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Re: IDW Transformers: Unicron Mini-Series Thread

Postby Skritz » Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:46 pm

Well that was a big **** which, to me anyway, ended as a big pile of rushed nothing and empty nonsense. A wet fart of an ending. Sue me.
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Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:57 pm

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I worked on that review for a good while, trying to articulate thoughts. Slide really wasn't good, and the character deaths were many, but most were killing the remnants of a war that looks to finally be gone.

Also, the spirits of the dead page was lacking Starscream and Stormclash, which are pretty big misses considering Scattershot and the Clones were apparently in there. Starscream could be deliberate though
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Re: IDW Transformers: Unicron Mini-Series Thread

Postby Coptur » Thu Nov 15, 2018 2:47 am

what happened to Va'al?
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Re: IDW Transformers: Unicron Mini-Series Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Thu Nov 15, 2018 2:59 am

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Coptur wrote:what happened to Va'al?

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Re: IDW Transformers: Unicron Mini-Series Thread

Postby Sunstar » Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:51 am

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As a Starscream fan, who is usually disappointed in how his inevitable end is handled, I was pleased he went out with honour and as a hero. I was surprised he would sacrifice himself in that manner, yet not surprised. I know that he loves his world and his people - I was happy he did not shy away from the responsibility that was thrusted upon him. I guess he was indeed the chosen one, the saviour of Cybertronians. I agree his scene was rather short and felt a little lacking. But at least he died with an impish smile, as opposed to terror. I know he was at peace with the decision. The bitchy character, Slide I guess it was, had too much - this I also agree with. I am glad Thundercracker was reunited with buster.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Also, the spirits of the dead page was lacking Starscream and Stormclash, which are pretty big misses considering Scattershot and the Clones were apparently in there. Starscream could be deliberate though


I was disappointed in the lack of Starscream there. I wondered if the talisman obliterated his spark.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Unicron Mini-Series Thread

Postby YoungPrime » Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:27 am

Daniel Adkins wrote:Anyone who says LL has a better ending than this book is crazy.

Or anyone who feels it necessary to even make this a topic is likely a bitter, annoying, troll.

By right a modern IDW-verse book about UNICRON should be better BUT because majority of Barber's cast in this book and OP are so darn annoying I haven't bothered reading a single Unicon book yet. Whereas with LL I've bought both the physical and digital copy of each of the last 10 issues and miss that series already.

A book about 2nd, 3rd and 4th tier characters that has become memorable that you desperately have to force take a back seat to a book staring OP, BB, Starscream and many other A-lister's speaks for itself!

The main reason that I'm eventually going to read Barbers remaining books is in hopes that it properly ties in with the LL.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Unicron Mini-Series Thread

Postby Stormshot_Prime » Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:39 am

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YoungPrime wrote:
Daniel Adkins wrote:Anyone who says LL has a better ending than this book is crazy.


The main reason that I'm eventually going to read Barbers remaining books is in hopes that it properly ties in with the LL.


Don’t get your hopes up on that one. Besides homages and brief visions the series kind of end on a weirdly separate note, as if everyone in both series forgot their friends.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Unicron Mini-Series Thread

Postby Cyberstrike » Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:33 am

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Skritz wrote:Well that was a big **** which, to me anyway, ended as a big pile of rushed nothing and empty nonsense. A wet fart of an ending. Sue me.


Maybe because the creators involved didn't want to write or draw it, because it supposedly means the end of a 13 year old comic book universe because some trolls didn't like it or wanted to see it end, because they just hate filled trolls, and now they got their wish.

So yeah I wouldn't give my time and energy to give a great book under those conditions either.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Unicron Mini-Series Thread

Postby Big Grim » Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:06 pm

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Honestly, I felt very little during this book. Only Thundercracker and Skywarp's moment had me happy. The rest was just....there I guess. Honestly, I miss Lost Light more than I miss the Optimus Prime series and Unicron.

Ah well. To each, their own.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Unicron Mini-Series Thread

Postby snavej » Thu Nov 15, 2018 2:38 pm

For once, this issue showed one picture of the area where I work. 'Action Men' were fighting in King's Cross, Central London. It's about 1 KM from my place of work! :D
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Re: IDW Transformers: Unicron Mini-Series Thread

Postby Coptur » Thu Nov 15, 2018 3:57 pm

Cyberstrike wrote:
Skritz wrote:Well that was a big **** which, to me anyway, ended as a big pile of rushed nothing and empty nonsense. A wet fart of an ending. Sue me.


Maybe because the creators involved didn't want to write or draw it, because it supposedly means the end of a 13 year old comic book universe because some trolls didn't like it or wanted to see it end, because they just hate filled trolls, and now they got their wish.

So yeah I wouldn't give my time and energy to give a great book under those conditions either.

Or they're just outspoken people that just want to read good stories and not social justice point scoring. The poor sales have spoken for themselves.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Unicron Mini-Series Thread

Postby o.supreme » Thu Nov 15, 2018 4:19 pm

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Whether you like the end, or not, one thing we can agree on it was a good run. 13 years, nearly double Marvel's length and 5X as many books printed in that time.

Personally I was never a fan of MTMTE/LL, but I know it had it's fans. And if your sad its over...I'll tell you what all the LL fans told me when lamenting about the loss of more traditional TF comics -You'll always have this, nobody can take it away from you. My favorite period was probably from AHM up until before the split between MTMTE & RiD. In the past 6 or so years, there have been some glimpses of greatness, but there have been some things I really didn't care for as well.

At this point, as far as I'm aware, we have no idea what the new TF series will look or feel like. Honestly though, after the communication I got from IDW today, I'm not so sure there will be any TF series, at least not for a while.

For those worried it may be even a more radical departure, I sympathize, but a t least I don't feel any obligation to purchase it. For those fearing it may go back to something more old fashioned and thus "boring" all I can say is:

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Re: IDW Transformers: Unicron Mini-Series Thread

Postby Flashwave » Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:43 pm

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I will say this: anyone trying to compare LL's finale to this is missing the whole point of one or both books.

This felt like a Transformers ending, with a big climactic (gimmicky) battle and a happy ever after. Lost Light wasn't that, but it wasn't SUPPOSED to be that. Its a Buddy Comedy t
With Robot Hijinx, this was flippin' UNICRON coming to kill us all. I think I liked this better overall as an ending to its own stpry, but most of my gripes with LL was how that stpry was edited and displayed.

I really liked Prime's confrontation with the Creator at the end. That gelt like a Prime way to do it and paid homage to what the Magrix did in the movie that made sense wand was still kinda its own thing. The stpry was busy, and I definately need to go back and reread it boq that I am not being interuppted at work, but in the end enjoyable. Part of me wanted this to be it. The End. Last Book, turn out the light. I'm nervous at what is still to bmcome in OP 25. An Epilogue? Not sure we need one. A chapter begore Unicron 1? Tired of backpedaling. What more can be offered by the story, unless it ties Prowl into the last book of Lost Light, but again, do qe need that? We'll see
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Re: IDW Transformers: Unicron Mini-Series Thread

Postby Z3ROhour » Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:23 pm

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YoungPrime wrote:
Daniel Adkins wrote:Anyone who says LL has a better ending than this book is crazy.

Or anyone who feels it necessary to even make this a topic is likely a bitter, annoying, troll.

By right a modern IDW-verse book about UNICRON should be better BUT because majority of Barber's cast in this book and OP are so darn annoying I haven't bothered reading a single Unicon book yet. Whereas with LL I've bought both the physical and digital copy of each of the last 10 issues and miss that series already.

A book about 2nd, 3rd and 4th tier characters that has become memorable that you desperately have to force take a back seat to a book staring OP, BB, Starscream and many other A-lister's speaks for itself!

The main reason that I'm eventually going to read Barbers remaining books is in hopes that it properly ties in with the LL.

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they tried too hard too cover too much.

but thats mostly because of the roller-coaster collapse of the Hasblow-Verse.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Unicron Mini-Series Thread

Postby Sunstar » Sat Nov 17, 2018 10:12 am

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Just one comment, I'll spoiler shroud it, something which is unclear to me...

When Skywarp takes the sword for Thundercracker, he was saying to take the talisman and go, but thunder remained behind. what confuses me Skywarp is saying "but we're Seekers" as if there was an omitted line of text that would make it make sense. Can anyone clarify it for me? I've sat staring at that page for 30 minutes last nihgt trying to decide how it should be read.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Unicron Mini-Series Thread

Postby Flashwave » Sat Nov 17, 2018 11:05 am

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Sunstar wrote:Just one comment, I'll spoiler shroud it, something which is unclear to me...

When Skywarp takes the sword for Thundercracker, he was saying to take the talisman and go, but thunder remained behind. what confuses me Skywarp is saying "but we're Seekers" as if there was an omitted line of text that would make it make sense. Can anyone clarify it for me? I've sat staring at that page for 30 minutes last nihgt trying to decide how it should be read.

That line is Thundercracker's. Its, "But we're seekers, we dont leave a brother behind
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Re: IDW Transformers: Unicron Mini-Series Thread

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Sat Nov 17, 2018 1:54 pm

Returning once more from ..beyond, this book arrived today. Positives? The size of the book was quite impressive. I read the previous review and largely agree with it. My own take, having not really been a follower of Robert's or Barber's series previously, instead focuses on the matter at hand objectively.

This book was called Transformers: Unicron. He should have been the star. After 13 years of IDWverse, in light of such interesting reimaginings as Overlord and Thunderwing, my curiosity was piqued as to what new and exciting direction they could take him. He wasn't exactly a character with a whole lot of depth previously. Ultimately we have potentially the most hollow and superficial Unicron to date. The reimaginings previously noted, I realised, were from a different time in the life cycle of IDWverse. Wherein the series was more faithful to the essence of its source material while still not afraid to take risks. I would have liked to see what might have been with -Ations era Unicron. Now any chance of something creative being done with Unicron rests in the New continuity.

Removed from the context of OP/LL, based purely as a standalone mini series, this fell completely flat to me. The premise squandered and the action lost to incoherent visual narrative throughout.
The finale itself didn't really amount to anything in the end and there was nothing within to elevate it from utter mediocrity (although the ridiculously trite 'love conquers' message, did cause a chuckle and have me roll my eyes at least). Much like the book as a whole. 4/10
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Re: IDW Transformers: Unicron Mini-Series Thread

Postby Sunstar » Sat Nov 17, 2018 5:47 pm

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Flashwave wrote:
Sunstar wrote:Just one comment, I'll spoiler shroud it, something which is unclear to me...

When Skywarp takes the sword for Thundercracker, he was saying to take the talisman and go, but thunder remained behind. what confuses me Skywarp is saying "but we're Seekers" as if there was an omitted line of text that would make it make sense. Can anyone clarify it for me? I've sat staring at that page for 30 minutes last nihgt trying to decide how it should be read.

That line is Thundercracker's. Its, "But we're seekers, we dont leave a brother behind


thanks, Okay, but that makes sense.

edit: went back and barely noticed a bit of blue - I originally thought that was Skywarp. That's what happens when you've been sick for two days and kinda out of it.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Unicron Mini-Series Thread

Postby partholon » Sun Nov 18, 2018 5:49 pm

well its all over.

thank god.

13yrs to come up with a unicron story and THAT was it. i cant believe this is the same writer that did the first 12 issues of "robots in disguise" way back when. his effort doenst even stack up as a coherent story in comparison to previous unicron stories- and im including the armada animated show here.

utter utter meandering trash that oddly acts as a nice exemplar to where these books have gone sooooo wrong the last 2 yrs or so (but to be honest prob has its origins way back to when furman got in that fight with scott)

characters NO one likes or cares about to the fore- who oftimes bring the action SCREAMING to a stop (Slide im looking at you) , an overt political agenda the audience likes even LESS, and an almost full on attack on the heroic journey and mythos the fecking IDW tranformers universe ITSELF was based on.

Seriously just look at the sandbox IDW was left with post furman and look at what theyve done with it.

so many story possibilies have been shut down by the deconstructive nature of
recent tales. in fact IDW seemed to be going out of their WAY to destroy stuff.

not to mention the absolute vandalism thats gone on with Megs and Op. just look at the former in the first story arc of inflitration and try not to cringe at how he's played out in Lost Lights conclusion, and the less said about stalin prime the better.

in fact thats a word that can be applied alot here. CRINGE. How we went from a story about a galaxy wide imperium covertly conquering worlds with characters that could literally kill entire planets , to one about fat lesbian chicks getting off with trans robots is beyond me but here we are.

im not surprised theres no word on a new book yet.

i dont think IDW have the culture to produce one that the broad readership want to read anymore.

the only one in this whole affair i feel sorry for is alex milne.

that lad gave his bloody ALL on the art front.

such a sad end to what was the best conceived iteration of this franchise.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Unicron Mini-Series Thread

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Sun Nov 18, 2018 9:24 pm

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partholon wrote:well its all over.

thank god.

13yrs to come up with a unicron story and THAT was it. i cant believe this is the same writer that did the first 12 issues of "robots in disguise" way back when. his effort doenst even stack up as a coherent story in comparison to previous unicron stories- and im including the armada animated show here.

I can agree with you here, compared to past work, it feels like the end really didn't fit the beginning. It wasn't horrible, but it wasn't his best.
utter utter meandering trash that oddly acts as a nice exemplar to where these books have gone sooooo wrong the last 2 yrs or so (but to be honest prob has its origins way back to when furman got in that fight with scott)

What?
characters NO one likes or cares about to the fore- who oftimes bring the action SCREAMING to a stop (Slide im looking at you) , an overt political agenda the audience likes even LESS, and an almost full on attack on the heroic journey and mythos the fecking IDW tranformers universe ITSELF was based on.

It's not really about characters no one likes and cares about, Lost Light proved you can use C-list characters and make a really good book, but this side of the IDW-verse made me like several C-list characters less than LL.
Seriously just look at the sandbox IDW was left with post furman and look at what theyve done with it.

so many story possibilies have been shut down by the deconstructive nature of
recent tales. in fact IDW seemed to be going out of their WAY to destroy stuff.

I still argue that they ended up with mostly good stories. There were many ways they could have gone, but I was mostly satisfied with the routes they took
not to mention the absolute vandalism thats gone on with Megs and Op. just look at the former in the first story arc of inflitration and try not to cringe at how he's played out in Lost Lights conclusion, and the less said about stalin prime the better.

I personally think that while this is probably one of if not the best Megatron we have gotten, I did not like what they did with Optimus too much. Did not like that path they took.
in fact thats a word that can be applied alot here. CRINGE. How we went from a story about a galaxy wide imperium covertly conquering worlds with characters that could literally kill entire planets , to one about fat lesbian chicks getting off with trans robots is beyond me but here we are.

Now see, I was OK with talking with you until this point, because there was some legitimate and good conversation happening. But this is uncalled for. there were better ways to state your dislike, such as simply naming a character, instead of resorting to this sort of language.
im not surprised theres no word on a new book yet.


i dont think IDW have the culture to produce one that the broad readership want to read anymore.[/quote]
They still have the rights, and they are still giving us some decent material for different things, but for a new "G1" based universe, there may be a simple wait involved.
the only one in this whole affair i feel sorry for is alex milne.

that lad gave his bloody ALL on the art front.

I agree, Milne has proven himself to be spectacular time and again.
such a sad end to what was the best conceived iteration of this franchise.

I will also agree that the ending didn't really fit into what the 14 year universe deserved. But I will talk about that more once OP25 comes out this week.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Unicron Mini-Series Thread

Postby Burn » Sun Nov 18, 2018 9:29 pm

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partholon wrote:How we went from a story about a galaxy wide imperium covertly conquering worlds with characters that could literally kill entire planets , to one about fat lesbian chicks getting off with trans robots is beyond me but here we are.

I would suggest that if you intend to continue posting on these forums you have a read of the rules, and learn how to voice your opinion without coming off so disrespectfully.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Unicron Mini-Series Thread

Postby Coptur » Mon Nov 19, 2018 7:01 am

I agree with what most of partholon said i just think emotions got the better of them.
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