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Sabrblade wrote:Japan already did something indisputably awesome with the character: Turned her into a Kreon.![]()
Sabrblade wrote:"But"? We're in agreement that this Kreon is a good thing.SW's SilverHammer wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Japan already did something indisputably awesome with the character: Turned her into a Kreon.![]()
But it's adorable
It's posts like these that make me really wish we also had a "saluting" emoticon.
Sabrblade wrote:It baffles me that fan are whining about this fan-built poll winner. She's what the fans wanted, so people are essentially whining about Hasbro/IDW giving the fans what they want.
Burn wrote:Please don't clog this thread up with garbage. Either post a real picture of yourself, or tell Va'al how pretty he is.
Drift was brought in first in All Hail Megatron. Then he got his Spotlight issue. And then much much later did he get his four-issue mini in the following year.MasterSoundBlaster wrote:I don't have an issue with her being a female, I don't have an issue that she's the fan made most of us wanted, my issue is that it's beginning to sound...Driftish. Both have Swords, A Japanese motif, and are being brought in via a 4-part series.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Flashwave wrote: Personally, I find myself subscribing to a theaory that "gender" for a Cybertronian is exactly like a stereotype: They didn't even know what it was until they discovered a trend on other planets as well for the men to generally be the stronger and the females were generally the lighter and tighter shapes
Tekka wrote:What she doesn't realize is that Springer actually loves Rodimus.
Noideaforaname wrote:If "he/him/his" was EVER used to refer to a Transformer, then Transformer gender already exists. "He/him/his" isn't gender-neutral.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Dead Metal wrote:Noideaforaname wrote:If "he/him/his" was EVER used to refer to a Transformer, then Transformer gender already exists. "He/him/his" isn't gender-neutral.
Addressed in Spotlight Arcee.
ThunderThruster wrote:I have to ask, is it the character people hate, or the gender issue being raised with the character?
How can anybody say they hate the character of WindBlade, when we don't even know what her character will be. Yes, we've seen the designs, and if that's not your cup of tea, fine, but you cant base your decision about liking her character, when it hasn't yet been presented.Flashwave wrote: Personally, I find myself subscribing to a theaory that "gender" for a Cybertronian is exactly like a stereotype: They didn't even know what it was until they discovered a trend on other planets as well for the men to generally be the stronger and the females were generally the lighter and tighter shapes
^This is pretty much what I run with, hassle free and simple.
Yes, these are fighting robots, but has everyone forgotten that some of the most formidable warriors in our own history were women!? Get over it!
male/male relationships too.Ultra Markus wrote:Seibertron wrote:I hate seeing this discussion. Let me make it really simple for everyone. There are Transformers who have male appearances, speech, and mannerisms and there are Transformers who have female appearances, speech, and mannerisms. They don't reproduce in a method with which we are familiar. It's really that simple.
Some things are best left not overcomplicating.
To those of you who are all about Transformers needing to be genderless, Transformers would become a pretty challenging and boring concept to read about a bunch of genderless robots who much be referred to without words such as him, his, her, hers, he, she, etc. Not to mention if you got your wish, I have a feeling that you guys would be bitching up a storm if a genderless Optimus Prime had a female voice actor or some other non-manly voice.
I'll take my Transformers as hims and hers. And I don't need to put any more thought into than that sentence to enjoy a fictional universe based off a child's toy brand. Thanks.
my thoughts exactly, never has sexuality had any part of transformers, male/female relationships sure but nothing more
Va'al wrote:Dead Metal wrote:Noideaforaname wrote:If "he/him/his" was EVER used to refer to a Transformer, then Transformer gender already exists. "He/him/his" isn't gender-neutral.
Addressed in Spotlight Arcee.
Very, very badly. Why is the default 'he' to begin with, for example?
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Dead Metal wrote:Va'al wrote:Dead Metal wrote:Noideaforaname wrote:If "he/him/his" was EVER used to refer to a Transformer, then Transformer gender already exists. "He/him/his" isn't gender-neutral.
Addressed in Spotlight Arcee.
Very, very badly. Why is the default 'he' to begin with, for example?
Why doesn't the English language have a gender neutral but still personal version of he/she?
craggy wrote:Dead Metal wrote:Va'al wrote:Dead Metal wrote:Noideaforaname wrote:If "he/him/his" was EVER used to refer to a Transformer, then Transformer gender already exists. "He/him/his" isn't gender-neutral.
Addressed in Spotlight Arcee.
Very, very badly. Why is the default 'he' to begin with, for example?
Why doesn't the English language have a gender neutral but still personal version of he/she?
well that's easy, all the people we've encountered in the creation of the language have been a gender.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
kaijuguy19 wrote:What are your thoughts on the IDW Arcee origin that Furman made?
Okay, this question has come up a lot and it’s time to finally answer.
In a vacuum, Furman’s story is completely legitimate. The idea that someone is fundamentally changed against their will and struggles/rages against that is a really interesting idea. In fact, I wrote a very similar thing with the Dinobots. It taps into a deep human fear that God exists and is apathetic to/causes our pain.
Also dealing with characters that are literally alien naturally leads writers to play with/explore what aspects of humanity do and do not translate: are they alive? does Primus really equate to God if they have concrete knowledge of his existance? what does it mean to be male/female in a non-reproductive species?
The issues I have with Furman’s choice is that we don’t exist in a vacuum and the suggestion that 1. women only exist in aberration 2. being a women is inherently traumatic 3. being a women has any correlation to mental illness are extremely upsetting. Do I think Furman was trying to make a statement about human women with Arcee’s origins? No. In fact, the largest share of blame lies with the tokenization of women in the brand in general. If Arcee was one of many women transformers and she became female in this manner, it would not be an issue for women writ large (although still troubling for the transgender community). It is because she is the ONLY women (and that this story ensures that she will ALWAYS BE the only woman) that Arcee’s story becomes untenable.
Hopefully John, James and I have come up with a way around this Gordian Knot that will satisfy the fan-base, but satisfying-or-no, the most immediate imperative is to ENSURE this story does not continue to keep women readers, fans and characters at arm’s length from the brand. I’ve often said that everyone should feel that they are allowed to like Transformers and it is my complete and utter privilege to take this next step to make that happen.
TLDR version: Arcee’s origin is offensive because we don’t have any other female origins to balance it. We’re working on it, stay tuned.
PS To fans that still claim Transformers are asexual: Academically, you have legitimate standing, but practically, ask yourself this: Jazz has been voice by actors from three different races over the years. If, in the next video game, Jazz was voiced by a woman, would you feel the character had been changed at all? If so, you do not perceive Transformers to be asexual. If not, you are a rare, rare bird indeed.
'Til All Are One,
Mairghread
razorsaw wrote:Ms. Scott, I am very satisfied with the idea you put forth in your post. However, I would like to point out that you used asexual in the wrong context. Asexuality does not refer to gender identity, it refers to sexuality. The word you are looking for is gender neutral. I should note however I agree with the essence of what you were saying. This is just an important part of inclusiveness to get this right, and tbh part of the blame is on the dilution of definition by popular culture.
Thanks for your comment, and you are right that ‘gender nuetral’ would have been a more accurate term. However, I would argue that fans talking about Transformers being ‘asexual’ aren’t wrong. I think they (like I), do actually mean the dictionary definition of ‘lacking sex or sex organs,’ but they (and I) are just also lumping gender-nuetrality into that. I admit this is a cisgender-normative (is that the right word?) point of view and will work to be mindful of that in the future. I’m already plowing through the 47 page GLAAD document on correct LGBT terminology, but it may take me a while to get used to all this.
On a lighter note: Really, GLAAD? 47 pages? I am NEVER going to get this right!
On a serious note again: I will try to get this right and would love if you (that’s all of you, Internet) would please keep helping me. English is my profession, after all, and I want to be as precise with it as possible. Although I will have to take some time off to actually write the comic.
'Til All Are One,
Mairghread
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Back when we quoted Ms. Scott's posts from her Tumblr, there were two more on this subject that did not get quoted here. And with the talk of Spotlight: Arcee why one would need to explain Windblade's gender, I feel these would contribute to this talk.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Va'al wrote:She's not making a big deal out of it, she's posting on her Tumblr about how she's defining her work and the preparation involved in it and how she wants to relate to and deal with the fans in an inclusive way.
It *is* a big deal that this is the first female character who is not a deviation or aberration or experiment in the IDW continuity, that it's both a woman writing and a woman drawing, and that it's the result of a fan poll!
Please do not use the 'what about the menz' argument here, as we're clearly missing the whole point if that's what we're resorting to. The whole universe/franchise is gendered, with the balance in favour of the male side of the issue, even though they are allegedly genderless. Yes, because of the English language and its gendered properties with personal pronouns, but that nonetheless the status quo and a fact.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
And Marvel G1.Dead Metal wrote:This comic is set in the idw G1 universe, in which unlike other incarnations, the Transformers species is genderless.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
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