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[ScottyP]

I just look at the DJD as having power creep plot armor for the time being, and we just saw the first chip in that during 34 as Vos and Helex were down for the count, at least temporarily.

They're Brock Lesnar 2014 ver. or Frieza after the Ginyu force is beaten. Eventually, they'll go down in some way and it'll be a big deal, but in the meantime when there are chances to make them look damn near invincible, take those chances to make the big deal a really Big Deal when it finally happens.

[ctrlFrequency]

What if brainstorm was a sleeper agent? And it was Megatrons arrival or a similar situation.

Also a good point. Who knows what they could have done with Shadowplay or even something along the lines of Skids' binary gun.

I just don't think (the more I think about it) that Brainstorm could be an outright traitor. Well, it's always possible, but there's too many possibilities, too many of them lead to something other than traitor.

We have one person's account, who, while credible, just witnessed everyone he cared about brutally massacred. He says traitor, but that might be just perspective (since there's been plenty of misdirection, we can't really take Rewind's words as positive truth, rather perspective from his point of view). Since Rewind doesn't know who tipped the DJD, you would automatically assume he'd consider anyone who purposely or inadvertently (in the case of sleeper agent or accident) uncloaked Overlord a traitor.
And that's why I dislike anyone automatically pronouncing Brainstorm a traitor. There absolutely no way to know for sure he is. Until they tell us, which I suspect is a long way down the road.

Of course this all ties in to the message Cybertron received after the Lost Light 'blew up'.

As for the DJD, my theory is they were able to overcome the numbers by skill and the Lost Light crew being unprepared and unorganized. No matter how skilled your individual warriors may be, the DJD were ready, the Lost Light crew weren't.

[ZeroWolf]

Thanks for getting what I was saying even when I worded it badly note to self: posting in a rush is bad.

I was thinking about this earlier. Brainstorm being a sleeper agent is very probable in this situation. For one thing look at where the decpticon badge was. He couldn't see it so why was it there unless it was there to prove a point by whoever got to him. There's also what Megatron implied, saying that nightbeat would of been more likely to be asked to betray the Autobots not brainstorm. Though that is ironic as nightbeat was a sleeper agent for the dead universe dwellers. There's also his very abrupt change of attitude last issue in the bar.

Now this could still be a fake out of some sort. There may of been clues to this from way back that we missed. But with a potentially evil/brainwashed brainstorm in the past I can't help but feel that maybe Roberts is going to make elegant chaos a love letter to Time Wars from the UK marvel run.

Though that's probably as far fetched as my brainstorm is a sleeper agent theory.

[ctrlFrequency]

Aww, it wasn't worded badly, it was very clear

[DarkEnergon]

I think this thing with Brainstorm comes all the way back to the Dead Universe somehow. Brainstorm saying "I can do whatever the hell I want" at then end doesn't sound like Brainstorm, in fact it sounds like Nova Prime!

And Brainstorm got zapped from a Nova Prime corpse before the Lost Light took off, and was "rendered undead." And Optimus and crew popped out of Brainstorm directly from the Dead Universe. So I swear, something's going on there.

[ZeroWolf]

Aww, it wasn't worded badly, it was very clear

Thanks

DarkEnergon@ I don't think it'll be the dead universe again, not so soon after dark Cybertron.

[Gekas]

Of course this all ties in to the message Cybertron received after the Lost Light 'blew up'.

What message are you referring to?

[ctrlFrequency]

Of course this all ties in to the message Cybertron received after the Lost Light 'blew up'.

What message are you referring to?

I think I remembered wrong, it may not have been Cybertron but the Lost Light that got the message.
The message from the future... The one where they say not to open the coffin and don't let them take Skids and a couple of other things (can't remember offhand but it was in MtMtE #1).
I think I may have to go back and look that up because my memory is failing me big time lately!

[SW's SilverHammer]

Of course this all ties in to the message Cybertron received after the Lost Light 'blew up'.

What message are you referring to?

I think I remembered wrong, it may not have been Cybertron but the Lost Light that got the message.
The message from the future... The one where they say not to open the coffin and don't let them take Skids and a couple of other things (can't remember offhand but it was in MtMtE #1).
I think I may have to go back and look that up because my memory is failing me big time lately!

In MTMTE #1 there was message to cybertron to prevent the launch of the lost light, however it was received after the Lost Light Launched, and not before when it was intended for.

[ctrlFrequency]

Of course this all ties in to the message Cybertron received after the Lost Light 'blew up'.

What message are you referring to?

I think I remembered wrong, it may not have been Cybertron but the Lost Light that got the message.
The message from the future... The one where they say not to open the coffin and don't let them take Skids and a couple of other things (can't remember offhand but it was in MtMtE #1).
I think I may have to go back and look that up because my memory is failing me big time lately!

In MTMTE #1 there was message to cybertron to prevent the launch of the lost light, however it was received after the Lost Light Launched, and not before when it was intended for.

Thanks for clearing that up! (old age is rally getting to me lately!)

[Gekas]

Of course this all ties in to the message Cybertron received after the Lost Light 'blew up'.

What message are you referring to?

I think I remembered wrong, it may not have been Cybertron but the Lost Light that got the message.
The message from the future... The one where they say not to open the coffin and don't let them take Skids and a couple of other things (can't remember offhand but it was in MtMtE #1).
I think I may have to go back and look that up because my memory is failing me big time lately!

In MTMTE #1 there was message to cybertron to prevent the launch of the lost light, however it was received after the Lost Light Launched, and not before when it was intended for.

Thanks for clearing that up! (old age is rally getting to me lately!)

So the message was from the guy who found out about the Sparkeater on board then, no?

I feel horrible, forgot the guys name, Blue something, but he said he went with Drift to buy the ship. Then he can read that hand language, so he went back to fight them over the whole incident. As a result he got his ass kicked and couldn't tell them about the Sparkeater.

I don't remember him saying he sent a message for them not to launch though......

[ZeroWolf]

Your thinking of riptide, but he wasn't the one who sent the message. In fact we don't know who sent it as it was obvious it was sent from the future.

Brain shot....what if it was the opening of Rodimus's coffin which activated sleeper agent brainstorm! Long shot I know. As to why well that's a good question but if time travel is involved then all bets are off.

[ctrlFrequency]

Brain shot....what if it was the opening of Rodimus's coffin which activated sleeper agent brainstorm! Long shot I know. As to why well that's a good question but if time travel is involved then all bets are off.

Entirely possible. We don't know why they said don't open the coffin. Though possibly it's opening the coffin that caused the continuity problems of the two ships, but the way Nautica worded it once she had figured out about the disappearing ships, it sounded like just having one Lost Light crew come in contact with something from the other Lost Light was enough to trigger the whole cosmic balancing out thing.

So why would they say don't open the coffin? It could be that it turns Brainstorm into a traitor.

[Gekas]

Brain shot....what if it was the opening of Rodimus's coffin which activated sleeper agent brainstorm! Long shot I know. As to why well that's a good question but if time travel is involved then all bets are off.

Entirely possible. We don't know why they said don't open the coffin. Though possibly it's opening the coffin that caused the continuity problems of the two ships, but the way Nautica worded it once she had figured out about the disappearing ships, it sounded like just having one Lost Light crew come in contact with something from the other Lost Light was enough to trigger the whole cosmic balancing out thing.

So why would they say don't open the coffin? It could be that it turns Brainstorm into a traitor.

I obviously need to re-read the issue, but I thought it was Megatron and Ultra Magnus telling people not to open the coffin because they weren't sure he was inside and if they were infected.

When they found the coffin was there a message playing saying not to open it?

Nautica was almost spot on, somethings were slowly disappearing from the Lost Light when the coffin was on board, but not that much. The disappearing phenomenon increased the moment they opened the coffin. At that point key individuals that were supposed to be "dead" found out about how one of them died in the "future". I mean I could be wrong, but it seems to make sense with how accelerated people started popping out of existence.

So since Riptide didn't send the message, then the only thing I can think of is a time traveling Brainstorm sent it. He might have been originally a spy, but slowly the Autobots grew on him and he made friends like Chromedome. After the whole Lost Light 1 + 2 incident, I think Brainstorm immediately figured out what happened, or knew this whole time and now knew for a fact that since he was back someone else figured out what happened as well. As a result he might have gone to the past to make sure the Lost Light is never sent into space, and in case that failed and everything went like normal he embedded a message to not open the coffin.

I'm probably extremely wrong, but with all the details that I understand as of now it's a possible outcome........

[ZeroWolf]

Ah I can see the problem the message was sent in the first issue of more than meets the eye.

[ctrlFrequency]

I obviously need to re-read the issue, but I thought it was Megatron and Ultra Magnus telling people not to open the coffin because they weren't sure he was inside and if they were infected.

When they found the coffin was there a message playing saying not to open it?

Nautica was almost spot on, somethings were slowly disappearing from the Lost Light when the coffin was on board, but not that much. The disappearing phenomenon increased the moment they opened the coffin. At that point key individuals that were supposed to be "dead" found out about how one of them died in the "future". I mean I could be wrong, but it seems to make sense with how accelerated people started popping out of existence.

So since Riptide didn't send the message, then the only thing I can think of is a time traveling Brainstorm sent it. He might have been originally a spy, but slowly the Autobots grew on him and he made friends like Chromedome. After the whole Lost Light 1 + 2 incident, I think Brainstorm immediately figured out what happened, or knew this whole time and now knew for a fact that since he was back someone else figured out what happened as well. As a result he might have gone to the past to make sure the Lost Light is never sent into space, and in case that failed and everything went like normal he embedded a message to not open the coffin.

I'm probably extremely wrong, but with all the details that I understand as of now it's a possible outcome........

The message and all that, as ZeroWolf said, is in MtMtE #1 (Liars A-D, how to say goodbye and mean it).

If I remember right, Mags and Megs were saying to not open the coffin when they found it, but someone else sent the message back in #1, so I don't think you're remembering wrong.

I have to go get my tablet and look up the old issues. They tend to reference the past a lot in this series, so... I continuously find myself having to reread everything from the past 3 years.

[ZeroWolf]

I think that's right, cause it's where Megs jokes about Rachet not being curious. I would hate for this arc to remove Megs from the Autobots this has been the best development he's had in years

[Gekas]

I think that's right, cause it's where Megs jokes about Rachet not being curious. I would hate for this arc to remove Megs from the Autobots this has been the best development he's had in years

I don't think it will. The whole time traveling part of it is a giant paradox. If Brainstorm is the one sending the messages from a different time then all his warnings failed. So him going to the past in this timeline should result in another failure, still leaving Megs on the Lost Light.

[ctrlFrequency]

I gotta agree, I don't think this is really about Megs in that sense, it is bigger than individuals.

[ZeroWolf]

I know just a bad feeling, but I'm still getting a sense of time wars and IDW like to make use of upcoming toys, one of which is armada Megatron...

I also get a feeling that this will Carry the theme of what Megatron was saying to rung in #28.

I'm unsure which arc I'm more excited for: Combiner Wars or Elegant Chaos. The former is going to be good for action and we get to see prowls further scheming. The latter is a complete mystery, there may not even be a big bad to defeat at the end of it.

[Gekas]

I know just a bad feeling, but I'm still getting a sense of time wars and IDW like to make use of upcoming toys, one of which is armada Megatron...

I also get a feeling that this will Carry the theme of what Megatron was saying to rung in #28.

I'm unsure which arc I'm more excited for: Combiner Wars or Elegant Chaos. The former is going to be good for action and we get to see prowls further scheming. The latter is a complete mystery, there may not even be a big bad to defeat at the end of it.

Speaking of Prowl, is it safe to assume he's somewhat under control by Bombshell still? The last issue he was telling someone to get out of his head, holding his own and having a facial expression that made him seem like in pain.

I mean combiner wars sounds really interesting and I know it will provide a lot of action, but personally I think Elegant Chaos will blow it out of the water. The story line is more intriguing than what's going on in Transformers(RiD).

Although I am wondering who will get to kill Spike, Prowl and the Constructicons or Galvatron and the Decepticons.

[SW's SilverHammer]

TRANSFORMERS MORE THAN MEETS EYE #36 DAYS OF DECEPTION
OUTLAWS! Before the war, Orion Pax was part of the Establishment-until a friend opened his eyes to the truth behind the lies and he vowed to overthrow the system. Now, it seems as if his newfound enemies are willing to go to any lengths to see him dead-even if it means waiting four million years...

Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #37—Days of Deception
DESPERATE MEASURES! Four million years ago, as CYBERTRON teetered on the brink of all-out war, a group of Autobots decided it was time to take matters into their own hands. Everyone concerned would subsequently agree that this was a very, very bad move..

Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #38—Days of Deception
JOURNEY'S END! Across time, across space, from prewar Messatine to postwar CYBERTRON—it's all been heading towards this—the moment when the fate of the AUTOBOTS and the DECEPTICONS is sealed. At the heart of it all: three killers, two outcomes... and one terrible, terrible choice.


I think Time travel's confirmed, and for lack of a better term the space time continuum is in prison, and Roberts called top bunk if you will.

[ZeroWolf]

In regards to prowl, I really hope not I much prefer him like this.

I agree with everything else you said.

As for February's issue three killers...is brainstorm one of them? Then who is the other two?

Argh so many questions!

[ctrlFrequency]

Speaking of Prowl, is it safe to assume he's somewhat under control by Bombshell still? The last issue he was telling someone to get out of his head, holding his own and having a facial expression that made him seem like in pain.

I'm pretty sure he was talking about the Constructicons (I gotta look at the scene but if I'm remembering that right, the constructicons were involved)

[Gekas]

Speaking of Prowl, is it safe to assume he's somewhat under control by Bombshell still? The last issue he was telling someone to get out of his head, holding his own and having a facial expression that made him seem like in pain.

I'm pretty sure he was talking about the Constructicons (I gotta look at the scene but if I'm remembering that right, the constructicons were involved)

Hmmmm I don't think so, they were just in the room with him. I doubt they'd be involved since they said they love the way Prowl thinks so much that they switch to the Autobots. I never would have seen that coming.

I'm so devastated, I can't read MMTE #35 for 8 more hours!!!!