THE DILEMMA! On a planet dedicated to Right and Wrong, four damaged AUTOBOTS must make an impossible choice: kill or cure? Whatever they decide, their lives will never be the same.
IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #34 Discussion Thread
IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #34 Discussion Thread
Posted by Va'al Wed Oct 15, 2014 2:52 am
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #34 Discussion Thread
Posted by Bounti76 Wed Oct 15, 2014 7:35 pm
End rant.
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #34 Discussion Thread
Posted by Shuttershock Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:06 pm
Also, Bluestreak here is a bit of a culture connoisseur, so maybe a cell phone style communicator is something he picked up.
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #34 Discussion Thread
Posted by Flashwave Wed Oct 15, 2014 9:32 pm
Bounti76 wrote:The art is nice, but this story seems boring. Plus, I find it irritating that Transformers in IDW continuity seem to have too many human characteristics. First, they drink when they have no physical need for sustenance. They have gift shops on other planets. They write (and, one would assume, perform in) plays, to name a few. Then, in this issue, they use cell phones. ROBOTS...from an advanced alien civilization, haven't found a better way to communicate than using cell phones. Throw in the fact that they rarely transform, and it may as well be a series about an advanced human race that cosplays as robots.
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They've always had external communications devices of some kind, Communicubes, what have you. It may just be easier to carry a device with more range than to retrofit something hooked to the brain. And it may be easier to get more range. Would you want to slave your MIND to the ship's computer to bounce communications?
Far as drinking goes, they run on a liquid energon like your car does fuel. Trying to judge whwre a fuel tank is gonna end up in vehicle mode could be dicey, so why not put it the same place 98% of species put theirs: the mouth. Also, tbey are swntient beings, who play chess and sword fight and walk and talk and watch TV, a vehicle mode is a second utility. Its good for a lot of things, but can a Corvette fly a space shuttle? No. No way to manipulate the controls. So put the fuel tank on the primary form: the robot.
As to boring, I'm excited to meet more Cybertronians again, but one of the things I liked about MTMTE was its continuality, and now we're going (or seem to be)more toward contained, four book arcs with a pinchful of characters and the ship in the background
Also,lookslikeIneed tosacrifice apair of ENERGON Signal Flares now for aMainframe...
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #34 Discussion Thread
Posted by SW's SilverHammer Wed Oct 15, 2014 11:16 pm
Bender wrote: Nah, I'm trying to watch my input. I need plenty of wholesome nutritious alcohol. The chemical energy keeps my fuel cells charged.
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #34 Discussion Thread
Posted by Shuttershock Thu Oct 16, 2014 12:16 am
SW's SilverHammer wrote:I've Always been of the Opinion Transformers can operate by futurama rules.Bender wrote: Nah, I'm trying to watch my input. I need plenty of wholesome nutritious alcohol. The chemical energy keeps my fuel cells charged.
Well, Trailcutter certainly can't anymore.
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #34 Discussion Thread
Posted by ScottyP Fri Oct 17, 2014 10:04 am
Bounti76 wrote:The art is nice, but this story seems boring. Plus, I find it irritating that Transformers in IDW continuity seem to have too many human characteristics. First, they drink when they have no physical need for sustenance. They have gift shops on other planets. They write (and, one would assume, perform in) plays, to name a few. Then, in this issue, they use cell phones. ROBOTS...from an advanced alien civilization, haven't found a better way to communicate than using cell phones. Throw in the fact that they rarely transform, and it may as well be a series about an advanced human race that cosplays as robots.
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This is exactly why I like MTMTE and the more recent RID books. It's a smart approach. Likeable characters abound because they're actually something you can relate to. Cybertronians no longer so hung up in a Civil War that are having to adapt to a Galaxy that isn't just steel planets, star cruisers, and laser beams. Transforming when it makes sense and not just for the sake of it, like here, where First Aid's in a hurry so he doesn't just walk to go outside.
Idk man, if this stuff bugs you that much, it's probably just not your style. No big deal. RG1 might be more your speed, if you haven't checked it out yet.
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #34 Discussion Thread
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #34 Discussion Thread
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #34 Discussion Thread
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IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #34 Preview
Posted by Va'al Tue Oct 28, 2014 3:11 am
Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #34
James Roberts (w) • Atilio Rojo (a) • Brendan Cahill (c)
THE DILEMMA! On a planet dedicated to Right and Wrong, four damaged AUTOBOTS must make an impossible choice: kill or cure? Whatever they decide, their lives will never be the same.
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A character-intense prelude to next month’s ELEGANT CHAOS event!
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #34 Discussion Thread
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #34 Discussion Thread
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #34 Discussion Thread
Posted by Bounti76 Tue Oct 28, 2014 4:58 am
ScottyP wrote:Bounti76 wrote:The art is nice, but this story seems boring. Plus, I find it irritating that Transformers in IDW continuity seem to have too many human characteristics. First, they drink when they have no physical need for sustenance. They have gift shops on other planets. They write (and, one would assume, perform in) plays, to name a few. Then, in this issue, they use cell phones. ROBOTS...from an advanced alien civilization, haven't found a better way to communicate than using cell phones. Throw in the fact that they rarely transform, and it may as well be a series about an advanced human race that cosplays as robots.
End rant.
This is exactly why I like MTMTE and the more recent RID books. It's a smart approach. Likeable characters abound because they're actually something you can relate to. Cybertronians no longer so hung up in a Civil War that are having to adapt to a Galaxy that isn't just steel planets, star cruisers, and laser beams. Transforming when it makes sense and not just for the sake of it, like here, where First Aid's in a hurry so he doesn't just walk to go outside.
Idk man, if this stuff bugs you that much, it's probably just not your style. No big deal. RG1 might be more your speed, if you haven't checked it out yet.
I actually really loved RG1. It's the first comic I'd subscribed to since the original Marvel run in the 80s, albeit digitally. I should have explained better....I really enjoy IDW's take on G1, for the most part. I just feel they can have great characterization without resorting to human characteristics to make giant transforming robots more than just that. Like Thundercracker and Buster. Cute and relatable without making Thundercracker too "human". He's caring for a member of a species that is totally foreign to him, yet he's concerned about her welfare and knows she's fragile. The fact that they're Cybertronian and canine doesn't really matter, because care of beings important to oneself is a universal trait. Drinking liquids I can marginally accept (because they run on Energon), but a bar seems a VERY human concept, as does a gift shop (the shore leave they had on Temptoria). It just seems very silly that an advanced alien race would set up something so, ahem, alien to them.
I get that the IDW-verse isn't for everyone, and I can appreciate that. I just wish they'd cut the silliness to a minimum. The Circle of Light had it right when they called out the LL crew.
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #34 Discussion Thread
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #34 Discussion Thread
Posted by Nemesis Maximo Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:50 am

"So what's the deal with Megatron being the captain?"

"Didn't you hear about the trial? The trial of the zorn? The BIGGEST TRIAL IN THE HISTORY OF CYBERTRON SHORT OF AN AQUEATAS AFFAIR?"

"I'm sorry, have you been dead/in stasis lock/otherwise incapacitated for the last four-million years?"
Burn wrote:And this is for taking Nemesis Maximo seriously.
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #34 Discussion Thread
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #34 Discussion Thread
Posted by dragons Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:06 am
still waiting t ofind out who injured bot is
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #34 Discussion Thread
Posted by MagnusLabel Tue Oct 28, 2014 11:58 am
Nemesis Maximo wrote:I really wish they would get someone like Guido Guidi or James Raiz to sub for Milne. Their art styles are more varied and expressive, while Mr. Rojo's are just so...simple.
Mr. Guidi is a good choice, but "super messy details" Raiz is not really a choice to me, even when comparing to "not very good drawings under ultra messy textures" L.V.O.
Regarding to "round heads" Rojo, my only complain is...you guys may already know.
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #34 Discussion Thread
Posted by padfoo Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:27 pm
dragons wrote:is artist trying make bots more human? human smooth faces and now cellphone to be in contact with other bots what to tansrecievers in there heads with autobot transmiss frequency?
still waiting t ofind out who injured bot is
I agree cellphones and tablet like devices seem so ancient and inefficient.
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IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #34 Review
Posted by Va'al Wed Oct 29, 2014 4:37 am
(Spoiler free-ish)
Synopsis
THE DILEMMA! On a planet dedicated to Right and Wrong, four damaged AUTOBOTS must make an impossible choice: kill or cure? Whatever they decide, their lives will never be the same.

[iMake no mistake[/i]
Story
Last issue was a gigantic piece of everything happening, in quantum manners, with sonic wrenches, parallel timelines, lost loves rekindled, and purple-soaked betrayals. How does one issue later compare
or stand up to all that, with only four members of the main cast facing an impossible choice and maybe, just maybe, more impossible horrors?

Be happy in your work
Quite cleverly written, James Roberts' script uses the setting of the four Autobots on Ofsted XVII, and Trailcutter's new reading habits, as the frame for his journey into another type of past than Barber's in RID #34 - the origin of Megatron's ideology, body of work and cruelties he had to endure under the mind games of the functionists.

Be grateful for your alt mode
The two stories run quite nicely in parallel to each other, and easily distinguishable with the casts being so different as well as limited. And to keep them as relevant to each other as possible, the Megatron story has some very intriguing snippets from present day Trailcutter's current reading of 'Towards Peace', which somehow reflects onto the bots' situation, and the possibly dying Cybertronian in their care.

Be thankful for the system
What could've simply been a long flashback with some tenuous links to the present turns out to be a much more rounded story in multiple parts, bringing back some old ..er.. friends, from both the distant and the recent past. And thrown in for good measure are politics and some excellent world building, leading into the Days of Deception post-DC phase.
Art
Atilio Rojo takes over from Alex Milne for this issue's setting-up of what's to come in Elegant Chaos. While there are some potential issues with his more rounded style, given the two stories unravelling in the issue, I personally thought it really worked with the more personal themes and touches to Megatron's problematic situation, with some excellent layouts and body language in crucial scenes.

Be mindful of your betters
What really helped Rojo's linework, though, was regular Joana Lafuente's amazing use of colours throughout. Not only is the Decepticon purple used very appropriately in the background of key moments for all the cast involved, the contrast between Messatine and Ofsted XVII, with such limited environments to deal with, and what actually happens on them, is really brought out.

We're locked in
Remember I mentioned those 'key, crucial scenes' in this issue? You can imagine they mostly revolve around Megatron - but it's Tom B. Long's lettering wizardry that makes sure they drive home, and firmly lodge into your reading mind. To visually complete the whole ensemble, the two main covers (A by Brendan Cahill, B by Nick Roche and Josh Burcham) shed different lights on the story, while Ken Christiansen's Anniversary variant continues a great streak of homage pieces - see thumbnail.
Thoughts
Spoilerish ahead
Four Autobots relaxing on a planet dedicated to Ethics, and finding more they ever wanted to know about it, with dire consequences for some old friends. A miner struggling against a corrupt senate and segregated control system, and facing the nastiest, most intrusive part of it. What do they have in common? Great writing, one set-up issue, an unsettling last page and, obviously, more horrors ahead.

In truth, it is about control
As I claimed above, the issue is extremely well put together visually too, as we see Megatron's writing taking centre stage, quite literally, as story and art converge into it and use it as source for their progression and layouts. Make sure to pick this one up, as the stage is now wider than ever - just not where you thought they might be.
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Great issue
Posted by Tal El Wed Oct 29, 2014 7:17 am
But some questions do arise though...
1) Does this issue take place after Megs and crew reactivated the correct timeline or concurrent? Two of the bots on the planet arrived to the crew after take off, the other two were on board at the beginning.
2) Who is strong enough to beat down the mystery bot and his companion, and who's side are they on?
3) Timeline wise, at the end, was the Autobot symbol in use in the functionalist-strong society, and if so, would it have been so widely used already? I didn't think Pax's proclamation to the Senate had happened yet. But with Megs in the mine and his writings are now being distributed, maybe so.
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Re: Great issue
Posted by ScottyP Wed Oct 29, 2014 11:00 am
Tal El wrote:But some questions do arise though...
1) Does this issue take place after Megs and crew reactivated the correct timeline or concurrent? Two of the bots on the planet arrived to the crew after take off, the other two were on board at the beginning.
I saw this sort-of answered on Twitter by Mr. Roberts himself:
@jroberts332 wrote:“@pstinson42: So is all of #Transformers #MtMtE Season 2 taking place on one very eventful day? Not counting flashbacks?” More or less!
Link: https://twitter.com/jroberts332/status/ ... 9648698368
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #34 Discussion Thread
Posted by ScottyP Wed Oct 29, 2014 3:34 pm
So now that I've re-read this and stewed on it a bit, I've only got one theory, given the way Vos and Kaon were beat up so badly whereas they've looked dominantly powerful in every other appearance. (Spoiler tags on that last bit due to context clues.) Anyway, here's my theory:
Overlord is/was on Ofsted XVII and he's why the DJD had two guys down for the count.
I'm still fleshing out more detail to it, but it makes sense. Due to this, it's certainly incorrect. Roberts never fails to swerve in the most delicious ways.
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