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If Megatron was frozen in ice for centuries...

1.
How does he speak English right away?
Was he passively receiving an Internet signal? In the Hoover Dam?

2.
Why is it that halfway through the film, we find out that Megatron is hellbent on "transforming Earth's technology"?
When he landed, there would have been no tech to transform, right?

3.
For that matter, why does the focus shift from "claiming the Cube" to "killing all humans"?
Why would humans figure into the equation at all?

4.
Exactly what part of stroking Megatron's thumb turns on his laser navigation projector?

5.
What precisely would Megatron have done with the Cube anyway?
The power inside it doesn't seem controllable (e.g., Mountaindewtron).

Foolish questions from a foolish fleshing, I know.
But I always wondered what the consensus answer is.
Any ideas?

1. I think he was alive conscious when he was in Hoover Dam, and because of all the tests, learned more about technology, learned their languages, and hated the humans.
2. I dunno. that's what he does. cause he's evil.
3. megatron wants to use the cube to create armies and rule the universe. He would've eventually killed them, but was really pissed after being experimented on for years.
4. I don't know man. prime strokes his ear to do that. megs just prefers his thumb.
5. Create an army, rule the universe. get powered up. the cube is like life and death stuff. super powerful, you don't mess with someone with power like that.

1.What Jazzz said
2. He only came to Earth to get the cube, and after he became unfrozen there was all this technology to use. It's like picking up a gun and when you wake up there are bullets everywhere.
3.Megatron hates weakness, he see's the humans as soft, squishy, and not worth living.
4.No idea
5.What Ratchet said, use it to create an army and rule the universe.

I'm not even going to attempt to answer all these. But I will say it just goes to show you how many plotholes exist in the movie. Those 6 questions are just a small fraction of all the questions the movie left. It told a story, it did a good job, but it left out a lot of the fine details. I'm still trying to figure out why Barricade was driving to the "final battle" and decided to play hookie!

I think the problem is they were so focused on integrating the humans into the movie and creating a plausible story for the humans, that the whole transformers storyline got kinda pushed to the side. I like the movie, but it definitly is far from perfect. Its kind of like the best car ever made, without a paintjob. Or the best computer ever built, but its buitl into a cheap $20 computer case. Or....well I could go on forever.

Micheal Bay's good at action but I swear all of his movies have plot holes you could drive a Mack truck through! See "the Island" for other examples.

1. Megatron was actually consience(spelling?)when he was frozen, he just listened to the human conversasions over the years.

2.The basics of his plan are the same, he just has different things to work with. Think of it this way, say you wanted to own a certain BMW model when you were a little kid, now your grown and there are so many better, advanced models that you just find the most recent one you want.
In other words, Megatron wanted the cube to rule the universe, he found it on Earth, technically making it the first world to take over since he is there already. By the time he is thawed out, there is Earth technology that he can control with the cube to sieze the planet for him

3.Human are on Earth, collateral damage.

4.plot, I guess. or that's how he is designed, like jazz has magnets in his hands

5. Good question. Prime wanted it in his chest, Bumblebee can make it more compact by touching it, so I guess Megatron has some unique way for it to work in his system.

Also I think he wanted to kill all humans, cos they ripped parts of him as he was frozen, to make todays technology, as was said in the movie. Wouldn't you be mad if little critters came and removed body parts from you and experimented on you?

Dead Metal wrote:Also I think he wanted to kill all humans, cos they ripped parts of him as he was frozen, to make todays technology, as was said in the movie. Wouldn't you be mad if little critters came and removed body parts from you and experimented on you?

I agree i think the was the main motivation of megatron when he got out... to wreck everything in sight these little bugs (humans) had.

Ya know, I have to say this to know one specific, but I have to vent.

PEOPLE ARE TAKING THIS MOVIE WAAAAAY TO SERIOUSLY.

Sorry.

And just because Megs is frozen doesn't mean he can't intercept signals.

He probably wanted to bring Earth's machines to life to help him take over Cybertron/Destroy the Autobots.

Dead Metal wrote:Also I think he wanted to kill all humans, cos they ripped parts of him as he was frozen, to make todays technology, as was said in the movie. Wouldn't you be mad if little critters came and removed body parts from you and experimented on you?

Sounds logical, cap'n.
That plus the passive interception of signals, I suppose.

And yes, Eradicator, some people take the movie way too seriously.
If I was going to get nitpicky, I'd start in on the rather forced jokes about the government and all that.
I'd even go so far as to point out that the Transformers are too big for their alt-modes.

But I'm not doing that.

Because the only questions I had were about Megatron's knowledge and motivations.
I just wanted to know what was going through the mind of the supremely eeeeeeeeevil Decepticon Master.

And now I know.

(why not hand on chin smilie working?)

The only one I thought was a tad too big was Bumblebee.

Oh well.

1. I always figured he was wide awake, paralyzed and bored out of his fricken mind. After enough exposure to a language, you start to pick up on it even if you have other things to do. And since he didn't have anything else to do, much less anything better to do...

2. How long does it take to take a look at a situation and realize 'hey, I could use this'? I figure Megatron's the type of dude who can figure out how to take advantage of pretty much any situation.

3. I'd be a TEENY bit honked off too if I had to spend Primus knows how long freezing my exhaust pipe off while being poked and prodded by little bitty bugs who acted like they owned me. And with his Unicron-sized ego, you can bet that being referred to as NBE-01 all the time just drove him crackers. I know I'd hate it. You think that's bad, in the prequel comic they referred to him as Megaman for a while. *insert long string of Cybertronian expletives here*

4. Maybe Megatron decided to do that at that point, for lack of any better ideas on his part. Record the cube's location so maybe at least ONE of the Decepticons might find it. It probably made very little difference what the human was doing at that point. In his defense, he probably wasn't fully conscious yet at that point.

5. The Cube's power doesn't seem controllable? Not by a human, anyway! Bumblebee seemed to have no problem getting it to turn smaller. And Frenzy didn't have a problem with it either. No, I'm willing to bet that it probably isn't meant to interact with organic life. At all.

4) In regards to the whole "thumb-NAV" thing - I seem to recall (don't ask me where though!) that TFs draw energy from ambient sources (ie: local environment, background EM, etc) so perhaps when Capt. Whitwickty touched Megs, the tiny amount of energy available from his body heat, nervous sytem, etc may have been JUST enough for Megs to record the cubes location b4 lapsing back into stasis lock??

1.
How does he speak English right away?
Was he passively receiving an Internet signal? In the Hoover Dam?

He can't receive signals inside Hoover Dam. It's precisely why Megs was put in there. He learned English from the janitor who keeps on talking to himself while mopping the NBE-1 chamber at night. That explains why Megs' vocabulary is so limited.

2.
Why is it that halfway through the film, we find out that Megatron is hellbent on "transforming Earth's technology"?
When he landed, there would have been no tech to transform, right?

He originally wants to transform the dinosaurs. But later abandoned the idea when he wakes up and saw all the shiny new cars and planes.
Later on, in the sequel, the Autobots will pick up Megs' original idea, and you-know-who is born.

3.
For that matter, why does the focus shift from "claiming the Cube" to "killing all humans"?
Why would humans figure into the equation at all?

He was pissed when Sam keeps on running around, and he can't catch him. (Despite hitting his head several times in the concrete floors and beams.) Killing all humans will be his revenge.

4.
Exactly what part of stroking Megatron's thumb turns on his laser navigation projector?

I don't think that's his thumb. More like his... boner.

5.
What precisely would Megatron have done with the Cube anyway?
The power inside it doesn't seem controllable (e.g., Mountaindewtron).

It's just a trophy. He always savor seeing the Autobots defeated in anyway possible. No matter how small and trivial the case may be.


It's a Bay movie. You just got to think outside the box.

ROTFLMAO!
Good ones, Auto.

Auto Bot wrote:2.
Why is it that halfway through the film, we find out that Megatron is hellbent on "transforming Earth's technology"?
When he landed, there would have been no tech to transform, right?

He originally wants to transform the dinosaurs. But later abandoned the idea when he wakes up and saw all the shiny new cars and planes.
Later on, in the sequel, the Autobots will pick up Megs' original idea, and you-know-who is born.

Except he landed quite a while AFTER the dinosaurs.... quite a couple of million years actually.

Like i said, think outside the box. It's a Bay movie.

Realism is always a stretch beyond reality.

Rocketeer wrote:If Megatron was frozen in ice for centuries...

1.
How does he speak English right away?
Was he passively receiving an Internet signal? In the Hoover Dam?

2.
Why is it that halfway through the film, we find out that Megatron is hellbent on "transforming Earth's technology"?
When he landed, there would have been no tech to transform, right?

3.
For that matter, why does the focus shift from "claiming the Cube" to "killing all humans"?
Why would humans figure into the equation at all?

4.
Exactly what part of stroking Megatron's thumb turns on his laser navigation projector?

5.
What precisely would Megatron have done with the Cube anyway?
The power inside it doesn't seem controllable (e.g., Mountaindewtron).

Foolish questions from a foolish fleshing, I know.
But I always wondered what the consensus answer is.
Any ideas?

Answer to all five: A wizard did it.

1. Ever considered the Movie Prequel? If you've read it *SPOILER WARNING* you will find out he HAD gotten free from his Icy prison and was being Transported to somehwere (i forget, but think it was Hoover Dam) While the Humans were blasting him he probably quickly scanned them so he could use there Language.

2. Again, Movie Prequel. He probably saw some Trucks and thought they would make "good" soldiers.

3. Maybe he had abit of Conciousness still inside him while in the Giant ice Cube, Wouldn't you be ticked off if you spent Primus knows how long in ice and everyone Kept calling you "Ice Man" or "Mega Man" or even worse... "N.B.E-1"

4- Thats like asking, "why those Optimus toouch his Ear to make Holograms of the Past" IT'S SIMPLY THERE!

5- He could of kept it as a Souvvenier. or harnessed the power to make a Weapon and start Blasting the Be-Primus out of the Autobots. Besides,..Megatron may be Primes OLDER brother and knows more about the Allspark thsn he does. (and that probably explains why he likes to pick on Bumblebee and Prime.)

Theres your answers...PUNY HUMAN GERM!

Scan a car. Scan a book. Scan a plane. Ok.

But how in Primus's name can you "scan" a language? And a complete set of vocabulary and grammars at that, in a span of minutes?

Auto Bot wrote:Scan a car. Scan a book. Scan a plane. Ok.

But how in Primus's name can you "scan" a language? And a complete set of vocabulary and grammars at that, in a span of minutes?

Books are language to a certain extent it is just written language so if that was the case then that's just as easy as scanning a car but megatron never spoke to witwicky in the ice cavern in the movie it was established however before the movie came out that megatron was aware of his surroundings at all times when he was reactivated and was even a part of the internet on a subconscious level so that's how he picked up and knows the language.

If we had to hear clicks and whirrrs and reading subtitles to understand such sounds it would get rather old fast and it would feel much LESS of a characterization of each robot than we already got...the voice is what I identify with when it comes to dealing with CGI characters.

***Galvatron*** wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:Scan a car. Scan a book. Scan a plane. Ok.

But how in Primus's name can you "scan" a language? And a complete set of vocabulary and grammars at that, in a span of minutes?

Books are language to a certain extent it is just written language so if that was the case then that's just as easy as scanning a car but megatron never spoke to witwicky in the ice cavern in the movie it was established however before the movie came out that megatron was aware of his surroundings at all times when he was reactivated and was even a part of the internet on a subconscious level after he was moved to the Hoover dam so that's how he picked up and knows the language.

If we had to hear clicks and whirrrs and reading subtitles to understand such sounds it would get rather old fast and it would feel much LESS of a characterization of each robot than we already got...the voice is what I identify with when it comes to dealing with CGI characters.

If he's conscious during "stasis" mode, and to add to that - have access to internet, he should have used the decades of his ultra alien processing power to do something about his situation.

Auto Bot wrote:If he's conscious during "stasis" mode, and to add to that - have access to internet, he should have used the decades of his ultra alien processing power to do something about his situation.

As I said he was "aware" of his surroundings on a subconscious level not having control over one's environment in the physical world however.

If you have an actual fire in your house during the night and your unconscious mind picks up on the heat and smoke and try's to wake you or perform actions in a dream revolved around the real world fire it doesn't mean you will have the ability to wake up physically...there may be nothing you can do about it.

His computing power will not help him if he's physically immobilized.

Curiously, I actually have exactly that kind of experience some years back. There was a fire nearby. Not in the house yet, but dangerously close. Somehow, my subconscious mind became aware of it while i was in deep sleep, and "forced" my body to wake up instantly.

I'm a really deep sleeper. Normally, my family members will take a good amount of time and effort to wake me up in the morning. Usually, they'd drag me out of bed, prop me up several times, before i can wake up. And all that time, i was never aware of any of it. Not a hint of the dragging and propping up. Loud noises during the twilight zone can hardly have any effect on my sleep. I'm as good as dead till morning.

But during that fire incident, i was the first to wake up. (Around 2am to 3 am) I was puzzled for a moment upon waking. Took me a few seconds to notice the orange glow out the window. I got everybody up, and out of the house. But luckily, the fire was put under control before it can touch the house.

Hmm.. Megatron should have done something.

Oh yeah, i'm still a deep sleeper till now. I have to use 3 loud alarm clocks(the ones with big double bells), timed 15 minutes apart, to try to wake me up in a span of half an hour. I'm often late for work.

There were also a few other incidents that also caused me to wake up on my own. One was attempted burglary; another is faucet in the bathroom left open.

Weird. But somehow, it's like a protection.

It's the exact opposite for me...I do crash after work frequenyly, very stressful job but at night I'm awake at the slightest noise usually.