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D-Maximus_Prime wrote:and he left Rewind alive on the other lost light, so it's possible he remember his old conjux endurae and let him live instead of killing him
DarkEnergon wrote:D-Maximus_Prime wrote:and he left Rewind alive on the other lost light, so it's possible he remember his old conjux endurae and let him live instead of killing him
but he would kill his brother...
Still, i'm liking the dominus theory. Think back to how much Tarn is about process, rules, regulations... just like minimus/magnus, hm?
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Dominus authored a work called The Ascetic Cybertronian, in which he wrote, "Pleasure is a distraction from pursuit of truth." It's never been shown if Dominus had hobbies, tarn has a few.
Well, when Ratchet asks Ten if he likes UM, Ten looks away and blushes. Hence, boycrush.Sagitta wrote:Why does it have to involve a crush? Makes it sound like IDW portraying itself as a robotic soap opera in all its titles.
If any crushes appears in "Sins of the Wreckers"...I lost all hope.![]()
Why can't it be just Ten in child-like awe looking up to his hero? Magnus/Minimus who's simply voicing support for Ten and his rights when Ten's unable t do so himself? Would be much more plausible IMHO.
So back to this one.Randomhero wrote:One error I actually noticed is nightbeat saying the Necrobot Is the oldest he's met yet he's met Alpha Trion- a thirteen-, Galvatron and nova prime. Not to mention Omega Supreme and a Titan, both of which were considered the oldest cybertronians in existence. Metroplex is believed to know the guiding hand and the Knights to which he won't speak of because the current generation is unworthy.
ScottyP wrote:So back to this one.Randomhero wrote:One error I actually noticed is nightbeat saying the Necrobot Is the oldest he's met yet he's met Alpha Trion- a thirteen-, Galvatron and nova prime. Not to mention Omega Supreme and a Titan, both of which were considered the oldest cybertronians in existence. Metroplex is believed to know the guiding hand and the Knights to which he won't speak of because the current generation is unworthy.
Turns out, this is very likely not an error after all.
I decided to re-read the entire series. Not in one sitting, mind you, just slowly over the next several months. Before bed last night I noticed something in Autocracy:
This was a lightbulb-going-off moment. Nightbeat remarks on how old Censere is because he mentions "The First War", and while Censere doesn't claim to have met the Knights of Cybertron, who I was reminded by the line above pre-date the 13 Primes, he knew someone that did claim to know them. This puts him around, especially given his origin of somewhere destroyed in "The First War", right about when the 13 would come about. Nightbeat does not know Alpha Trion's age as far as we know, since this wasn't brought up during their only encounter in Spotlight: Orion Pax, and does he even know he's met Metroplex? Metroplex would have been in city mode by the time Nightbeat returned from the Dead Universe at the end of Dark Cybertron, so maybe he knows he was there but he's never shown to communicate with him.
So, in short, this is just Nightbeat talking, yes, but it's also not a mistake from his point of view, and the little line in the picture here set off a chain of events in my head that, I think, prove this assertion.
Carry on as you were now, my little stream of consciousness post is over
Crosscheck wrote:Sagitta wrote:Why does it have to involve a crush? Makes it sound like IDW portraying itself as a robotic soap opera in all its titles.
If any crushes appears in "Sins of the Wreckers"...I lost all hope.![]()
Why can't it be just Ten in child-like awe looking up to his hero? Magnus/Minimus who's simply voicing support for Ten and his rights when Ten's unable t do so himself? Would be much more plausible IMHO.
Well, when Ratchet asks Ten if he likes UM, Ten looks away and blushes. Hence, boycrush.
SillySpringer wrote:It does make sence, but I like the classic concept more, but I guess that's just because I'm a Geewunner. :B
SillySpringer wrote:Yeah! I think it is a great breath of fresh air for Megatron to turn around for the better! It kinda reminds me of Megatron in the end of the Transformers Prime Beast Hunters Predacons Rising movie, when he kinda wanted to stop being a bad guy.
SillySpringer wrote:I think it's quite touching for him to consider Bumblebee as a friend after he died.
SW's SilverHammer wrote:
SW's SilverHammer wrote:
That Bot wrote:SillySpringer wrote:It does make sence, but I like the classic concept more, but I guess that's just because I'm a Geewunner. :BSillySpringer wrote:Yeah! I think it is a great breath of fresh air for Megatron to turn around for the better! It kinda reminds me of Megatron in the end of the Transformers Prime Beast Hunters Predacons Rising movie, when he kinda wanted to stop being a bad guy.SillySpringer wrote:I think it's quite touching for him to consider Bumblebee as a friend after he died.
You clearly DON'T like the classic concept more, and you are about the furthest thing from a Geewunner I've ever met. Rule 1 of Seibertron: know thyself.
Rodimus Prime wrote:I gotta start reading this series...Is this series getting better or worse as it goes on?
SW's SilverHammer wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:I gotta start reading this series...Is this series getting better or worse as it goes on?
it depends who you ask. I think it's pretty good. But you know me, i'm pretty up my own ass.
Rodimus Prime wrote:I gotta start reading this series...Is this series getting better or worse as it goes on?
SW's SilverHammer wrote:Well here's the thing, MTMTE is allot like Bioshock. Both are pretentious for their own benefit. They both come and go in and out of its own respective butt the whole way through. It also seems the closer we come to the climax/ending it's reaching the point of maximum "own butt" penetration. Both series wallow in abstract meta-narrative that doesn't really serve the essential plot. Both heavily fan wank to their audience. However to quote zero punctuation; If it isn't boring and gives us something to talk about then it can't be bad. MTMTE isn't bad; it's good, perhaps even great. "You see, sometimes it's kinda nice to be up somebody's butt if it's cosy and warm and they've put some interesting conversation pieces up there."
SillySpringer wrote:SW's SilverHammer wrote:Well here's the thing, MTMTE is allot like Bioshock. Both are pretentious for their own benefit. They both come and go in and out of its own respective butt the whole way through. It also seems the closer we come to the climax/ending it's reaching the point of maximum "own butt" penetration. Both series wallow in abstract meta-narrative that doesn't really serve the essential plot. Both heavily fan wank to their audience. However to quote zero punctuation; If it isn't boring and gives us something to talk about then it can't be bad. MTMTE isn't bad; it's good, perhaps even great. "You see, sometimes it's kinda nice to be up somebody's butt if it's cosy and warm and they've put some interesting conversation pieces up there."
Soooo... apparently you have an addiction of talking about butts...
SW's SilverHammer wrote:Well here's the thing, MTMTE is allot like Bioshock. Both are pretentious for their own benefit. They both come and go in and out of its own respective butt the whole way through. It also seems the closer we come to the climax/ending it's reaching the point of maximum "own butt" penetration. Both series wallow in abstract meta-narrative that doesn't really serve the essential plot. Both heavily fan wank to their audience. However to quote zero punctuation; If it isn't boring and gives us something to talk about then it can't be bad. MTMTE isn't bad; it's good, perhaps even great. "You see, sometimes it's kinda nice to be up somebody's butt if it's cosy and warm and they've put some interesting conversation pieces up there."
MrBlack wrote:I have some issue with calling it pretentious. James Roberts certainly is trying to be clever with the story, but he's perfectly willing to mock his own attempts at cleverness both in and out of the story. The self-importance I usually associate with pretentiousness just isn't there. At the very least, the fact that Roberts tends towards self-deprecation allows me to handle the pretentiousness better.
As for failing to serve the essential plot, I think that criticism misses the point of what the story is about. It's never been about finding the Knights. The quest itself is just a vehicle through which to explore the characters and their relationships. Roberts has done a pretty decent job of keeping the book on track in terms of having the characters trying to reach their goal, but the story is really about the crew rather than the quest. The characters themselves said as much in #22.
SillySpringer wrote:I got a bit mad at first, but it was such a touching concept I can't be mad anymore about that particular thing. Also, I said I was a CROSS between "G1 Fan" and "Geenunner". I am quite a Geewunner at times, but if they do something brilliant with a character or idea, I let it slide. I still don't like Ultra Magnus being dead.
That Bot wrote:SillySpringer wrote:I got a bit mad at first, but it was such a touching concept I can't be mad anymore about that particular thing. Also, I said I was a CROSS between "G1 Fan" and "Geenunner". I am quite a Geewunner at times, but if they do something brilliant with a character or idea, I let it slide. I still don't like Ultra Magnus being dead.
Disliking certain alternative interpretations does not make you a geewunner. Minimus Ambus is a radical departure from the classic Magnus concept and of course not everybody's going to like that. It doesn't make those people geewunners. Nobody self-identifies as a geewunner, to do so is to grossly misunderstand the connotations of the term. We have a few geewunners on this board, and they are readily apparent through their attitudes towards everything that isn't G1. You are not one of those people.
As far as pretentiousness of writing goes, I haven't found MTMTE to be particularly so, it's more the fans that are all "OMG THIS IS THE GREATEST TRANSFORMERS THING EVER WRITTEN PRAISE ROBERTS" and the people that are more "this is pointless drivel, Roberts is too self-centered to realize he's a bad writer."
(yes this post is EXTREMELY late, I fell behind on my board reading because of real life stuff and am slowly catching up)
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