new figures. I love the vibrant colorant Hasbro is using in their resin these days. And such variety as well. My G3 shelf is full of color, while my aligned shelves are more blacks, reds, silvers, greys, ect. Not to mention the insane detail these have. Hasbro might be ripping us on the plastic, but they definitely invested in laser tech to cut these molds the way they do. Too bad they are taking a step backwards with TF4, Prime, and the new cartoons lines.

So by Shockblast2 's logic you can't make anything today set in yesterday. Darn and I was looking forward to "Monument Men".

Okay...

But just one question.

What is this?:



Look very closely at the title logo, right next to the .

njb902 wrote:So by Shockblast2 's logic you can't make anything today set in yesterday. Darn and I was looking forward to "Monument Men".

No, I never said that. The Chinese KO of Arcee in retro packaging is G1. You could take the "alleged" Nightbeat RTS Jazz and use him in your CHUG collection. But I think taking something that ascetically different from other figures and shoehorning it is just lying to yourself. I used to do that when I collected the CHUG line. The GDO stuff was a good example that someone else brought up. You are kidding yourself if you think any of those figures, save Hot Spot, are CHUG. I know, because I was one of those using the ROTF Wildrider scout as my CHUG Wildrider. Silly. And who didn't use HFTD Springer as their CHUG Springer. Until the FOC Springer came out, of course. Then everyone acted like the HFTD Springer never existed.

A line can always be retroactive added to. But, it was to make sense. The KO Arcee makes absolute sense. So does using Generations Nightbeat as CHUG Nightbeat. But saying this new line is G1 to me is silly. Because it shares no characteristic's of said line, other than the name and colors of the characters.

Sabrblade wrote:Okay...

But just one question.

What is this?:



Look very closely at the title logo, right next to the .

You are comparing apples to oranges. We are talking toys, not comics. But, it is G1. Look at the ascetics man. Of course it is G1. Optimus looks the same as his G1 toy. Again, that is my point. The new toys share no ascetic qualities to G1, save the names and colors. G3 Optimus is a cybertronian pickup truck, not a semi. New bumblebee is a sports car, not a bug. Dig?

The comics are fickle anyhow, they use multiple astetics in their books from story to story. One time Thundercracker will look like FOC, next, G1, then G3, and so on. I am talking toys here, my man. And there is no way you could convince me that G3 Megatron, for example, is supposed to be G1. Because he is a gun in G1 and looks altogether different than G3's stealth representation of him.

shockblast2 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Okay...

But just one question.

What is this?:



Look very closely at the title logo, right next to the .

You are comparing apples to oranges. We are talking toys, not comics. But, it is G1. Look at the ascetics man. Of course it is G1. Optimus looks the same as his G1 toy. Again, that is my point. The new toys share no ascetic qualities to G1, save the names and colors. G3 Optimus is a cybertronian pickup truck, not a semi. New bumblebee is a sports car, not a bug. Dig?

The comics are fickle anyhow, they use multiple astetics in their books from story to story. One time Thundercracker will look like FOC, next, G1, then G3, and so on. I am talking toys here, my man. And there is no way you could convince me that G3 Megatron, for example, is supposed to be G1. Because he is a gun in G1 and looks altogether different than G3's stealth representation of him.

Except this toy is the representation of that comic book character. As the comic is set in a G1 continuity that makes the toy a representation of G1 Chromedome.

There is no such thing as G3,its just something you made up.

This is silly. There's no "G3".

That guy you keep calling "G3 Megatron"? This is him, one body prior to his stealth bomber upgrade:



He got injured in a battle, which rendered him in this state:



After which, as his body was beyond repair, his spark was transferred into a new body:



Also:

• "Ascetic" - a person who dedicates his or her life to a pursuit of contemplative ideals and practices extreme self-denial or self-mortification for religious reasons.
• "Astetic" - not a word
• "Aesthetic" - the philosophical theory or set of principles governing the idea of beauty at a given time and place

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:You're missing the point: I mean the G1 Chromedome character, not the original toy.

I am thinking toy because that what we are discussing. I missed the point because you didn't make it until now. With that clarity I see what you are saying.

shockblast2 wrote:

njb902 wrote:So by Shockblast2 's logic you can't make anything today set in yesterday. Darn and I was looking forward to "Monument Men".

No, I never said that. The Chinese KO of Arcee in retro packaging is G1. You could take the "alleged" Nightbeat RTS Jazz and use him in your CHUG collection. But I think taking something that ascetically different from other figures and shoehorning it is just lying to yourself. I used to do that when I collected the CHUG line. The GDO stuff was a good example that someone else brought up. You are kidding yourself if you think any of those figures, save Hot Spot, are CHUG. I know, because I was one of those using the ROTF Wildrider scout as my CHUG Wildrider. Silly. And who didn't use HFTD Springer as their CHUG Springer. Until the FOC Springer came out, of course. Then everyone acted like the HFTD Springer never existed.

A line can always be retroactive added to. But, it was to make sense. The KO Arcee makes absolute sense. So does using Generations Nightbeat as CHUG Nightbeat. But saying this new line is G1 to me is silly. Because it shares no characteristic's of said line, other than the name and colors of the characters.

are you just rolling a dice to pick things to whinge about, because there isn't a FOC Springer. He wasn't even in the game, let alone a toy.

Toys represent characters. Especially the Club toys.

GuyIncognito wrote:This is silly. There's no "G3".

there is a G-Unit. Megatron isn't in it though. He plays hand-egg.

Sabrblade wrote:That guy you keep calling "G3 Megatron"? This is him, one body prior to his stealth bomber upgrade:



Also:

• "Ascetic" - a person who dedicates his or her life to a pursuit of contemplative ideals and practices extreme self-denial or self-mortification for religious reasons.
• "Astetic" - not a word
• "Aesthetic" - the philosophical theory or set of principles governing the idea of beauty at a given time and place

Ok, so they used his G1 in that comic. Again, as I said before, the comics are fickle. You can't really go off of look with the comics, because they change it way too much. Sometimes it isn't even story oriented. More of an artist preference. And I don't like that, because I like order and standards.

Besides we are taking toys here. Not comics. The comics have no system of order, unlike the toy lines. For the most part, anyhow.

shockblast2 wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:You're missing the point: I mean the G1 Chromedome character, not the original toy.

I am thinking toy because that what we are discussing. I missed the point because you didn't make it until now. With that clarity I see what you are saying.

This whole thread is about the toy for IDW Chromedome, wtf did you think we were talking about.

Sabrblade wrote:

MINDVVIPE wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

...IDW is G1. A G1, at least.

Well, again, there isn't any Stylor in the IDW comics. Stylor, until being introduced into this comics continuity (if ever), is from the original G1. That is enough to start talking about headmasters and the desire to have a headmaster Chromedome that is updated and from Hasbro. Its really hair splitting and doesn't matter at all, but I am bored so why not.

LOL, yeah, but what I was trying to get at was the world that this Chromedome comes from is meant to be a slightly alternate version of IDW G1, in which Chromedome has this body (but still has his IDW head) and Stylor as an ally.

Kinda like how the Wings Universe is a slightly alternate version of the G1 cartoon universe, only with some characters having bodies that differ from their cartoon bodies.

The Club simply wanted to throw Stylor in there but without intruding upon the IDW portrayal of the character as a non-Headmaster, and so worked him in in a way gives us him without remaking the non-HM character into a Headmaster.

Rated X wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:IDW Chromedome is not a Headmaster.

Headmasters in the IDW continuity are considered ghoulish, barbaric abominations not unlike what Silas did to Breakdown's corpse in Transformers: Prime.

This is as much IDW Chromedome as the Jazz mold is IDW Nightbeat. All you really have is TF Prime Wheeljack painted in Chromedome colors with an IDW Chromedome head. A stand in at best. Thats why I referred to him as "not" Chromedome. Im not the only one here who thinks this figure is not much of a Chromedome. And at the Same price Code was if you went the BBTS route, this is no bargin.

It's a lot closer to IDW Chromedome than Code will ever be, at least.

And, it's quite possible that Nightbeat'll upgrade into a new body to match his new toy. Bumblebee and Starscream have both done so thus far.

Instead of Stylor they could have made this Rewind if this is supposed to be a cash in on idw Chromedome, the scale would also be better than the Frumble repaint.

And isn't Nightbeat dead? Cos I seem to remember Hardhead shooting him in the head 5 years ago and haven't seen him since.

And shockbla is back? Damn another 6 months have passed, so it's 2015 now? F**k time flies by when you're having fun. Anybody remember Age of Extinction, was it good? Can't remember seeing it last year.

Dead Metal...re: the comics, I'm guessing you're a little behind on Dark Cybertron?

Dead Metal wrote:And isn't Nightbeat dead? Cos I seem to remember Hardhead shooting him in the head 5 years ago and haven't seen him since.

He's returned to the story recently.

GuyIncognito wrote:This is silly. There's no "G3".

There is now bubba.

craggy wrote:Dead Metal...re: the comics, I'm guessing you're a little behind on Dark Cybertron?

Reading the trades, so I'm not up at Dark Cybertron. The trades are a compromise, since they're cheaper and can be cancelled more easily should idw pull another McCarthy and Costa on the TF series.

So he's alive again, well, I guess he was technically half way into the Dead Universe when he died, and seeing how Cyclonus and Hardhead are very much un-undead now, kinda makes sense I think.

Dead Metal wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

MINDVVIPE wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

...IDW is G1. A G1, at least.

Well, again, there isn't any Stylor in the IDW comics. Stylor, until being introduced into this comics continuity (if ever), is from the original G1. That is enough to start talking about headmasters and the desire to have a headmaster Chromedome that is updated and from Hasbro. Its really hair splitting and doesn't matter at all, but I am bored so why not.

LOL, yeah, but what I was trying to get at was the world that this Chromedome comes from is meant to be a slightly alternate version of IDW G1, in which Chromedome has this body (but still has his IDW head) and Stylor as an ally.

Kinda like how the Wings Universe is a slightly alternate version of the G1 cartoon universe, only with some characters having bodies that differ from their cartoon bodies.

The Club simply wanted to throw Stylor in there but without intruding upon the IDW portrayal of the character as a non-Headmaster, and so worked him in in a way gives us him without remaking the non-HM character into a Headmaster.

Rated X wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:IDW Chromedome is not a Headmaster.

Headmasters in the IDW continuity are considered ghoulish, barbaric abominations not unlike what Silas did to Breakdown's corpse in Transformers: Prime.

This is as much IDW Chromedome as the Jazz mold is IDW Nightbeat. All you really have is TF Prime Wheeljack painted in Chromedome colors with an IDW Chromedome head. A stand in at best. Thats why I referred to him as "not" Chromedome. Im not the only one here who thinks this figure is not much of a Chromedome. And at the Same price Code was if you went the BBTS route, this is no bargin.

It's a lot closer to IDW Chromedome than Code will ever be, at least.

And, it's quite possible that Nightbeat'll upgrade into a new body to match his new toy. Bumblebee and Starscream have both done so thus far.

Instead of Stylor they could have made this Rewind if this is supposed to be a cash in on idw Chromedome, the scale would also be better than the Frumble repaint.

And isn't Nightbeat dead? Cos I seem to remember Hardhead shooting him in the head 5 years ago and haven't seen him since.

And shockbla is back? Damn another 6 months have passed, so it's 2015 now? F**k time flies by when you're having fun. Anybody remember Age of Extinction, was it good? Can't remember seeing it last year.

If it were six months from this point now, Dead Metal, then it would still be 2014, let alone when I said that. BTW, what is your obsession with "dangly parts" all about anyhow?