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TulioDude wrote:I think Michael wrote that in the heat of the moment,wich he must have regreted it,because he delete it shortly after.

And had the website not caught it, we wouldn't have known any better.

Be interesting to see if Bay makes another statement in a day or so.

Say what you will, but getting script from agent, auditioning, getting the part of megaton (most powerful villain in TF history) means little information? If that was so, as an actor (even novice actors let alone weaving) he needs to pick up and read supplementary materials for the part. There are tons of comics, novels, cartoons to go by. I may not like the directions of the second movie, but weaving needs to stop complaining. If he was just not happy about the artistic aspect of acting, then He shouldn't take the part. Artistic styles has to do with personal reflections not online ranting. Personally, I think weaving was just bitter he didn't expand his social network. Like he said, he "didn't even meet bay." If you're so concern with the artistic aspect of acting then who cares if you've met the director or not. It'll be nice and courteous if bay had met him, but not a requirement. We all know its about he money. Weaving doing a stunt he did t care about and getting 200,000. And bay makes millions.

**** man bay is right! do your job and smile! stop complaining like a lil bitch...

I don't blame Bay. Hugo just wasn't into the role and according to him it was meaningless. This isn't the firs time he's said this either. I remember an interview a while back where he said something simular. He wasn't a TF fan as a kid. He never watched them growing up. To him this was just another job. And that's fine. There's nothing that states he have to be a fan of the paticular role you do. Your going to like some, your going to loath some, you going to hate some, and some you just don't care about.
Personally, i thought he did a good job. He's an actor. In this case, a voice actor. He did quite well i thought.
Speaking of voice acting, while i admit I didn't read all 10+ pages, but in the few pages i did, it seemed people were surprised that Hugo never even meet Bay, and some even held that against him. (Bay) Well in terms of voice acting, its not uncommon to never meet your director, never meet anyone in the crew, or cast. The realitiy of it is that its just not a requirement. Hugo said himself that he really didn't have time to do the first movie but ended up fitting in between his play. It is what it is.

Not everyone is a fan. At some point people need to realise that this is just a job for them. And no, being a fan of the source material doesn't mean that your going to be a better than the professionals.

Michael Bay has completely overreacted here and I don't blame Hugo Weaving for saying what he did in the slightest.

Here's the thing. Michael Bay has never attempted to make his TF movies even remotely deep compared to some of the lore that the likes of Simon Furman has produced. Countless people have defended it by saying you need to "switch off as a fan" to enjoy it. Bay himself has a reputation for only caring about explosions, car chases, half naked women and "making things look cool" when it comes to movies.

Now compare a role in that sort of movie to some of Hugo Weaving's work. You can't begin to compare his role in say "Oranges and Sunshine" to his role as Megatron. Certainly the character is iconic, but people need to ask themselves- is the role iconic in those movies (ie are we talking about a war-based character on par with say, the writings of Tolstoy)? If people are honest, they'd be forced to answer "no". Let's face it, spending 2 hours in a recording booth to record dialogue for a an entire part in a movie, is hardly going to be something you can sink your teeth in.

People criticise Weaving for only caring about roles he has alot of screen time in. However if you were an actor, then wouldn't the more meaningful roles be the well written ones you had the most chance to sink your teeth into, to immerse yourself into, to connect with the most.

Considering that, how can people be surprised that Hugo Weaving wouldn't rate playing Megatron that highly compared to some other roles? Furthermore if Michael Bay has a problem with that, then he needs to seriously rethink the types of movies he makes.

EDIT: It's interesting comparing the comments in this interview to the ones he made here regarding his work on Oranges and Sunshine.

I really hope Transformers 4 tanks badly, so the rights holders will give the live-action franchise a well-deserved rest and then try something different. At this point even Paul W. S. Anderson would be an improvement.

Bay's Transformers films epitomize "vulgar". You know you're in trouble when an animated series aimed at children have more nuance and sophistication than a live action film ostensibly for adults.

In a couple of hours, Hugo Weaving made enough money to pay off my house, car, and have enough left over to buy half the Primus Packages and hotel rooms at Botcon. That voice could have been anyone, I certainly never cared. Hell, they could have given that job to John3.0. he would have put that money to good use and it would have been a huge honor for him to boot. Hugo didn't need Bay to make him look stupid. He did that all by himself. Oh, but the whole "save the elephants" thing, I dunno what's up with that. How about matching funds for needy humans?

Fairly certain that "anyone" wouldn't have been able to command the money that Weaving did.

You know ... years in the industry, lots of acclaim and awards for multiple movies ... that sort of thing kind of helps to bump up the pay rate.

Funny how it is actually Weaving who is taking alot of flak and not Bay. I mean Bays' comments were rather childish. Weaving were just described how he felt about his job and most likely any actor could say the same. The difference is that some actors (like Weaving) can afford to say so in public. But he didn't call Bay a douchebag or a-hole (though he should have), so I don't know why Bay is so pissed of. Perhaps it got something to do with the fact that Bay can't take any critique

And for those of you who are criticising Hugo for making lots of money for 2 hour job: You really think Bay is doing this just for fun and charity? I mean his job isn't that terrible either. So lets not be hypocritical here. Someone could say that they are All overpaid.

Untalented? I'd like to see you go out and do better.

Well, I bet some of us could do a lot better job. Besides it doesn't matter. This argument could also be used to defend just anything and anykind of sh*t. "You don't like this TF toy? Well too bad, 'cos you aren't a toy maker, so you can't criticise it. Shut you mouth"

I was really going to let all this TF4 hype just pass by and not care about this, but this Bay dude is just too annoying c*nt

i can kinda relate to bays point.

i remember when film directors made films that had character devleopment, plots, drama, intrigue and followed a progressive naritave arc to tell a story which credibly transfered the core tennants of an already established universe into a new medium in order to facilitate whats defined as "an adaptation".

instead of just blowing shyte up around pseudo porn stars.

partholon wrote:i can kinda relate to bays point.

i remember when film directors made films that had character devleopment, plots, drama, intrigue and followed a progressive naritave arc to tell a story which credibly transfered the core tennants of an already established universe into a new medium in order to facilitate whats defined as "an adaptation".

instead of just blowing shyte up around pseudo porn stars.

lol Nice...

To be honest, i really don't like Michael Bay, but he is absolutely correct. Mr. Weaving's blatant disregard for the role is his opinion and all - i get that. But its like "he didn't hafta be an asshole about it." lol

IN the grand scheme of things though, it doesn't really matter. Theres plenty of people who can voice a very believable Megatron (or Galvatron for that matter).

vegetacron wrote:To be honest, i really don't like Michael Bay, but he is absolutely correct. Mr. Weaving's blatant disregard for the role is his opinion and all - i get that. But its like "he didn't hafta be an asshole about it."

And how was he doing that? He was being interviewed in relation to the movie Cloud Atlas and he had a question thrown at him about Transformers. What was he meant to do, lie? He wasn't going out of his way to trash talk the movie - he was merely giving an honest and polite answer.

It's not his fault the movies are pretty sub par due to Bay's directorial style (or lack thereof).

Wow! There are a bunch of lousy Bay lovers at the Yahoo forums

They have this same topic in the entertainment forum section going on now.

I just tried to post my 2 cents of what I thought there and my comment was stripped in less than a couple of minutes. This happens alot with any unpopular left wing ideas you might have about anything there.

Oh yes Mr. Bay. Tell us how many people would appreciate a job in this country, then threaten to give the money to a bunch of elephants instead.

ILL-Star wrote:Oh yes Mr. Bay. Tell us how many people would appreciate a job in this country, then threaten to give the money to a bunch of elephants instead.

Elephants are kewl, tho.

Huh,a topic about Michael Bay getting all butt hurt and acting like a petulant child when one of his actors didn't care for the movie role he was in? Tell me what's new.

Bay vs Scarlet
Bay vs Fox
Bay vs Shia
Bay vs Hugo

No matter the battle, Bay usually wins in the quantity vs quality department. Well you could argue he lost pretty bad with The Island.

Otherwise he's won pretty much all of these battles

Megan talks **** about him and Spielberg...DOTM goes on to make big coin when some thought the departure of the model was going to hurt business.

And I sort of think he's going to win the battles against Shia and Hugo because Transformers is too big at this point where Bay can simply change up the bots and add in a new cosmetic 'actress' and the movie will still make good coin.

Now im not a Bay fanboy. Just saying for all the PR battles...he usually comes out on top. That doesn't mean of course the movies are actually any good.

This will likely be irrelevant come summer 2014.

This all just cements my opinion that Michael Bay is a classless idiot.

Banjo-Tron wrote:This all just cements my opinion that Michael Bay is a classless idiot.

Do tell. I may even go as far to say he's got as much class as Amanda Todd.

ReDPATH wrote:Bay vs Scarlet
Bay vs Fox
Bay vs Shia
Bay vs Hugo

No matter the battle, Bay usually wins in the quantity vs quality department. Well you could argue he lost pretty bad with The Island.

Otherwise he's won pretty much all of these battles

Megan talks **** about him and Spielberg...DOTM goes on to make big coin when some thought the departure of the model was going to hurt business.

And I sort of think he's going to win the battles against Shia and Hugo because Transformers is too big at this point where Bay can simply change up the bots and add in a new cosmetic 'actress' and the movie will still make good coin.

Now im not a Bay fanboy. Just saying for all the PR battles...he usually comes out on top. That doesn't mean of course the movies are actually any good.

This will likely be irrelevant come summer 2014.

I don't think anybody has speculated that TF4 will bomb without Weaving. And that's not really what it's about. Bay vs. Weaving is much less of a battle than Bay vs. Fox or even Bay vs. Shia, where the actors were actually talking **** about him (not necessarily undeservedly) and he was publicly retaliating. In this case, Weaving made a much more professional remark that he didn't really enjoy the role. He didn't dig on Bay at all, and Bay's kneejerk response was quickly removed because he probably realized he was overreacting. We wouldn't even know about it if someone hadn't been in the right place at the right time.

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freetouch wrote:I could have sworn this was 2012... It seems as if I stepped into a time warp and when all the way back to 2008.

You crybabies still upset about michael bay? Time to let it go. You could all be reading a book right now.

I like you. Others won't though. But I like you. You and I? We can laugh at them together.

Can I join you?

If the first Bay directed Transformers movie was the only Bay directed Transformers movie then I'd agree with you to. But there has been two more since then with another on the way. So long as he keeps making them then 'haters' will have as much reason to complain about them as 'lovers' will have as much reason to praise them.

On topic, I wonder if we're giving Bay too much credit in saying he realised the error of his comments. I can't imagine someone who would make such impulsive, immature and borderline inappropriate comments would have the reasoning to so quickly realise the mistake. I'm going to give credit to Mike's agent or some other minion.

Back slightly off topic; why are Bay haters automatically classed as Geewunners or variation thereof? I'm not saying such people aren't fans of G1, but I'm sure many of them are also fans of Beast Wars, Beast Machines, the Unicron trilogy, PRIME, maybe even Robots in Disguise. I know I'm nitpicking but it just seems like an inaccurate label.

Sodan-1 wrote:Back slightly off topic; why are Bay haters automatically classed as Geewunners or variation thereof? I'm not saying such people aren't fans of G1, but I'm sure many of them are also fans of Beast Wars, Beast Machines, the Unicron trilogy, PRIME, maybe even Robots in Disguise. I know I'm nitpicking but it just seems like an inaccurate label.

Fair point.
You may very well be right, but for the longest time, the most vocal of opponents would tell you they were G1 fans to the core, through and through. While some of those opponents have changed, or come from a different generation, the most overwhelming negative opinions come from those who are G1 fans.

They usually cited how it's nothing like the TFs they grew up with etc.

Michael Bay childed their rapehood.