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I think there's something to this thought. There's something bigger, and possibly sinister going on outside of the DJD vs Lost Light/Megatron conflict and Optimus' crew vs. Galvatron's crew and Wreckers vs Anyone and Scott Starscream vs. The World, yet here these Transformers are, fighting among themselves. Like always. In the past, that messed up parts of the galaxy pretty badly, but maybe now, the galaxy's getting ready to fight back. All I can think of is MTMTE 34 where there's a space battle going on above Ofsted, and two of the sides fighting aren't Cybertroniangraham29 wrote:This is looking hopeless and the more I try to figure out how it might play out the less I have any idea of where it might go... And that bring my attention to the organics. "Nautica's checking on the organics." There have been little things here and there in the last few issues mentioning that gear symbol that seems on the back burner. Megatron decided to stay to protect them. We saw other pods recently. Censerre seems to have some connection to the operation. If he interfered with the message to the Lost Light, did he have time to contact anyone else? I'm really starting to wonder who ever they are could be on their way to check in their project and maybe that's the deus ex machina (HA!) this story clearly needs for the heroes to survive. And it seems like maybe it's time after fifty plus issues that the underlying quest start to come more to the forefront.
I accidentally just typed up something like that for Megatron in the Twincast 144 thread before I read this. Completely agreed on both points here. Megatron's decision here, while initially shocking, quickly made sense after giving it some thought. I found it consistent with his increasingly Zeta Gundam era Char Aznable-like nature. That is, he wants to find some absolution and atonement for his previous actions, but isn't quite prepared to actually do anything to get it at this point. He's cleaning up his act but still being selfish, and maybe this leads to him getting the justice that a lot of bots feel he deserves.DaRonin wrote:I don't think Megatron is afraid of the DJD. I see megatron as being like a reformed Alcoholic. But in this case, it got to the point where he was addicted to the violence, to the killing, he did it because it was the only answer, and it was the only way he could succeed, this is what he pretty much said back in 49. Until eventually, as in back in the Dark Cybertron series, he remembered there were other ways, and he finally, finally, after millions of years and countless deaths, got back on the wagon. The entire galaxy can hate him all it wants, but he's at last at peace with himself and trying to do something worthwhile that doesn't involve murder. And now, the only answer that exists once again is to kill, and It terrifies him to no end. I can see what Roberts was getting at with him Rejecting the Fusion Cannon and opting to stay under the shield. In fact, I'm pretty sure next issue he's going to point out he didn't expect to survive his meeting with Tarn, and it would have been easier if he didn't.
It will be interesting to see how Roberts writes Megatron next issue. Whether Megatron sticks with flight, or goes to fight, it's going to define him.
Also, I'm pretty sure Nightbeat is going to determine something massive underneath the surface of the planet to tip the scales next issue. We know next issue is where it ends, and 55 is the aftermath. So yeah, can't wait. I've enjoyed this arc immensely, I'm just worried about who is, and who isn't, making it out next issue.
I don't think the suggestion of 'get off the stuff and fight' is supposed to be the 'good side' of the discussion. As Counterpunch suggests, that is what a lot of people on medication do have to live with and struggle through, and the comics are reflecting that context (and we've seen how Rodimus just does not get sympathy in these cases, just look at MTMTE 53 with Chromedome - Rewind is spot on). Comments on Megatron's cowardice are more out of place, I feel, than using the themes in the story.
Unless, of course, there's a cop-out solution in #54-5-6 - cover for 55 would seem to say no, but y'know.
Dr Va'al wrote:Also copying through my Twincast comment, to echo these posts above:I don't think the suggestion of 'get off the stuff and fight' is supposed to be the 'good side' of the discussion. As Counterpunch suggests, that is what a lot of people on medication do have to live with and struggle through, and the comics are reflecting that context (and we've seen how Rodimus just does not get sympathy in these cases, just look at MTMTE 53 with Chromedome - Rewind is spot on). Comments on Megatron's cowardice are more out of place, I feel, than using the themes in the story.
Unless, of course, there's a cop-out solution in #54-5-6 - cover for 55 would seem to say no, but y'know.
Leonardo wrote:Take your lips off my pipe!
Ironhidensh wrote:Dr Va'al wrote:Also copying through my Twincast comment, to echo these posts above:I don't think the suggestion of 'get off the stuff and fight' is supposed to be the 'good side' of the discussion. As Counterpunch suggests, that is what a lot of people on medication do have to live with and struggle through, and the comics are reflecting that context (and we've seen how Rodimus just does not get sympathy in these cases, just look at MTMTE 53 with Chromedome - Rewind is spot on). Comments on Megatron's cowardice are more out of place, I feel, than using the themes in the story.
Unless, of course, there's a cop-out solution in #54-5-6 - cover for 55 would seem to say no, but y'know.
No. Megatron is being a coward. This is no longer a grey issue. It has become as black and white as black and white gets. It is literally a life or death issue and multiple lives are on the line. Megatron has the power to save them, but he is choosing not to because reasons. That is cowardly, and I have no sympathy or tolerance for it, real life or story. Life is a bitch, sometimes you have to rise above your personal issues and struggles, and man the **** up, no excuses. It sucks, but there you go. Life.
Megatron chose to run from the fight, to let othere die. In this senario, that makes him a coward.
There are times for dealing with your stuff, this isn't one of them.
Ironhidensh wrote:Dr Va'al wrote:Also copying through my Twincast comment, to echo these posts above:I don't think the suggestion of 'get off the stuff and fight' is supposed to be the 'good side' of the discussion. As Counterpunch suggests, that is what a lot of people on medication do have to live with and struggle through, and the comics are reflecting that context (and we've seen how Rodimus just does not get sympathy in these cases, just look at MTMTE 53 with Chromedome - Rewind is spot on). Comments on Megatron's cowardice are more out of place, I feel, than using the themes in the story.
Unless, of course, there's a cop-out solution in #54-5-6 - cover for 55 would seem to say no, but y'know.
No. Megatron is being a coward. This is no longer a grey issue. It has become as black and white as black and white gets. It is literally a life or death issue and multiple lives are on the line. Megatron has the power to save them, but he is choosing not to because reasons. That is cowardly, and I have no sympathy or tolerance for it, real life or story. Life is a bitch, sometimes you have to rise above your personal issues and struggles, and man the **** up, no excuses. It sucks, but there you go. Life.
Megatron chose to run from the fight, to let othere die. In this senario, that makes him a coward.
There are times for dealing with your stuff, this isn't one of them.
Dr Va'al wrote:Ironhidensh wrote:Dr Va'al wrote:Also copying through my Twincast comment, to echo these posts above:I don't think the suggestion of 'get off the stuff and fight' is supposed to be the 'good side' of the discussion. As Counterpunch suggests, that is what a lot of people on medication do have to live with and struggle through, and the comics are reflecting that context (and we've seen how Rodimus just does not get sympathy in these cases, just look at MTMTE 53 with Chromedome - Rewind is spot on). Comments on Megatron's cowardice are more out of place, I feel, than using the themes in the story.
Unless, of course, there's a cop-out solution in #54-5-6 - cover for 55 would seem to say no, but y'know.
No. Megatron is being a coward. This is no longer a grey issue. It has become as black and white as black and white gets. It is literally a life or death issue and multiple lives are on the line. Megatron has the power to save them, but he is choosing not to because reasons. That is cowardly, and I have no sympathy or tolerance for it, real life or story. Life is a bitch, sometimes you have to rise above your personal issues and struggles, and man the **** up, no excuses. It sucks, but there you go. Life.
Megatron chose to run from the fight, to let othere die. In this senario, that makes him a coward.
There are times for dealing with your stuff, this isn't one of them.
I could write a lengthy post listing the reasons why I disagree, but it would do nothing. So I'll just say that I disagree, strongly.
Leonardo wrote:Take your lips off my pipe!
Leonardo wrote:Take your lips off my pipe!
So are you saying you have no argument? You're just disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing? Just because your opinion differs from others' that doesn't make it invalid, so you should state it, and not just drop in passive-aggressive statements like you just did. If you truly believe it would do nothing, you shouldn't bring it up in the 1st place.Dr Va'al wrote:I could write a lengthy post listing the reasons why I disagree, but it would do nothing. So I'll just say that I disagree, strongly.
Rodimus Prime wrote:So are you saying you have no argument? You're just disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing? Just because your opinion differs from others' that doesn't make it invalid, so you should state it, and not just drop in passive-aggressive statements like you just did. If you truly believe it would do nothing, you shouldn't bring it up in the 1st place.Dr Va'al wrote:I could write a lengthy post listing the reasons why I disagree, but it would do nothing. So I'll just say that I disagree, strongly.
Yeah, a bit. Kinda like "You're wrong, but I'm not gonna tell you why!" That's why I said at least state some reasons. And maybe I was a bit harsh as well. I made the post at the end of a stressful workday, and I had some steam to blow off. Your post just happened to be the 1st I felt I should respond to. Sorry.Dr Va'al wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:So are you saying you have no argument? You're just disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing? Just because your opinion differs from others' that doesn't make it invalid, so you should state it, and not just drop in passive-aggressive statements like you just did. If you truly believe it would do nothing, you shouldn't bring it up in the 1st place.Dr Va'al wrote:I could write a lengthy post listing the reasons why I disagree, but it would do nothing. So I'll just say that I disagree, strongly.
Not the case at all: we're simply going to keep disagreeing as we have differing opinions on the matter. I don't want to get stuck in loop, so I just state that I disagree. I wasn't trying to be passive aggressive, I apologise if that's how it came across!
Dr Va'al wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:So are you saying you have no argument? You're just disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing? Just because your opinion differs from others' that doesn't make it invalid, so you should state it, and not just drop in passive-aggressive statements like you just did. If you truly believe it would do nothing, you shouldn't bring it up in the 1st place.Dr Va'al wrote:I could write a lengthy post listing the reasons why I disagree, but it would do nothing. So I'll just say that I disagree, strongly.
Not the case at all: we're simply going to keep disagreeing as we have differing opinions on the matter. I don't want to get stuck in loop, so I just state that I disagree. I wasn't trying to be passive aggressive, I apologise if that's how it came across!
Leonardo wrote:Take your lips off my pipe!
Ironhidensh wrote:Dr Va'al wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:So are you saying you have no argument? You're just disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing? Just because your opinion differs from others' that doesn't make it invalid, so you should state it, and not just drop in passive-aggressive statements like you just did. If you truly believe it would do nothing, you shouldn't bring it up in the 1st place.Dr Va'al wrote:I could write a lengthy post listing the reasons why I disagree, but it would do nothing. So I'll just say that I disagree, strongly.
Not the case at all: we're simply going to keep disagreeing as we have differing opinions on the matter. I don't want to get stuck in loop, so I just state that I disagree. I wasn't trying to be passive aggressive, I apologise if that's how it came across!
I would still like to hear your thoughts on it. You are one of the extremely few posters whose opinions I really respect. Who knows, maybe I'll like what you say. I'm not above changing my mind when presented with better ways. Also, discussion and friendly disagreement is fast becoming a lost art.
I believe the Autobots are just as responsible for being in this situation as Megatron is
It's not cowardice. It may be despicable, but using someone else for reaching your goal is not cowardice. It's cunning. The Autobots wanting Megatron to fight know that he can make a difference, and they want him to, otherwise the outcome of the battle has a high probability of being different. I can't fault the Autobots for wanting to survive at any cost.Dr Va'al wrote:Though not for the same reason that he points out: they are not responsible for accepting him, they are responsible because they are also a faction in a conflict that does not need to exist. They are not the 'good guys' (though Tarn's side is clearly - even if not clearly cut - much worse), and if the solution is to enable someone's illness for their own gain - how is that also not cowardice?
But that's not taking the high road. That's just trading damage from 1 part of the problem to the other. You either damage this person through their weaknesses, or cause damage somewhere else by prolonging the conflict which could be ended quicker by involving the person with the weaknesses. It's a no-win situation, you're just having to choose between magnitude of damage to 1 person and lesser damage to more people. This is the reason I can't clearly pick a side. Do I want Megatron to go all-out homicidal, like we know he can, to end the threat from the DJD and possibly save the Autobots, but sacrifice himself in the process? Or do I want him to stay away from that part of him and let the Autobots defend themselves? It would save Megatron, but most likely destroy the Autobots. How can I not expect Megatron to take an active role in correcting the problem (albeit a BIG problem) he caused in the 1st place, even it means his personal sacrifice? Tough decision.I would never force or coerce into a conflict someone whose involvement would have harmful repercussion on their own well-being, even if they were key to the resolution. I might try talking to them, but if they cannot, that's where it ends. It'll take longer, it'll be messier, but that's what happens unfortunately.
Dr Va'al wrote:a lot of really good stuff
Does that make any sense?
Leonardo wrote:Take your lips off my pipe!
Rodimus Prime wrote:Dr Va'al wrote:Though not for the same reason that he points out: they are not responsible for accepting him, they are responsible because they are also a faction in a conflict that does not need to exist. They are not the 'good guys' (though Tarn's side is clearly - even if not clearly cut - much worse), and if the solution is to enable someone's illness for their own gain - how is that also not cowardice?
It's not cowardice. It may be despicable, but using someone else for reaching your goal is not cowardice. It's cunning. The Autobots wanting Megatron to fight know that he can make a difference, and they want him to, otherwise the outcome of the battle has a high probability of being different. I can't fault the Autobots for wanting to survive at any cost.
Ironhidensh wrote:For instance (and I apologize if I step on your feelings here) if one of the roommates would have died because your friend didnt get involved then the sistuations would be the same.
If Grimlock showed up to save the day and beat the DJD, I would most likely cream my pants right then and there in the comic shop. Grimlock is my all-time favorite comic character.Mr Skram wrote:I reallly want the Scavengers to live up to their new creed of helping cons in need. Megatron being said (ex)con...They could unleash Grimlock and let him go to town. Plus they probably want the DJD gone as much/more than anyone considering their previous encounter.
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