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Fans: WOAH, someone who doesn't like IDW? Well, I guess he's not a true fan.

Now, I don't HATE IDW.
I don't hate ALL of IDW's take on Transformers.
Just only MTMTE (and lost light), and RID (the G1 one).
Why?

Well, shall we start with 2011, with the 'Death of Optimus Prime'?
IMO, it was the end of an era for IDW, because afterwards, they relied on 2 different comics to continue the story. At the beginning it worked, but soon it started to rely on complex stories, pointless backstories and of course - CROSSOVERS!
It randomly made Megatron as an autobot, because "he had a change of heart".
And it now appeases the SJWs by having Rewind be Chromedome's - wait for it - BOYFRIEND!
Why should there be relationships in a franchise which really doesn't need them?

Fans: BAN HIM BAN HIM BAN HIM

Look, I loved IDW before 2012, I thought it was the best TF comic series since Marvel!
Well, I hope that it gets a crossover (lol) with Sonic the Hedgehog which IDW now have the rights (for comics) as well. That would be EPIC!

IDW can still fix TF, it's not too late to change, but most fans still think that it is a great thing, even though IDW is alienating fans with it's current comics.

Well, I hope you understand why I dislike IDW's current TF run.
Thanks for reading

FYI, just in case you weren't aware, your homophobia is showing again.

What does SJW mean?

BattleConvoy wrote:Fans: WOAH, someone who doesn't like IDW? Well, I guess he's not a true fan.

Now, I don't HATE IDW.
I don't hate ALL of IDW's take on Transformers.
Just only MTMTE (and lost light), and RID (the G1 one).
Why?

Well, shall we start with 2011, with the 'Death of Optimus Prime'?
IMO, it was the end of an era for IDW, because afterwards, they relied on 2 different comics to continue the story. At the beginning it worked, but soon it started to rely on complex stories, pointless backstories and of course - CROSSOVERS!
It randomly made Megatron as an autobot, because "he had a change of heart".
And it now appeases the SJWs by having Rewind be Chromedome's - wait for it - BOYFRIEND!
Why should there be relationships in a franchise which really doesn't need them?

Fans: BAN HIM BAN HIM BAN HIM

Look, I loved IDW before 2012, I thought it was the best TF comic series since Marvel!
Well, I hope that it gets a crossover (lol) with Sonic the Hedgehog which IDW now have the rights (for comics) as well. That would be EPIC!

IDW can still fix TF, it's not too late to change, but most fans still think that it is a great thing, even though IDW is alienating fans with it's current comics.

Well, I hope you understand why I dislike IDW's current TF run.
Thanks for reading

Yes! Me and my boyfriend have been talking about how fun a TF/Sonic crossover would be. Could see Robotnik saying "Get a load of this!" as he reveals to Sonic his gigantic new conquest buddy, Megatron! XD


Except I have never had an issue with IDW.

Kurona wrote:What does SJW mean?

Social Justice Warrior.

Mostly keyboard warriors.

Burn wrote:FYI, just in case you weren't aware, your homophobia is showing again.

Right, sorry if that showed :3
Didn't mean to offend anyone, just stating my opinion.

*stays quiet*

Lmao.

Oh, no.

Burn wrote:

Kurona wrote:What does SJW mean?

Social Justice Warrior.

Mostly keyboard warriors.

Yeah, but, like, what does that mean? I've just seen it used for so many things that I no longer understand what it's supposed to mean and I kind of doubt half the people who use it understand either.

*Starts talking*

So now stating opinion is now amusing?

Humans have a weird sense of humor.

I don't find homophobia amusing at all.

I can understand where you're coming from, and honestly, i say good for you. The comics are trying something new. It's ended the war and that gives space for more personal relationships to grow and flourish, something that hasn't happened really in fiction. Now, before throwing out the homophobia card that others seem to be brandishing, I'd be curious to ask why it is you don't like chromedome and rewind being in a relationship? Is it because theey are both males? Or is it because you feel that a romantic relationship has no place in tf fiction regardless of who it involves, and you'd feel the same if they paired up sideswipe and arcee? Because for me, while i enjoy the chromedome rewind and cyclonus tailgate and anide with lug, i also feel that's enougj for relationship drama and I'd luke the focus bavk on adventures. I don't want nautica to get skids back, i don't want blast off and onslaught together. Am i homophobic? No. I just don't want the cimics to turn into romance novels.

So let's hear the why before we get the pitchforks.

The SJW card was brandished first.

Being an SJB myself (warrior is not the only class), it summons me.

How about a new perspective....technically, transformers are genderless right? Regardless if they appear male or female, none of them reproduce the way humans do. So if a guy loves another guy transformer than who cares? I actually think Megatron and Starscream have a love/hate relationship going on too. Lol. I can get where Convoy is coming from though, regarding the fact it's a series centered around warring factions with fighting and stuff. This little bit of romance though just gives something a little new to the story abd shows us maybe THERE IS more than just fighting.

Kurona wrote:

Burn wrote:

Kurona wrote:What does SJW mean?

Social Justice Warrior.

Mostly keyboard warriors.

Yeah, but, like, what does that mean? I've just seen it used for so many things that I no longer understand what it's supposed to mean and I kind of doubt half the people who use it understand either.

As I understand it was coined by 4chan or similar to derivatively refer to other internet users (particularly tumblr) because they... cared about systemic inequality, I guess? Like, when someone says "hey it's kinda sexist that wonder woman was held to much higher standards than most superhero films and was apparently meant to determine the future of female superheroes, even though therein let make superhero films have meant nothing for the industry", the typical response will be "haha sjw". I think there's an implication that by highlighting inequality and representation issues, it means that's all you care about and you prioritise representation over quality of media. (Which in itself implies that representation automatically reduces quality which is a whole new level of nonsense). Some now semi-ironically use it to refer to themselves, like "yeah I'm not a bigot and care about these social issues, what are you gonna do about it?"
I'm sure someone with different opinions about these issues could give you a totally different explanation
...if we're picking classes though, can I go social justice Spellcaster? Standing at the back of the group, trying to avoid damage whilst taking the occasional shot from afar

Regarding IDW though, some of the criticisms are perhaps justified, even if I don't agree at all, but imo what it boils down to is: there's only so many stories you can tell within the confines of "these guys are literally always fighting those guys" as the underlying plot. Break apart from that and you widen the scope for different kinds of settings and stories to be told.

BattleConvoy wrote:

Burn wrote:FYI, just in case you weren't aware, your homophobia is showing again.

Right, sorry if that showed :3
Didn't mean to offend anyone, just stating my opinion.

*stays quiet*

I look forward to when blind hate of fellow humans is classified as what it is and not an "opinion".

ScottyP wrote:

BattleConvoy wrote:

Burn wrote:FYI, just in case you weren't aware, your homophobia is showing again.

Right, sorry if that showed :3
Didn't mean to offend anyone, just stating my opinion.

*stays quiet*

I look forward to when blind hate of fellow humans is classified as what it is and not an "opinion".

Uummm..... correct me if I'm wrong, but we are talking about fictional alien robot characters here, not actual humans.... right? Or have I completely misread this thread?

Insurgent wrote:I can understand where you're coming from, and honestly, i say good for you. The comics are trying something new. It's ended the war and that gives space for more personal relationships to grow and flourish, something that hasn't happened really in fiction. Now, before throwing out the homophobia card that others seem to be brandishing, I'd be curious to ask why it is you don't like chromedome and rewind being in a relationship? Is it because theey are both males? Or is it because you feel that a romantic relationship has no place in tf fiction regardless of who it involves, and you'd feel the same if they paired up sideswipe and arcee? Because for me, while i enjoy the chromedome rewind and cyclonus tailgate and anide with lug, i also feel that's enougj for relationship drama and I'd luke the focus bavk on adventures. I don't want nautica to get skids back, i don't want blast off and onslaught together. Am i homophobic? No. I just don't want the cimics to turn into romance novels.

So let's hear the why before we get the pitchforks.

Not because of them being males, its really what you said, I don't really want romance in TF, whatever the gender.

ScottyP wrote:I look forward to when blind hate of fellow humans is classified as what it is and not an "opinion".

I don't hate ANYONE.

I personally don't agree with LGBTQ, (for religious reasons) but that DOESN'T mean that I hate anyone.
And Scotty, I'm discussing Transformers, not Humans.

Btw, I don't hate ALL of IDW, just most of it.

It's your opinion, and only yours but definitely not mine.

Quite frankly, the comics since 2012 brought me back into reading the books.

This is why.

The comics dared to take a different approach than the usual. Optimus is good, Megatron is bad, Starscream will die trying to lead. The continuance of war, bang bang, Autobots win, Decepticons lose - wash, rinse and repeat. Almost every series has had a variation of this theme. Megatron comes back as Galvatron. Its predictable.

What I like here is that The war has ended. The peace is really dodgy as everyone is attempting deal with millions of years of conditioning. itchy trigger fingers exist on both sides. How the transformers deal with this is a new untested water which IDW Dared to plunge into. Kudos to them to explore the realm of possibilities with Having Starscream ruling a united Cybertron and exploring his state of mind without immediately bumping him off so that Optimus/Megatron could take over. The Starscream angle is what I would consider spot on in any event - especially the "mental instability".

Why should the transformers not have relationships? They have emotions, feelings - love may not be out of the realm of possibility for them. I don't get slash - mostly because its pornographic half the time, illogical pairings and just plain smut. But a good well designed logical relationship is something I am not opposed to. Nothing states it has to be heterosexual, homosexual, Pansexual or any other combination (including aliens and whatnot). And I did enjoy the Chromedome and rewind angle.

Some of the concepts that have been covered have been interesting examples that allow me to think about possibilities in my own writings.

Now if you find these books something you don't want to read, why not do what I have spent the last 14 years doing and write your own stories that you want to read. Interestingly a lot of IDW's stories have covered aspects that my own writings has covered in one way or another (admittedly not the relationship angle - although I do have original characters with interests typically in other original characters - but not usually a focus thing.)

You say you hate the comics, my opinion, hate's a pretty powerful word. I'd only use it in circumstances that warrant the need and that need should not happen very often. I would perhaps use Dislike. Even stories I don't like the artwork is something to behold.

Anyway, enjoy your marvel comics. And the pre 2012 stuff.

BattleConvoy wrote:I personally don't agree with LGBTQ, (for religious reasons) but that DOESN'T mean that I hate anyone.
And Scotty, I'm discussing Transformers, not Humans.

So why are you trying to impose human genders and labels on Transformers?

They're Transformers.

They do not have genders.

They have bodies of various shapes and varying personalities.

But they do not have genders.

You, and even I, and many others, assign genders to them based on our pre-existing concepts of gender.

Sunstar wrote:It's your opinion, and only yours but definitely not mine.

Quite frankly, the comics since 2012 brought me back into reading the books.

Now if you find these books something you don't want to read, why not do what I have spent the last 14 years doing and write your own stories that you want to read.

You say you hate the comics, my opinion, hate's a pretty powerful word. I'd only use it in circumstances that warrant the need and that need should not happen very often. I would perhaps use Dislike. Even stories I don't like the artwork is something to behold.

Anyway, enjoy your marvel comics. And the pre 2012 stuff.

Gah, I achally want to read them now!

Burn wrote:

BattleConvoy wrote:I personally don't agree with LGBTQ, (for religious reasons) but that DOESN'T mean that I hate anyone.
And Scotty, I'm discussing Transformers, not Humans.

So why are you trying to impose human genders and labels on Transformers?

They're Transformers.

They do not have genders.

They have bodies of various shapes and varying personalities.

But they do not have genders.

You, and even I, and many others, assign genders to them based on our pre-existing concepts of gender.

Well, yes, Transformers do have the construct of gender. The fact that they use such pronouns as "he" and "she" (and even non-binary TFs through stuff like AVP) indicate that as such. What they don't have is biological sex, but sex doesn't equal gender.

I'm really behind in my IDW reading. But where I'm at, I have what's probably an unpopular opinion: Meh.

They started out very simplistic, then got very VERY complicated. I'm not a fan of either approach. Y'know how there's obscure facts so deep and dark that you need someone like Saberblade to explain them to you? I started to feel I needed someone like that by my side while I was reading. And "All Hail Megatron" was fun romp that reminded me of the old days with the cartoon, but its regarded as one of the worst things IDW has done. The only other story I enjoyed that much was Megatron: Origin.

It's not as if I can't enjoy complicated stories, but I don't enjoy having to pause every issue and go to Wikipedia.

As for the relationships, genders, and LGTBQ (sorry if I forgot a letter), who cares? Relationships are usually the most interesting parts of stories, and love interests are even better. These things are not among the issues I have with IDW, if anything it's a point in their favor.

I have more of a problem with the stories being too hard to follow than relationships.
Admittedly when relationships are done in IDW, they are done very well, and don't dominate a story.