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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Elephant in the room time!
Will HE be factored into this? IDWverse does love to pay homage to the past, good bits and bad...
Galactic Prime wrote:
You didn't type that with a straight face did you? Because the Dreamwave stuff was leagues better in every way, especially art.
What deems the characters to act a certain way? How about if they don't want people to expect them to act like their G1 incarnations then you don't draw them like them.
Randomhero wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Elephant in the room time!
Will HE be factored into this? IDWverse does love to pay homage to the past, good bits and bad...
Absolutely not and never should...
...but fun fact Primacron was mentioned in issue 2 of Stormbringer 12 years ago by Jetfire as a blasphemous curse word all the way back when Simon Furman was very adamant on Primus and Unicron not existing in IDW.
Randomhero wrote:Galactic Prime wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:Is there any point in giving you an example since you have already made up your mind? It would be like someone trying to tell me the virtues of the dreamwave series, wouldnt matter a dot, it is inferior in every way.
You didn't type that with a straight face did you? Because the Dreamwave stuff was leagues better in every way, especially art.
But yes, an example of what someone liked would be nice, that is the point of a discussion thread. Instead all you hear is, THIS IS GREAT, when it simply isn't.ZeroWolf wrote:Instead why do you feel the characters have to act as certain way? New continuities in transformers is nothing new, and that's what idw is, a new continuity. It never pretended to be a replacement for the g1 toon and comic, they are still there. If you don't like it fine, but there are those of us who aren't going in to idw expecting it to tread old ground that's already well worn. What would be the point? Seeing megatron be more evil? Seen it. A thousand times seen it. Megatron struggling with his conscience? That's new, gimme more of that. Let the characters go beyond their bios, let them grow and develop. Let them question their alligances, commitment to their cause. Worse comes to worse you don't have to support them, but at least agree to disagree with those that do support them.
What deems the characters to act a certain way? How about if they don't want people to expect them to act like their G1 incarnations then you don't draw them like them.
That's why. The characters have very unique personalities in G1 that make them very interesting, moreso than what they've done with them in IDW. Everyone acts the same in these books, they're all back stabbing betraying murderous asshats.
The only interesting characters they've had they kill off or hardly use.
the art was better huh?
also i hate to break it to you but the characters in G1 have several different personalities depending on your fiction.
in the cartoon Prowl was a soldier and all around good guy. In the marvel he was sometimes cold and logical and did everything based on number, his toy bio reflected that. IDW based prowl off his toy and marvel bio.
Shockwave was originally depicted as a cold being who only believed in logic. Marvel IDW even somewhat of DW did it, cartoon? hes megatrons butler.
Soundwave in the cartoon is Megatrons most loyal soldier. in marvel comics and toy hes depicted as someone whos always listening to dig up dirt and blackmail anyone to benefit himself. IDW merged all the charcteristics.
Grimlock. Cartoon he and the dinobots are idiots and are nothing but muscle to the autobots and by season three were borderline mentally challanged and comic relief. EVERY other depiction has then being bad boys that are actually smart, ruthless tough guys who break rules once in a while becuase they dont agree with orders.
i hate to break it to you but IDW for the most part has been more faithful to characters than most fiction. the Cartoon ignored most of their characters backgrounds that were all created by Bob Budianski unless they got an individual episode about them but immediately after were forgotten.
but lets also go back to better art shall we?
squat post where limbs are not actually attached to the bodies
squat pose
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/File:G1_Vol.1_Issue2_1.jpg
squat pose bumblebees feet are bigger than his body. also whats going on with cliffjumpers feet behid bee? they literally floating infront of his body
http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/images2/7/77/G1_Vol.1_Issue3_1.jpg
squat pose again just look at Bumblebee. jesus...and look at prime. what is even going on here?
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/File:G1_Vol.2_Issue1_1.jpg
lets take a look at this piece of interior by supposedly the president and founder of Dreamwave Pat lee. i say supposedly because its Pat Lee and he was having artists draw the comics and putting name on the books.
Optimus has three tires on one side and 2 on another and theyre not even located where tires on a truck would be.
Yup? much superior art from 16 years ago than what we get now.
KorsO wrote:Galactic Prime wrote:
You didn't type that with a straight face did you? Because the Dreamwave stuff was leagues better in every way, especially art.
What deems the characters to act a certain way? How about if they don't want people to expect them to act like their G1 incarnations then you don't draw them like them.
Yup Ej Su's fresh representation of the TF's are the "Crappiest" (your words). DreamWave is Leagues better in every way, Especially art eh?![]()
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Rigghhtttt.
Thank you for revealing your level of crap interpretation of Good Art & story. Have never dissed anyone's opinion on these boards before.
But glad you gave me an effortless reason to Officially & literally not take your posts seriously & not pay it any courtesy. hehea
Ps: Oh and also you've been dissing other's opinions aplenty of late as well.
Galactic Prime wrote:Look stop being a tool, where did I say lacking realism? No where. EJ Su is a crappy artist, look at the bot mods, TERRIBLE. Nothing compared to Don's Dreamwave work.
Counterpunch wrote:Galactic Prime wrote:Look stop being a tool, where did I say lacking realism? No where. EJ Su is a crappy artist, look at the bot mods, TERRIBLE. Nothing compared to Don's Dreamwave work.
Well...your opinion is wrong. Everyone else can see that.![]()
I'm looking forward to seeing how this Unicron event brings everything to a close. Rarely do we get the opportunity for a planned, total closure to a TF story.
I hope they make the most of it.
Galactic Prime wrote:
Look stop being a tool, where did I say lacking realism? No where. EJ Su is a crappy artist, look at the bot mods, TERRIBLE. Nothing compared to Don's Dreamwave work.
KorsO wrote:Galactic Prime wrote:
Look stop being a tool, where did I say lacking realism? No where. EJ Su is a crappy artist, look at the bot mods, TERRIBLE. Nothing compared to Don's Dreamwave work.
LoL ... the term Realism from the images is the one bothering you now is it?![]()
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my goodness.
Ok, will make it more clearer in your words Mr Tool Sir![]()
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Don DREAMWAVE's work? Are you kidding me buddy... The guy LOATHED big time trying to avoid his then Dreamwave boss, mr Pat superstar Lee's 'In-House art Style' instruction to make the bots look a certain aesthetic; puffy & bloated. Why do you think his designs looked semi bloated (refer War Within image below)?
Even then, you can see he subtly tried going against Pat's instructions in his style. Its all over the web man, in Don's own words. Look it up (if your not lazy that is.. lol).
Dont get me wrong. Don's the mannn... in fact I dare say his (along with Guido) Dreamwave run (albeit puffy & much less puffy towards DW G1 season 3), played a huge factor in keeping Dreamwave moving before its untimely demise.
Don & Su are in a class of their own, none better than the other. Instead both hugely complements one another in between '-ations', Stormbringer, Spotlight Optimus, etc...which in turn complement IDW's visual representation as a whole followed by all artist more or less feeding off each others design to keep with visual continuity.
^ Don's continued awesomeness with free creative reign with no In House Puffy Dramwave crap instruction in IDW.
Ej Su's bot modes are Terrible & Crappy? Are you like ... Blind man?![]()
lol
Dude's like THE Guy who reinvigorated TF's art direction for IDW man.
Meticulous & Obvious care on proportion, scale, kibble placement & functionality, updated sensible vehicle mode to reflect the times/era, etc2, all whilst still staying true with clear updated homage to all their G1 incarnation.
Lol.. if still insist on it being "crap" (which is totally Beyond the opposite - FACT), then well, thats Too Bad for you buddy to have to put up with IDW since Oct 2005 onwards until today
Glad your disgruntled bout it... hehe.
PS: Apologies to all admins & posters for the image heavy post. Will not post in similar fashion for a while.
Galactic Prime wrote:
Yup, 100% EJ sucks, can't even stand looking at that ****. Don's Dreamwave stuff is amazing, his IDW stuff is amazing, until the Ongoing started and then he decided to go all Michael Bay **** style.
KorsO wrote:Galactic Prime wrote:
Yup, 100% EJ sucks, can't even stand looking at that ****. Don's Dreamwave stuff is amazing, his IDW stuff is amazing, until the Ongoing started and then he decided to go all Michael Bay **** style.
Lol.. Yup, then that's a 1000% solid Fact confirmation your visual judgement & preference Sucks balls buddy.
Damn lucky, Thank goodness these comic publishing houses doesn't have you or anyone similar deciding on the art direction..hehea.
Thank you for spending years of personal time & money on all of IDW comic runs btw![]()
**Never imagined it was possible to come across someone worse & deluded than Bay.![]()
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Galactic Prime wrote:KorsO wrote:Galactic Prime wrote:
Yup, 100% EJ sucks, can't even stand looking at that ****. Don's Dreamwave stuff is amazing, his IDW stuff is amazing, until the Ongoing started and then he decided to go all Michael Bay **** style.
Lol.. Yup, then that's a 1000% solid Fact confirmation your visual judgement & preference Sucks balls buddy.
Damn lucky, Thank goodness these comic publishing houses doesn't have you or anyone similar deciding on the art direction..hehea.
Thank you for spending years of personal time & money on all of IDW comic runs btw![]()
**Never imagined it was possible to come across someone worse & deluded than Bay.![]()
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I think the only ball sucking here, is done by you.
Look at this garbage
https://livioramondelli.deviantart.com/ ... -449056320
or this
https://guidoguidi.deviantart.com/art/T ... -416040063
or this
https://art.alphacoders.com/arts/view/71816
And that's just some of their worst offenders.
You're the one who clearly doesn't know what good art is
ZeroWolf wrote:He wasn't much of an equaliser when he shown up on armada and energonhe was more of the...final boss fight.
You know how Rodimus Prime is a Space Winnebago? Well...Counterpunch wrote:I'm looking forward to seeing how this Unicron event brings everything to a close. Rarely do we get the opportunity for a planned, total closure to a TF story.
I hope they make the most of it.
I think it's time for Space SpringebagoVa'al wrote:Some Roche art teasing.
KorsO wrote:Galactic Prime wrote:KorsO wrote:Galactic Prime wrote:
Yup, 100% EJ sucks, can't even stand looking at that ****. Don's Dreamwave stuff is amazing, his IDW stuff is amazing, until the Ongoing started and then he decided to go all Michael Bay **** style.
Lol.. Yup, then that's a 1000% solid Fact confirmation your visual judgement & preference Sucks balls buddy.
Damn lucky, Thank goodness these comic publishing houses doesn't have you or anyone similar deciding on the art direction..hehea.
Thank you for spending years of personal time & money on all of IDW comic runs btw![]()
**Never imagined it was possible to come across someone worse & deluded than Bay.![]()
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I think the only ball sucking here, is done by you.
Look at this garbage
https://livioramondelli.deviantart.com/ ... -449056320
or this
https://guidoguidi.deviantart.com/art/T ... -416040063
or this
https://art.alphacoders.com/arts/view/71816
And that's just some of their worst offenders.
You're the one who clearly doesn't know what good art is
Lol, Unbelievable. Those are stellar variety of art styles. Livio's, very quirky stylized but has a cinematic charm to it. & Guido. Well GUido is Guido. Hit & misses. Good or bad, dude's a TF Hall of Famer. Plus he did mentioned hes championing the early TF Marvel comic styles. Heads up already given.
The only art that I am not a fan of is Wildman's. Even so, unlike you, Im not petty enough to call (or actually sincerely think) that its garbage. I just effortlessly avoid it.
No harm no foul. Done. Easy.
Still happy i bought the Mentzen, Flint & Livio Autocracy, Monstrocity & Primacy series.
Calling it garbage on a fan runned Tf board over and over and over and over sure is a Big boy Legit move there dreamwave boy.
If it bugs you so much to the point of whining & repeating your empty insults on these boards, why not go straight to the source?
Simon, James, Barber, Ej, Livio, Guido all have twitters buddy. And are constantly daily active as well.
The artists all have Intagram, Tumblr & Deviant art pages too. You can easily throw your 'Garbage' remarks there & have an immediate reply from the source authors.
Why not just do that Big boy? Too busy enjoying the self ball sucking too much?
ScottyP wrote:You know how Rodimus Prime is a Space Winnebago? Well...Counterpunch wrote:I'm looking forward to seeing how this Unicron event brings everything to a close. Rarely do we get the opportunity for a planned, total closure to a TF story.
I hope they make the most of it.I think it's time for Space SpringebagoVa'al wrote:Some Roche art teasing.![]()
Really though, Springer will probably get the Armada Starscream ending out of all of this, but that's fine and feels appropriate.
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