1984forever wrote:Fact. You don't know how old Tailgate was when he fell in the hole.
Some Transformers have exhibited mature personality traits minutes after being created. Some like G1 Hot Rod act like teenagers. Others act like children, such as G1 Wheelie. It would have been seen as inappropriate if Wheelie replaced Springer as Arcee's "love" interest.
Tailgate has a childlike personality. I find it inappropriate for him to be in relationships with Transformers that are depicted as older and more mature.
Parents like myself may become concerned that their children don't fully understand metaphors. That misunderstanding could be bad for Hasbro during the holiday season.
ZeroWolf wrote:Okay I should of worded it better, he's from the same age of cybertron as cyclonus. I.e. nova prime era. Though I note you didn't say anything about him being older then getaway.
Also don't play the parent card, (I'm a dad of two myself as not everyone will see the same and in fact, the general populace won't care a about two genderless robots in a relationship, I am willing to also state you're in the minority of the readers to have this issue with...This. ...issue heh, should of worded that better.
Also if hasbro didn't like this content they would of stopped this long ago. I would have no problem with my kids reading this. Any darker themes I could talk to them about...plus I seriously doubt that any one will read this and immediately translate it as being okay for a child to be with an adult.
If you don't like the concept of highly intelligent humanoid bipedal machines forming their relationships free from gender barriers or even class barriers then just say so. Don't stretch things that really aren't an issue to justify yourself
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:A) Avatars can be females without that character believing they are female.
B) Roberts would not descend to Pedophile relations. This is a case of someone trying to steal someone else's best friend.
C) You are reading way too deep into this. Tailgate is not meant to be a baby. Nor are transformers depicted as being baby. Just freshly made and cast out, implying rapid acceleration to "adulthood"
Now please cut this crap out. Before you go off again on pedophiles, remember Hasbro would not let that sort of thing in a comic and look at all the violence that is condoned and used in these book, then come back and talk about the violence and how that is far more consistent than love stories
1984forever wrote:D-Maximus_Prime wrote:A) Avatars can be females without that character believing they are female.
B) Roberts would not descend to Pedophile relations. This is a case of someone trying to steal someone else's best friend.
C) You are reading way too deep into this. Tailgate is not meant to be a baby. Nor are transformers depicted as being baby. Just freshly made and cast out, implying rapid acceleration to "adulthood"
Now please cut this crap out. Before you go off again on pedophiles, remember Hasbro would not let that sort of thing in a comic and look at all the violence that is condoned and used in these book, then come back and talk about the violence and how that is far more consistent than love stories
Ok, let's talk about the robot violence issue it is less disturbing to people than a wildlife show where animals are ripped to gory shreds. Why? Because like animals, they're not human! Roberts is the one who introduced this level of over the top violence to the public anyway. Ripping out organs is ridiculous because robots are supposed to have mechanical parts. We should be seeing arcing, smoke and fire, not splatter. Eating brains is stupid because metal isn't edible. This is what happens when you stray too far from the source material. The public said the violence had reached a limit when the '86 movie was released, there was no need to take it any further than that.
I wonder if Milne bowed out of this issue to avoid controversy. This could prove to be career ending to some, and disastrous to the brand if someone commits a crime against a child claiming they were influenced by MTMTE.
it's not just the size. The size difference with Chromedome and Rewind was a little strange at first, but this is easily explained because we know that there are little dudes in Transformers. Then we see the same mismatch in height with Cyclonus/Getaway and Tailgate! Not only is Tailgate naive, but for reasons we can't agree upon, he is depicted as a baby by the holomatter generator. It makes me very suspicious of just what Roberts is trying to show here. It reminds me of the Decepticons with tongues that resemble sex organs in Kiss Players. What was going on there?D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Ok then, if that makes you uncomfortable, ok. that's your opinion.
We were just trying to point out that the size of the transformer should not affect that decision.
i feel that Roberts may be trying to convey how he feels about certain situations thru MTMTE. I wanted to know if there was some kind of message or cause being championed by the people behind Kiss Players. I want to know why a writer would feel the need to inject a degree of human sexuality into a toy line comprised of Transformable robots fighting a war?ZeroWolf wrote:The kiss players thing has got more to do with Japan itself. That however is a discussion for another thread as it has no bearing on this
1984forever wrote:i feel that Roberts may be trying to convey how he feels about certain situations thru MTMTE. I wanted to know if there was some kind of message or cause being championed by the people behind Kiss Players. I want to know why a writer would feel the need to inject a degree of human sexuality into a toy line comprised of Transformable robots fighting a war?ZeroWolf wrote:The kiss players thing has got more to do with Japan itself. That however is a discussion for another thread as it has no bearing on this
we now have a whole planet full of Fembots. Why has Roberts chosen to only show Male Transformers in relationships with other males who are half their size?ZeroWolf wrote:Adding relationships allows writers to do more development of the characters. It's been pointed out that there species reproduces in a completely different way. There is no agenda behind Roberts work. Despite how you see it, things don't fall that way.
1984forever wrote:we now have a whole planet full of Fembots. Why has Roberts chosen to only show Male Transformers in relationships with other males who are half their size?ZeroWolf wrote:Adding relationships allows writers to do more development of the characters. It's been pointed out that there species reproduces in a completely different way. There is no agenda behind Roberts work. Despite how you see it, things don't fall that way.
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